Fighting Has No Place in Hockey


Spade
#1
Governor General says fighting has no place in hockey - Politics - CBC News

Finally, a voice of reason from the government.
 
Cliffy
#2
Didn't they try to ban fighting in hockey back in the seventies and the fans stayed away in droves. Blood on the ice is the glue that holds this gladiator sport together.
Last edited by Cliffy; Jan 27th, 2012 at 07:56 AM..
 
jjaycee98
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Governor General says fighting has no place in hockey - Politics - CBC News

Finally, a voice of reason from the government.

Lots of fights happening in Football also. Even the basketball guys are trading punches. Seems to be just following a general trend in society to more violence, and less respect for others.
 
Spade
+2
#4  Top Rated Post
The staged fights between players is a blight on the sport. Concussion central...
 
talloola
+2
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

The staged fights between players is a blight on the sport. Concussion central...

I hate the staged fights too, they look very tacky, and make the game look the same.

The spontaneous fights, come quickly and finish quickly, and I do understand how they start,
but there are too many fights now, because of a 'clean' body check, and the players have to
stop doing that, not sure why that started, never use to happen.
I can see it happening sometimes when a star player, or a small player is hit very hard by
another player, but good body checking shouldn't bring that on from either the hittee or another
player on his team.
There are only a handful of people who would go to hockey to see bloodshed, and if they spend all
of that money to see just that, most of the time they will be dissapointed, as most fights are
very short, with no bloodshed, a bit of bloodshed from a bloody nose, from an
arrant stick, (accident), but all in all, not much blood over the long hall.
I watch many games a week, see some bloodshed, hardly any from fights.
Some of the worst bloodshed is from 'freak' accidents, and if anyone is going to
games to see that, then they must look in the mirror, for it is they who have
a problem.

The concussion information at the forefront now should make all of them take notice of fighting,
because just as they are doing so well suspending players for 'head' shots, they stand there
and watch them punch each other in the head, when fighting. I do understand that most of those
punches are not nearly the impact of hitting one's head on the boards, but it does make us sit
and watch hitting to the head, so doesn't fit in with todays protocol.

I like women's hockey too, but I would always watch the NHL men's game far ahead
of the women's game. My daughters played competetive hockey for years, at a high
level, played many times against boys teams, it was great, loved it, but at the
same time all of our family followed the NHL closely, and loved that too.

The game is so much more difficult with body checking, and everything they have
to accomplish is more difficult when they have to be aware all the time, and
prepare themselves, and protect themselves, and they love it that way, it is their
game, and who are we to tell them how to play it.
The head shots are being addressed, and brenden shanahan is doing a great job, as
we speak ovetchkin is sitting out 3 games for leaving his feet, hitting to the
head of another player. No injury, but the intent was there, so he is paying for
it, and if he does it again, he will pay 'more' for it.
Last edited by talloola; Jan 27th, 2012 at 01:38 PM..
 
Spade
#6
Our national passtime. Makes one proud.

Unbelievable Hockey Fight - YouTube

 
spaminator
+1
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Governor General says fighting has no place in hockey - Politics - CBC News

Finally, a voice of reason from the government.

i hate all the cheap shots. eg. boarding, sucker punching, elbowing, kneeing, sticking, etc.
 
EagleSmack
+1
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Our national passtime. Makes one proud.

The video after was even better.
 
Spade
#9
A fist fight between strong men almost invariably causes brain trauma. Think about it. That no one's been killed is a miracle.
 
SLM
+1
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

A fist fight between strong men almost invariably causes brain trauma. Think about it. That no one's been killed is a miracle.

I seem to recall one that's died, just not in the NHL. Yet.
 
Just the Facts
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Our national passtime. Makes one proud.

Unbelievable Hockey Fight - YouTube

You can tell it's clearly time to get rid of fighting in hockey, by the reaction of the fans.
 
Spade
+1
#12
Yes, the crowd says it all.

Gladiator trailer - YouTube

 
dumpthemonarchy
#13
You would still get fans going to games without fighting. Now they learn MMA techniques to fight and punches can be lethal headshots. I turn the station when I see a fight nowadays on TV.

