Feds to cut up to 68,000 jobs


mentalfloss
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Up to 68,000 jobs to vanish under federal public service spending cuts: report

OTTAWA - Federal government spending cuts could chop between 60,000 and 68,000 jobs from the public service in the next few years, a report from a progressive think-tank estimates.

The conclusion stems from a review of three separate rounds of restraint since 2007, and it suggests once completed in 2015, the federal public service could be trimmed to the lowest staffing levels since 2000.

Already, about 6,300 salaried positions are in the process of being eliminated as a result of department reviews launched between 2007 and 2010, designed to save $1.8 billion.

But that is the "tip of the iceberg," says the report from the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives. The major impact on jobs will derive from the $2-billion departmental spending freeze announced in 2010, which is only now being put into effect, and the $4-billion Strategic and Operating Review that will be part of the coming budget.

In total, the three waves of cost cutting are intended to yield the government $7.8 billion in annual savings upon completion in 2014-15.

Government ministers have yet to reveal how they will apportion the cuts, but have conceded jobs will be lost through attrition and likely also layoffs.

Report author David Macdonald, a senior economist with the Ottawa-based think-tank, said he does not expect all savings will come from jobs and salaries inside the public service, although the majority will. Consulting firms, maintenance companies, non-profits who depend on Ottawa funding, may be impacted as well.

"But no matter how the cuts take shape, the job losses will be significant," said Macdonald.

"One of the main issues is transparency. There is no government detailing of where the jobs are being cut, or why they are being cut."

Parliamentary budgetary officer Kevin Page said the 6,300 figure in the first wave coincides with his calculation, but his office has not yet done an estimate of future job losses.

"This is something we will look at in our Budget 2012 analysis," he said in an email.

In a paper issued earlier this month, Page concluded the Harper government was well on its way to meeting its cost-cutting objectives.

Overall, government spending during the first six months of the current fiscal year fell by three per cent to $123 billion. On the operational side, the target of the spending restraint, expenditures have been trimmed by four per cent in the same period.

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty insisted this week he does not plan to introduce a "slash and burn" budget, but has suggested in the past that some departments may be asked to find more in savings than previously expected.

Macdonald's report posits three scenarios of public service implications ranging from the extreme — where all the savings come from jobs losses, resulting in 68,300 fewer salaried positions — to a mix, where departments achieve administrative efficiencies and job losses are limited to 60,100.

Under all scenarios, the impact varies geographically and by department.

The Ottawa-Gatineau capital region is expected to absorb the lion's share of reductions, ranging from 11,200 at the minimum to 22,000 jobs in the extreme.

Coincidentally, the Conference Board of Canada recently tagged the job reduction in public service in the Ottawa region to the end of 2012 at about 9,000.

Big losses of up to 5,400 jobs are also likely in the Atlantic provinces, where the federal presence is strong.

Macdonald said he believes departments such as Corrections Services and CSIS, the spy agency, will be spared and will even grow.

But judging from the first wave of cuts, he expects sizable cuts to occur at Revenue Canada, Public Works, Human Resources, Health Canada, Fisheries, Foreign Affairs, Aboriginal Affairs and among civilian staff at Defence.

How the cuts will impact services is difficult to ascertain, said Macdonald, because the government has not been forthcoming about its plans.

"I think it's an open question whether Canadians would agree to see staff in aboriginal programs, food and safety inspectors as well as programs accessed by the working poor be cut, while Corrections and CSIS grow," he said.

"But without a detailed accounting of what is going on it's impossible to carry on that debate."

Up to 68,000 jobs to vanish under federal public service spending cuts: report | CanadianBusiness.com
 
taxslave
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68000 down, 200000 to go.

Then start on the provincial and municipal level and perhaps taxpayers stand a chance of getting out of debt.
 
mentalfloss
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Um.. it would be nice to see exactly what jobs are being cut.

Most of us are not dumb enough to believe that cuts are good for us without question.
 
JLM
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More important than the number is the fact of whether or not the jobs need doing!
 
mentalfloss
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

More important than the number is the fact of whether or not the jobs need doing!

I agree 100%.

Why don't we know exactly what jobs these are and whether they actually have some functional purpose?

