Moon Base Canada


Liberalman
#1
Moon Base Canada

http://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/68973/No-rides-for-Canadian-astronauts (external - login to view)

Now that our Canadian astronauts lost their ride to the International Space Station because our credits ran out and since Prime Minister Harper is in a spending mood like building up our military machines, the time is right for Canada to build a base on the moon.

Think of the opportunities of having a launch platform from the moon for deep space exploration and because of less gravity on the moon less rocket fuel would be needed to take off.

Environmentally the Earth would be better off because of less vehicle punching through the atmosphere.

New space vehicles could be manufactured on the moon as well as the fuel source.

Industry would have better research facilities on the moon and with the low gravity develop better and more efficient products.

It would take one country to start it and other countries would jump on board like they did with the International Space Station.

It is time for our Canadian astronauts to do more than just floating in a piece of metal around the Earth.

It is time to move forward and in the seven years while Canada waits for more credits so it can hitch a ride to the space station they could be bringing the space program to the next level of deep space travel.



 
petros
#2
WTF? Where do you get this stuff?
 
Liberalman
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

wtf? Where do you get this stuff?

wtf???
Last edited by Liberalman; Dec 27th, 2011 at 12:04 PM..Reason: ....
 
BruSan
#4
Mmmm; and we are to perform this monumental feat of accomplishment how exactly?

We don't have the expertise.
We don't have the necessary infrastructure.
We don't have the money!

While we are busily rounding up all of the aforementioned, we are to ignore ALL of the other things, currently of much higher priority, that are sucking up the aforementioned by big heaping gulps?

A very major feat for us would be to bring a type of aircraft to fruition that would suit our projected defence needs. Larger minds have deep sixed that as an achievable goal so I hardly think those in the know are gonna believe we can either afford or should commit to inhabiting a rock in space.
 
Liberalman
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by BruSanView Post

Mmmm; and we are to perform this monumental feat of accomplishment how exactly?

We don't have the expertise.
We don't have the necessary infrastructure.
We don't have the money!

While we are busily rounding up all of the aforementioned, we are to ignore ALL of the other things, currently of much higher priority, that are sucking up the aforementioned by big heaping gulps?

A very major feat for us would be to bring a type of aircraft to fruition that would suit our projected defence needs. Larger minds have deep sixed that as an achievable goal so I hardly think those in the know are gonna believe we can either afford or should commit to inhabiting a rock in space.

We do have the expertise
Infrastructure will come when we start the project.
The money will come from businesses the other countries that Canada will invite to participate.
 
Goober
+1
#6  Top Rated Post
Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

We do have the expertise
Infrastructure will come when we start the project.
The money will come from businesses the other countries that Canada will invite to participate.

I take it that the air is a problem where you reside???
 
Kreskin
+1
#7
A space program need a business model. Unless it can break even or make a profit it isn`t worth having.
 
taxslave
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

We do have the expertise
Infrastructure will come when we start the project.
The money will come from businesses the other countries that Canada will invite to participate.

Since the US already has the infrastructure and a much larger tax base to steal from how about we just contribute a little money and some expertise like we have been? Or is this just supposed to be another liberal make work project for bureaucrats in Ottawa?
 
Liberalman
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Since the US already has the infrastructure and a much larger tax base to steal from how about we just contribute a little money and some expertise like we have been? Or is this just supposed to be another liberal make work project for bureaucrats in Ottawa?

American President Obama said that his country would not continue with any more developments on the moon.

America has decided to concentrate on the Mars project just because it takes 5 years to get there

Once the project is started investors and other countries will come on board.

Canada has a working space agency we start from there and expand out.

Canada could have a working base on the moon before 2020.

The moon is close and travel time would be lower
 
ironsides
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

American President Obama said that his country would not continue with any more developments on the moon.

America has decided to concentrate on the Mars project just because it takes 5 years to get there

Once the project is started investors and other countries will come on board.

Canada has a working space agency we start from there and expand out.

Canada could have a working base on the moon before 2020.