They should go 4 on 4 for games, there is more room and if you can't skate, you're gone. So the goons vanish and so does fighting. Fighting would not have to be banned but it would be very rare 4 on 4.
 
SLM
+2
#14
I am not a fight fan by any stretch of the imagination. But I don't think you can ever completely get rid of fighting in hockey. It's a fast paced, contact sport...fighting is bound to happen.

Where it's gone too far is all the staged fighting, the teams who load up on goons instead of hockey players, that's what's gone too far. It's got to be treated as something that happens instead of a tactic of the game.
 
Spade
#15
Why is the hockey rink outside the reach of the law?
 
dumpthemonarchy
+1
#16
It is a sport, athletes agree beforehand that it is not bridge or chess. Players play within the rules and if they go beyond those rules, the police can charge amateur or pro athletes and it has happened in the past.
 
SLM
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Why is the hockey rink outside the reach of the law?

That's always the question isn't it?

I may be wrong but I think there might be provisions for sporting events and injuries that are sustained from violence during sports in the criminal code?
 
Spade
#18
There are. But now it's wink-wink, nudge-nudge. A player's sccepting the possibilty of injury in a fast-paced physical game is not the same as assent to violence or assault.
 
SLM
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

There are. But now it's wink-wink, nudge-nudge. A player's sccepting the possibilty of injury in a fast-paced physical game is not the same as assent to violence or assault.

The NHL has deep pockets. And they don't want to stop the money flow, so they won't take this seriously until someone dies in Prime Time on HNIC.
 
talloola
+1
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

A fist fight between strong men almost invariably causes brain trauma. Think about it. That no one's been killed is a miracle.

some of the punches land on the nose etc., but the majority of them hit the helmet, hence many
injuries to hands, eg. jovo broke his hand a couple of wees ago, punching a helmet, in a fight.
one of the first things they do in the panlty box is grab the ice bag for their hand, and its
usually not because the hand hit a face, it hit a helmet.

of course some hit the target, not the majority.
 
Cannuck
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Why is the hockey rink outside the reach of the law?

It is not.
 
talloola
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

The NHL has deep pockets. And they don't want to stop the money flow, so they won't take this seriously until someone dies in Prime Time on HNIC.

that is the case with many things in life, but remember, this is their game, they chose to play,
they have a big say in 'how' they want to play it, just as others have the say in 'how' they
play their sport, whatever it might be.
precausions and rules apply, to control things, such as head shots now, and that is good,
but we shouldn't make them do what 'we' want, if they don't want to.

Men do fight, that is a male thing, but the fights are monitored, controlled as much as possible,
no one is allowed to hit someone once they fall, etc.

Sure, I know there is no fighting in the olympics, but that is the top players in the world, the
rest of the nhl is a mixture of those top players and very good players to middle of the road
players.

If the players and the players association decide they 'do not' want to fight at all in the game,
then they won't, it is that group and not the NHL who will control that decision, the NHL can't
make them fight.
 
SLM
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by talloolaView Post

that is the case with many things in life, but remember, this is their game, they chose to play,
they have a big say in 'how' they want to play it, just as others have the say in 'how' they
play their sport, whatever it might be.
precausions and rules apply, to control things, such as head shots now, and that is good,
but we shouldn't make them do what 'we' want, if they don't want to.

Men do fight, that is a male thing, but the fights are monitored, controlled as much as possible,
no one is allowed to hit someone once they fall, etc.

Sure, I know there is no fighting in the olympics, but that is the top players in the world, the
rest of the nhl is a mixture of those top players and very good players to middle of the road
players.

If the players and the players association decide they 'do not' want to fight at all in the game,
then they won't, it is that group and not the NHL who will control that decision, the NHL can't
make them fight.

The fighting that goes on today is nothing like it was in the past. When I was growing up, teams didn't recruit goons the same way they do now. I used to really enjoy watching hockey when I was a kid. Today not so much, the fighting is too distracting from the game. It's a big turn off for me.

Yes the players can make that decision but the problem is that many of the players today are on the teams specifically to fight. We can't expect guys whose career is reliant upon them fighting to actually come out against it. How many former enforcers have spoken out against it in retirement?