Our government must think we're pretty stupid if they believe we'll just accept axing jobs without knowing what those jobs are.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

I agree 100%.

Why don't we know exactly what jobs these are and whether they actually have some functional purpose?

Our government must think we're pretty stupid if they believe we'll just accept axing jobs without knowing what those jobs are.


Is Harper somehow bound to seek approval from you peronally prior to making any moves on anything MF?
 
mentalfloss
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Is Harper somehow bound to seek approval from you peronally prior to making any moves on anything MF?

No, but he needs to at least be transparent about what he's doing.

There are some private industry jobs that are being cut in there. How do we know if they are fruitful or not?
 
captain morgan
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#8
Read some of the 'other' articles from your RSS feed that don't deride the gvt... It's been widely advertised that Harper has asked that all gvt depts cut staff.

You choose not to connect these dots as your mandate in posting new threads is solely directed at anti-Harper and anti-Oil&Gas news. It's tough to see any kind of macro view when your MO is so clearly partisan.
 
mentalfloss
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Read some of the 'other' articles from your RSS feed that don't deride the gvt... It's been widely advertised that Harper has asked that all gvt depts cut staff.

This goes without saying, but they still need to specify exactly what jobs are being axed.

Considering this is a government that will keep a $3 Million boondoggle operation that does absolutely nothing, they have pretty poor resume to simply trust on principle alone.
 
captain morgan
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#10
Sorry MF, but I'm gonna have to report a copyright violation here:

"Boondoggle" has been specifically earmarked for reference to the Liberal's wasteful practices in the HRDC.

You can read about it here:
Police arrest six more in HRDC boondoggle probe | CTV News
 
relic
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I've got it now,you torys are all suffering from estrogen piosoning,like women,you gotta go back how ever far it takes to find some way to shore up your lame arguments,which always seem to be "but the liberals did........ Lame, man lame.Geebus
 
mentalfloss
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Sorry MF, but I'm gonna have to report a copyright violation here:

"Boondoggle" has been specifically earmarked for reference to the Liberal's wasteful practices in the HRDC.

You can read about it here:
Police arrest six more in HRDC boondoggle probe | CTV News

I'm pretty sure whatever you've posted is pretty sucky as well, but we're talking about the relevancy of these job cuts.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by relicView Post

I've got it now,you torys are all suffering from estrogen piosoning,like women,you gotta go back how ever far it takes to find some way to shore up your lame arguments,which always seem to be "but the liberals did........ Lame, man lame.Geebus

I gather you are against Harper's "job" cuts!
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by relicView Post

I've got it now,you torys are all suffering from estrogen piosoning,like women,you gotta go back how ever far it takes to find some way to shore up your lame arguments,which always seem to be "but the liberals did........ Lame, man lame.Geebus

You're just upset 'cause your socialist libs were caught with their hand in the cookie jar over and over and over... Hell, they set a global record in the number of corrupt schemes designed to defraud the nation of money.

Get over it pal, or better yet, stop defending a party that has a vaunted history of criminal and irresponsible activities.

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

I'm pretty sure whatever you've posted is pretty sucky as well, but we're talking about the relevancy of these job cuts.

Not nearly as useless as the partisan nonsense that you post daily.

If you want info on the job cuts, find it yourself before you go bitching and moaning about a speculative question.

Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

I gather you are against Harper's "job" cuts!


Ofcourse he is JLM... If Dear Leader says they are necessary jobs, there is no reason to doubt.
 
mentalfloss
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Ofcourse he is JLM... If Dear Leader says they are necessary jobs, there is no reason to doubt.

Well that's the thing. Harper did not say whether they are necessary or not.

He didn't say anything at all about their relevance.

For all we know, they all work for the unreported crime dept.
 
JLM
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#16
From past experience, I know Gov't. tends to build up the employee numbers creating jobs not directly connected to the task being accomplished. Far too many in personnel, far too many recording and studying data, sometimes even during times when there is not even enough work to keep all the "shovels" employed!
 
Walter
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Well that's the thing. Harper did not say whether they are necessary or not.

He didn't say anything at all about their relevance.

For all we know, they all work for the unreported crime dept.

