Spotlight on pot penalties caught PMís attention


Praxius
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Spotlight on pot penalties caught PM (external - login to view)

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OTTAWA ó Media reports that some pot growers will face harsher mandatory-minimum sentences than child rapists under the Conservative governmentís new crime bill were enough to catch the attention of Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

A request by The Canadian Press for cabinet records on the controversial omnibus crime legislation turned up a single document ó much of it blacked out under a broad, discretionary exemption in the Access to Information Act.

The Oct. 11, 2011, "memorandum for the prime minister" says its purpose was to inform Harper about the controversial sentencing provisions "in light of recent criticism in the media."

And the memo, marked "secret," ends by stating that "additional analysis would be required if potential amendment proposals are deemed needed."

Bill C-10, the omnibus crime bill, is currently being studied by the Conservative-dominated Senate, where Justice Minister Rob Nicholson has confirmed some flaws will be corrected.

But those government amendments relate to specific measures on suing state sponsors of terrorism. There is no indication the government is open to altering the billís mandatory minimums.

Asked whether there are any amendments to Bill C-10ís sentencing provisions, Nicholsonís office responded by email: "This new legislation ensures any form of child sexual abuse will mean jail time."

About half the one-page memorandum to Harper obtained under the access law is blacked out using sweeping exemptions that cover "advice or recommendations" and "an account of consultations or deliberations."

After the redacted paragraphs, the briefing note resumes with a point that Nicholson made last week at Senate hearings into the crime bill: "The maximum penalty for serious drug offences under Bill C-10 is comparable to that for child sexual assault."

The memorandum followed two weeks of media reports sparked when a Vancouver Province columnist highlighted a little-noticed oddity in the massive Conservative crime bill, which combines nine separate pieces of legislation.

In his column, Ethan Baron wrote that under the new law, someone convicted of "growing 201 pot plants in a rental unit would receive a longer mandatory sentence than someone who rapes a toddler or forces a five-year-old to have sex with an animal."

The column also noted that the six-month mandatory minimum for growing as few as six marijuana plants for the purpose of trafficking is twice the minimum sentence for luring a child to watch pornography or exposing oneself on a playground.

As Senate hearings on Bill C-10 opened last week on Parliament Hill, the first question Nicholson faced at the committee hearing concerned the disparity between minimum sentences for pot growers and pedophiles.

"Whatís the underlying principle that determines the length of those mandatory minimums?" asked Liberal Sen. Joan Fraser.

Nicholson did not provide a direct response.

"Itís important to point out that thereís a wide range of discretion that is given to the court to have a look at this, to gauge the seriousness of the individual crime ó and again, all of these are despicable," said the minister.

Fraser pressed him on whether there exists "a formula, a grid, a set of guidelines to establish what mandatory minimums would be appropriate in different circumstances?"

"It seems to me that any sexual offence against a child is more serious than growing six pot plants," added Fraser.

Again, rather than responding directly, Nicholson told Fraser that drug traffickers are "people who are in the business of destroying other peopleís lives ó and I think we send a very clear message that this will not be tolerated."

What a crock of sh*t..... sorry, but I think screwing with a child and messing the rest of their lives up is far worse than someone growing a couple of pot plants that make them eat a bag of chips. How that magically translates to someone destroying their lives in a worse fashion than diddling a child, I'd sure like to know, because as it's explained right now, they sure have one screwed up perspective on these matters.

..... and discuss
 
lone wolf
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Here's the prescribed list of payments and schedules....

Marijuana - Backgrounder
 
Cliffy
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What this means is that a cure for cancer will never be available to the public without great risk. Harper is the criminal in this case and I'm sure his friends in Big Pharma have donated to his retirement fund rather handsomely. Once again our wannabe Yanky PM sh!ts on Canadians.
 
damngrumpy
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#4
This is nuts plain and simple. Within a decade the damn stuff will be legal and people
will have had their live ruined in order for a bunch of ex Reform has been's to have their
day. The new prisons being built will be full of petty criminals and pot smokers while the
child molesters, rapists and God knows what else will not spend as much time in prison
because their sentences are lighter and there will be overcrowding in prisons.
When will people learn that ensuring there is a strong economy and jobs is the answer to
diminished crime stats. Oh I forgot education is also an enhancement, not because there
is less drug use among the rich, but because they can afford better lawyers.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

This is nuts plain and simple. Within a decade the damn stuff will be legal and people
will have had their live ruined in order for a bunch of ex Reform has been's to have their
day. The new prisons being built will be full of petty criminals and pot smokers while the
child molesters, rapists and God knows what else will not spend as much time in prison
because their sentences are lighter and there will be overcrowding in prisons.
When will people learn that ensuring there is a strong economy and jobs is the answer to
diminished crime stats. Oh I forgot education is also an enhancement, not because there
is less drug use among the rich, but because they can afford better lawyers.