The moon is close and travel time would be lower



First of all President is not President for life. President Obama is the only one keeping us at each others throats. The majority of Americans would like us to get into a race to build a Moon base, one important thing it might do is unite us again into one country and help get rid of all the different races and religions vying for dominant roles.


You actually have a good idea, you have access to the expertise, building or modifying infrastructure will create jobs not to mention the advancements in other technologies that will grow from it., lastly, you as a country have the money. The Kennedy Space Center is still fully functional.
 
BruSan
#11
Tongue-in-cheek here: My suggestion is we leave the poor moon alone until all countries have gained the maturity to not want to militarize the thing as soon as we arrive. We got enough problems down here to solve before expending any resources on that one.

Mind you; Muslim radicals would have a tough time planting an IED up there.
 
eh1eh
#12
We should go to the moon and learn how to live in a totally enclosed environment so we can build them on earth because with wasteful brain dead plans like 'going to the moon' instead of looking after our environment here on earth, we will need that technology.
 
Kreskin
+1
#13
If we go to the moon we could mine and sell the cheese.
 
SLM
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

We should go to the moon and learn how to live in a totally enclosed environment so we can build them on earth because with wasteful brain dead plans like 'going to the moon' instead of looking after our environment here on earth, we will need that technology.

Yeah but it's a Moon Base. C'mon, that'll be pretty cool eh?

Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

If we go to the moon we could mine and sell the cheese.

Think of the shipping charges though. Yikes!
 
taxslave
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

American President Obama said that his country would not continue with any more developments on the moon.

America has decided to concentrate on the Mars project just because it takes 5 years to get there

Once the project is started investors and other countries will come on board.

Canada has a working space agency we start from there and expand out.

Canada could have a working base on the moon before 2020.

The moon is close and travel time would be lower

Yea I get that but to what end? The US has a fully functional launch capability that we don't have. Why not use that instead of squandering a ton of taxpayers money reinventing the wheel?
Now if a private enterprise was interested in doing a moon base from Canada I would expect the government to bend over backwards to assist in getting the project off the ground right up to the point where it involves my money.
 
dumpthemonarchy
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by BruSanView Post

Mmmm; and we are to perform this monumental feat of accomplishment how exactly?

We don't have the expertise.
We don't have the necessary infrastructure.
We don't have the money!

While we are busily rounding up all of the aforementioned, we are to ignore ALL of the other things, currently of much higher priority, that are sucking up the aforementioned by big heaping gulps?

A very major feat for us would be to bring a type of aircraft to fruition that would suit our projected defence needs. Larger minds have deep sixed that as an achievable goal so I hardly think those in the know are gonna believe we can either afford or should commit to inhabiting a rock in space.

Sending rockets into space is 50 year old tech. It simply lacks public support. There is water and Helium-3 on the Moon to fuel exploration of the solar system. It ought to be seen as the world's greated construction project, to create endless prosperity for mankind.

Do you know why cordless tools were invented? Because astronauts needed them on spacewalks to do repairs. Living on the Moon will spur huge technological innovation, but you can't innovate unless you do new things.
 
damngrumpy
#17
Lets see, the Americans are working on Mars so we should go to the moon?
Is that the new thinking? Well I suppose we could but we would need those
four subs that we bought from Britain to defend the base. Good God all the
things we need money for, and you want to go to the Moon and build a base
there.
this government has overspent the treasury in the billions, and we can't keep
the programs we have now still some want to go to the moon. For those who
said no on price alone are not quite right though, the science of new inventions
often pays in the long run for the programs, that were needed to make the
journey possible. The expertise is there many a Canadian has designed or been
part of the American experience from day one.
Still all this being said, at this time in history it would be one huge waste of money
 
dumpthemonarchy
#18
Space exploration is a waste of money? The future is in space. Do we have enough resources on Earth to supply the world with a modern lifestyle? No. So we need to get to the Moon, asteroids and Mars. Mars may be terraformed so we can live there.

Not too ago most people in the world were just trying to survive, now we can become a spacefaring ciivilsation and that is ho-hum? What kind of revolution would you like? Picky picky picky.

