Moon Base Canada


ironsides
#31
Not impressive!! Tell that to those who are in need of these devices. Those items mentioned are very impressive considering they were not the main reason for their development in the first place. The trillions (it wasn't trillions though) of dollars spent was to put a man on the Moon and build the Space Station cost the U.S. almost $200 billion for the space station and about 20 billion to put a man on the Moon. (I did not include the price of military satellites).
Total Cost of NASA's Space Shuttle Program: Nearly $200 Billion | 30 Years of NASA Space Shuttles, Final Shuttle Missions | NASA Space Shuttles, Space Exploration& Human Spaceflight | Space.com

The space program only stopped flights with the last shuttle launch, development is still going on with the next generation shuttle which unfortunately will take about 10 years before it flys.

The spin off from the space program just made the whole thing worth while.
 
Tonington
#32
Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post


Think of the shipping charges though. Yikes!

And the import tariffs...

A moon base is so far out there. At a time when countries are beginning to realize the difficult financial future faced by most, we should not be undertaking such massive spending programs where the benefit is so highly uncertain. Costs and benefits. Let's see em, and see how sensitive they are to changes in the assumptions.

How about solving the engineering problems we already have. Here's a starting suggestion, replace lithium in the new generation of batteries.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
#33
Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

What do we eat?

You said it yourself -- cheese.
 
SLM
#34
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

And the import tariffs...

A moon base is so far out there. At a time when countries are beginning to realize the difficult financial future faced by most, we should not be undertaking such massive spending programs where the benefit is so highly uncertain. Costs and benefits. Let's see em, and see how sensitive they are to changes in the assumptions.

How about solving the engineering problems we already have. Here's a starting suggestion, replace lithium in the new generation of batteries.

Yeah, cost/benefit analysis would probably put the kibosh on that one.

Still, it'd be pretty cool.
 
ironsides
#35
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

And the import tariffs...

A moon base is so far out there. At a time when countries are beginning to realize the difficult financial future faced by most, we should not be undertaking such massive spending programs where the benefit is so highly uncertain. Costs and benefits. Let's see em, and see how sensitive they are to changes in the assumptions.

How about solving the engineering problems we already have. Here's a starting suggestion, replace lithium in the new generation of batteries.

Would be nice if lithium battery's could be replaced, but there is no need, there just making them smaller and better. Now if there was a need for a battery to last months or years on a charge that could speed up development.
 
taxslave
#36
Quote: Originally Posted by ironsidesView Post

Would be nice if lithium battery's could be replaced, but there is no need, there just making them smaller and better. Now if there was a need for a battery to last months or years on a charge that could speed up development.

I'd be happy for a battery that could lst over an hour of use. Especially when I am at one end of the dock and the spare battery is at the other.
 
WLDB
#37
I wouldnt be surprised if the US got back into the game in a big way in the next 10 years or so. Once the Chinese really get going. They are planning a manned mission to the moon. Once they do that who knows, maybe there'll be a second space race.
 
ironsides
#38
All the U.S. did was get out of the Space Shuttle business for the moment. The military space programs as well as other projects are going ahead full speed, launches are still happening.

Cape Canaveral Launch Schedule - Rocket & Satellite Launches from Cape Canaveral - Mars Science Laboratory Curiosity (external - login to view)
 
dumpthemonarchy
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by WLDBView Post

I wouldnt be surprised if the US got back into the game in a big way in the next 10 years or so. Once the Chinese really get going. They are planning a manned mission to the moon. Once they do that who knows, maybe there'll be a second space race.

Competition is good. In 2019, it wil be the 50th anniversary of the Moon landing. If China is there with some astronauts and a Moon base, perhaps that will wake people up. Putting a man on the Moon seems to me seems like superpower status. A Moon base with regular visits, even more so. China is up and coming, the tired USA is not.

Space exploration doesn't make money, spinoffs or not, but it is the classic investment of huge payoffs down the road. Nowadays there are more and more ads on TV showing Earth in space, like we are already off it and a space faring civilisation. We are in a small way with the International Space Station, but the ISS is a dead end. We need to colonise the Moon because the tech already exists.
 
ironsides
#40
The United States is still in the race for deep space exploration. The Orion MPCV (Multi-Purpose Crew Vehicle) is very much alive. The Shuttle became obsolete and to costly to upgrade.(Our fault for not keeping it updated all along. For the most part it was 1980's technology.) Space exploration to places like Mars, the moons of Jupiter and beyond will make money for future generations, and possibly save the human race at some point.
 
WLDB
#41
Long term in order to survive as a species we have to leave this planet as its days (and the days of the solar system) are numbered. Thats very long term, of course but something to think about.
 
Liberalman
+1
#42
Someone is looking at the moon to set up things http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16353839 (external - login to view)
 
ironsides
#43
Not bad for a organization (NASA) going out of business. We all have no idea what there doing.
 
L Gilbert
#44
Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

Moon Base Canada

http://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/68973/No-rides-for-Canadian-astronauts (external - login to view)

Now that our Canadian astronauts lost their ride to the International Space Station because our credits ran out and since Prime Minister Harper is in a spending mood like building up our military machines, the time is right for Canada to build a base on the moon.

Think of the opportunities of having a launch platform from the moon for deep space exploration and because of less gravity on the moon less rocket fuel would be needed to take off.

Environmentally the Earth would be better off because of less vehicle punching through the atmosphere.

New space vehicles could be manufactured on the moon as well as the fuel source.

Industry would have better research facilities on the moon and with the low gravity develop better and more efficient products.

It would take one country to start it and other countries would jump on board like they did with the International Space Station.

It is time for our Canadian astronauts to do more than just floating in a piece of metal around the Earth.

It is time to move forward and in the seven years while Canada waits for more credits so it can hitch a ride to the space station they could be bringing the space program to the next level of deep space travel.

Yeah, never mind healthcare, education, earth-based R&D, and all that other boring earthly stuff. Blow wads of cash on stuff that has little effect on the majority.

Sorry, but I'd rather leave that stuff up to private concerns.
 
dumpthemonarchy
+1
#45
NASA sends up sateliites because they are cheap and we learn important things, like there is water on the Moon. The masses are unaware of that salient fact.

As a species, most have no interest in space, but that doesn't mean space is not vitally important to the species in the long term. The plan to do nothing because a few billion are uninformed is not the future I want.
 

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