  • Anyone found in possession of 15 grams or less of marijuana -- about 15 to 20 joints -- will be given a fine instead of criminal prosecution. Youths could face fines of up to $100 for possession, while adults could be fined up to $150.
  • Possession of one gram or less of cannabis resin would be punishable by a fine of $300 for an adult and $200 for a youth.
  • The fines for up to 15 grams of marijuana or one gram of cannabis resin are increased to $250 for youth and $400 for adults in cases where "aggravating factors" exist. Those include possession while driving or while on school property.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

This is nuts plain and simple. Within a decade the damn stuff will be legal and people
will have had their live ruined in order for a bunch of ex Reform has been's to have their
day. The new prisons being built will be full of petty criminals and pot smokers while the
child molesters, rapists and God knows what else will not spend as much time in prison
because their sentences are lighter and there will be overcrowding in prisons.
When will people learn that ensuring there is a strong economy and jobs is the answer to
diminished crime stats. Oh I forgot education is also an enhancement, not because there
is less drug use among the rich, but because they can afford better lawyers.

So with construction of this new prison near Oliver, there should be very little unemployment in the Okanagan, so the amount of mischief being committed will be at a minimum hence when the prison is built they won't be anyone to fill it.
 
damngrumpy
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Actually no, the governments will need residents to occupy the inside of the prison
so any number of minor offenses will require jail time. We don't need a vacancy rate.
Oliver will be a great site for a prison, the real reason is Oliver is getting stuck with it
because its on Native land and the community can't stop it. Every other community
has declined the offer. It is the not in my back yard thing you know
 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

  • Anyone found in possession of 15 grams or less of marijuana -- about 15 to 20 joints -- will be given a fine instead of criminal prosecution. Youths could face fines of up to $100 for possession, while adults could be fined up to $150.
  • Possession of one gram or less of cannabis resin would be punishable by a fine of $300 for an adult and $200 for a youth.
  • The fines for up to 15 grams of marijuana or one gram of cannabis resin are increased to $250 for youth and $400 for adults in cases where "aggravating factors" exist. Those include possession while driving or while on school property.


Thank God I never got fined $400 for every gram of hashish I had on the school grounds....I'd still be paying!!!

lol

The current attitude towards dope smoking is completely crazy..........

Legalization is the answer.
 
L Gilbert
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

Actually no, the governments will need residents to occupy the inside of the prison
so any number of minor offenses will require jail time. We don't need a vacancy rate.
Oliver will be a great site for a prison, the real reason is Oliver is getting stuck with it
because its on Native land and the community can't stop it. Every other community
has declined the offer. It is the not in my back yard thing you know

Stuck with it? Sorry, DG but the FNs there are ok with the new prison:

Osoyoos Band site picked for new Okanagan jail - British Columbia - CBC News

harpy's off his nut.
 
JLM
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

Actually no, the governments will need residents to occupy the inside of the prison
so any number of minor offenses will require jail time. We don't need a vacancy rate.
Oliver will be a great site for a prison, the real reason is Oliver is getting stuck with it
because its on Native land and the community can't stop it. Every other community
has declined the offer. It is the not in my back yard thing you know

It sure would have given Lumby (and Vernon) a shot in the arm, but half the people around Lumby didn't want it!!!!!!!!!!!
 
taxslave
+1
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by PraxiusView Post

Spotlight on pot penalties caught PM (external - login to view)



What a crock of sh*t..... sorry, but I think screwing with a child and messing the rest of their lives up is far worse than someone growing a couple of pot plants that make them eat a bag of chips. How that magically translates to someone destroying their lives in a worse fashion than diddling a child, I'd sure like to know, because as it's explained right now, they sure have one screwed up perspective on these matters.

..... and discuss

But everyone knows that smoking a joint will instantly make you an insane socialist voting heroin addicted child raping murderer. Didn't you ever watch Reefer Madness?

Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

It sure would have given Lumby (and Vernon) a shot in the arm, but half the people around Lumby didn't want it!!!!!!!!!!!

That's odd. It would have been much handier for visitations.
 

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