I heard he was just drawing names and positions out of a hat; it's as good a way to do it as any because most of the govmint jobs are redundant and could be done more efficiently and for less money by the private sector.
 
mentalfloss
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Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

I heard he was just drawing names and positions out of a hat; it's as good a way to do it as any because most of the govmint jobs are redundant and could be done more efficiently and for less money by the private sector.

Considering he cut private sector jobs as well, I don't see how your post makes any sense.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Considering he cut private sector jobs as well, I don't see how your post makes any sense.

I guess I'm just plain dumb this morning, but wouldn't the cutting of private sector jobs be at the discretion of the owner(s) of the company and possibly because they are losing money? Or don't things work like that anymore?
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Well that's the thing. Harper did not say whether they are necessary or not.

He didn't say anything at all about their relevance.

For all we know, they all work for the unreported crime dept.

HHHMMM - The Unreported Crime Section - Heard they were incorporated within the Liberal Party of Quebec. RCMP are still looking from what I heard. If you are aware of them you could be complicit in the event that it goes from Unreported to Conviction.
 
mentalfloss
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

HHHMMM - The Unreported Crime Section - Heard they were incorporated within the Liberal Party of Quebec. RCMP are still looking from what I heard. If you are aware of them you could be complicit in the event that it goes from Unreported to Conviction.

You do not like jokes.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

You do not like jokes.

I love jokes, reason I ran with it. What Private Sector jobs has Harper cut?
 
PoliticalNick
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I am all for trimming government. They spend far too much of my money on bullsh*t that does nothing for me. Government should be as small as possible providing only essential services like healthcare, education and defense. We need to move back to a society of free people who are responsible for themselves and away from the big govt nanny state we have today. I am not a fan of Harpo and his clowns usually but this is a good thing in my view. Now if he would only start repealing a whole bunch of meaningless legislation that gives govt control of our lives I might even start to support him.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

I am all for trimming government. They spend far too much of my money on bullsh*t that does nothing for me. Government should be as small as possible providing only essential services like healthcare, education and defense. We need to move back to a society of free people who are responsible for themselves and away from the big govt nanny state we have today. I am not a fan of Harpo and his clowns usually but this is a good thing in my view. Now if he would only start repealing a whole bunch of meaningless legislation that gives govt control of our lives I might even start to support him.

Now recall that some of that legislation protects you from harm.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

I am all for trimming government. They spend far too much of my money on bullsh*t that does nothing for me. Government should be as small as possible providing only essential services like healthcare, education and defense. We need to move back to a society of free people who are responsible for themselves and away from the big govt nanny state we have today. I am not a fan of Harpo and his clowns usually but this is a good thing in my view. Now if he would only start repealing a whole bunch of meaningless legislation that gives govt control of our lives I might even start to support him.

You bet, and I'm for removing "healthcare" and "education".
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

You bet, and I'm for removing "healthcare" and "education".

It was removed - See Nicks Post
 
mentalfloss
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

I love jokes, reason I ran with it. What Private Sector jobs has Harper cut?

I would like to know, but he won't tell us.

Ah, it was in another article I read, but not in the OP..

Now there's a new report on what the Harper Conservatives are up to in Ottawa and if true, 50,000 to 60,000 federal public service jobs or private sector jobs funded by Ottawa could be eliminated by 2014.

http://www.newstalk1010.com/News/loc...tryID=10339836

If cutting these jobs has no real consequence to us, then by all means, cut. But we should have transparency on what jobs could be cut so that everyone can respond and have an opinion on whether those jobs are reasonable/necessary.

After everyone can speak their piece, then we could ensure that wasteful services (like this) are cut, while important jobs are left alone.
Last edited by mentalfloss; Jan 23rd, 2012 at 11:26 AM..
 
PoliticalNick
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Now recall that some of that legislation protects you from harm.

I'm not saying toss out every clause of every act and the criminal code but there is a lot of stuff that costs a boatload to administer that we could be responsible for ourselves and deal with any issues civilly.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

It was removed - See Nicks Post

Education was still included according to the news this morning.
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Considering he cut private sector jobs as well, I don't see how your post makes any sense.

I'm a bit curious as to how that works.

Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

HHHMMM - The Unreported Crime Section

I seem to recall being told that all unsolved murders were perpetrated by the RCMP, so maybe this is related.
 

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