The feds waste money. We spend $10 billion a year on Indians, and for what? Repeal the Indian Act, made Indians Canadians and turn reserves into cities. Put three billion a year into a Moon base, and use seven billion to pay off the debt. We could be a world leader politically and economically here. The future is more important now, and many countries need the resources from space and wil get them, whether we diddle or not.
 
Kreskin
#19
Why would Earthlings want to move to the Moon or Mars? The resources are here, not there.
 
dumpthemonarchy
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

Why would Earthlings want to move to the Moon or Mars? The resources are here, not there.

Not so. Read the link below. Water and helium-3, the latter which could allow fusion energy. H-3 is rare on Earth, but abundant on the Moon. Then there's the huge resources of asteroids. Space is calling.
This Moon was Made for Mining (Helium-3) : Discovery News (external - login to view)

We could also become Moonlings. Sounds fun.
 
Kreskin
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

Not so. Read the link below. Water and helium-3, the latter which could allow fusion energy. H-3 is rare on Earth, but abundant on the Moon. Then there's the huge resources of asteroids. Space is calling.
This Moon was Made for Mining (Helium-3) : Discovery News (external - login to view)

We could also become Moonlings. Sounds fun.

What do we eat?
 
dumpthemonarchy
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

What do we eat?

There is wa-wa on the Moon, food thingies.
 
Kreskin
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

There is wa-wa on the Moon, food thingies.

But there is food and water and energy here. Lots of it.
 
Cliffy
+1
#24
I'm all for sending people to the moon. The more the merrier. I'll even volunteer to load them. We could use a little extra space down here. A poll should be taken and the numbers tallied. If there are enough to justify building the sucker, I say go for it.
 
dumpthemonarchy
#25
Yes, it's time to explore the cosmos.
 
Cliffy
+1
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchyView Post

Yes, it's time to explore the cosmos.

Enjoy the trip. Don't forget to send post cards.
 
ironsides
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by BruSanView Post

Tongue-in-cheek here: My suggestion is we leave the poor moon alone until all countries have gained the maturity to not want to militarize the thing as soon as we arrive. We got enough problems down here to solve before expending any resources on that one.

Mind you; Muslim radicals would have a tough time planting an IED up there.

That alone is reason enough to go.

No more space station orbiting the Earth, The U.S. heading for Mars, I cannot see why the Moon would not make a good jumping off place. It has all the resources to manufacture what ever it needs to be self supporting in a few years. We have to get out there sooner or later, and now appears to be a good time to start up again.
 
Kreskin
#28
Is greed different in zero G?

During the 70's when robotics was born it was sold on the Utopian premise that someday we'd all just recreate while machines did the work. Of course the only ones recreating from it are the owners of the automation. The rest live mostly on leverage and asking people if they wants fries.

While there may be spin-offs from exploration, wouldn't they arrive naturally anyway? Would we still be without teflon or tang if the Apollo program never existed? Surely inventors have a helluva marketplace right here on Earth for non-stick cookware. Aren't these space programs more about make-work projects to transfer borrowed money to those who do the best sales pitching?
 
ironsides
#29
Those problems like Teflon, tang etc. solved would not have surfaced as readily if at all. What is the need for tang, we have the real orange and other juices down here. Why miniaturize, we have all the room on Earth down here. Would medical lasers have been developed by now if there was no space program. How many lives we saved because the stuff was perfected within 10 years? We made this remarkable jump in the 1960's, slowed down after that to the dead stop were at now.

Even Cliffy could find his fortress of Solitude somewhere out there.
 
Kreskin
#30
If there is a real need for them they will be developed. Half the population becoming senior citizens will create more demand for medical instruments than a moon walk.

Technology is expanding faster today than at anytime, yet the space program has been slowing to a halt for a decade or two.

Interesting to read this (includes section of mistakenly attributed spin-offs). I realize the list isn't comprehensive but it isn't too impressive considering the trillions of dollars spent.

NASA spin-off - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)
 

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