The NHL may not be able to make them fight but it does nothing to discourage it. They are endorsing it by doing nothing.
 
talloola
+2
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

The fighting that goes on today is nothing like it was in the past. When I was growing up, teams didn't recruit goons the same way they do now. I used to really enjoy watching hockey when I was a kid. Today not so much, the fighting is too distracting from the game. It's a big turn off for me.

Yes the players can make that decision but the problem is that many of the players today are on the teams specifically to fight. We can't expect guys whose career is reliant upon them fighting to actually come out against it. How many former enforcers have spoken out against it in retirement?

The NHL may not be able to make them fight but it does nothing to discourage it. They are endorsing it by doing nothing.

I totally disagree with you concerning fighting long ago. There were many bench clearing brawls, much
blood shed, equipment all over the ice. That has been gone for a long time.

A player leaving the bench to join a fight is long gone, an automatic ten game suspension.

No, fighting is less than it use to be, but the players now days, are much fitter, much bigger, and
much faster, hence the impact of players hitting each other, hitting the boards etc., is a bigger
noise and thud, because of the size and speed of the players.
 
gopher
+1 / -1
#25
Yes ago there was talk that banning fighting in the NFL would destroy the league. History shows this assumption was incorrect.

European leagues don't allow fighting and they are thriving. Therefore, the idea that hockey cannot exist without fighting is totally bogus.

CASE CLOSED.
 
Spade
+1
#26
Concussions and fighting in hockey.
Headshots, fights produce different concussion - sportsnet.ca WAP
 
gopher
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Concussions and fighting in hockey.
Headshots, fights produce different concussion - sportsnet.ca WAP

People have got to watch that video.

As a former amateur boxer (my dad was a club fighter or semi-pro), I can attest to the unpleasant nature of a good hit like that. But at least in boxing you are fighting someone your size, he is directly in front of you, you anticipate the punch and can minimize it by ducking or moving away from it, or use your arms/hands to deflect much of it. In hockey your arms are down and holding a stick, you cannot brace yourself, often you are hit by a much bigger man, and just as often you cannot anticipate or deflect it in any way. This fascinating video proves all that.

Hockey has got to do away with needless violence before more damage is done. There simply is no other choice.
 
Kreskin
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Why is the hockey rink outside the reach of the law?

It isn't. I was at a game where 5 players were arrested and subsequently charged with assault.
 
talloola
+2
#29
the european game can thrive in europe, but it would not in north america.

as I said before, the players and the players association will decide if they
will stop the fighting or not, if they decide to do that, then the NHL will have
to go along, but they can't make them change, they can make changes to the format,
concerning fighting.

the players union and the NHL will be negotiating this summer, as their agreement ends
this year, and they have to sign a new one, so if the fighting issue is on the table they
can 'fight' about it. lol

Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Yes ago there was talk that banning fighting in the NFL would destroy the league. History shows this assumption was incorrect.

European leagues don't allow fighting and they are thriving. Therefore, the idea that hockey cannot exist without fighting is totally bogus.

CASE CLOSED.

nobody said the league wouldn't exist without fighting, but if the players and their association
want to play that way, it is their choice, not yours, or mine, and the NHL doesn't have the
authority to just say it has to stop, it must be discussed and negotiated.

or: if enough people protest the fighting, to the point where they were not coming to the
games, it would change, but most people seem to accept it, it has been in the game for years,
although it is not as rampant as it used to be.


I can't see it banned at this point, and that has nothing to do with me liking it or not, it is
the way the players, players union and the NHL see it.

I could watch it either way, as long as they take out the staged fights.

I see fighting in the CFL, not a lot, but it does happen, and is broken up very quickly.

You can only close your own case, not anyone elses.
 
shadowshiv
+1
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

The staged fights between players is a blight on the sport. Concussion central...

I would be fine if the staged fights disappeared, but there is a place for fights. If an opposing player takes liberties with your teammates, then he should know that he will have to pay the piper. If they didn't have to worry about getting into a fight(the suspensions that are currently handed out are NOT a deterrent) then they could go about hacking, slashing, and elbowing whoever they wanted. So, fighting has a place in hockey, just not the ones that are staged.
 

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