Canada wins US trade Fight over meat labelling

Mowich

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Canadian livestock producers celebrated victory Friday in a hard-fought battle over food labelling requirements imposed by the U.S. in 2008.

The federal government argued before the World Trade Organization that American "country of origin" labelling rules (COOL) actually worked to the detriment of the meat industry on both sides of the border by increasing costs, lowering processing efficiency and otherwise distorting trade across the Canada-U.S. border.

Agriculture Minister Gerry Ritz and Trade Minister Ed Fast announced the WTO had ruled in Canada's favour at a news conference on a ranch near Airdie, Alta. on Friday morning.
Although the ruling was unanimous on all points in the case, the Americans have 60 days to file an appeal.


WTO rulings do not assess compensation or penalties. Minister Ritz said that he hopes a negotiated settlement can be reached with the Americans to implement the decision.
Canada wins U.S. trade fight over meat labelling - Politics - CBC News

Good luck with that negotiated settlement, Gerry.
 

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I'm reminded of the Softwood Lumber thing, or the BC vrs California case over power
sales (California defaulted on payment, it's a good read).
Yeah and I've never understood why we can't just cut off their power. They turn the power off of an un-paid bill here in BC in a heartbeat. Nail the citizens but let the USA have it for free!!! Good old Canada. Push overs. They say "no money" and we say "okay".
 

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I am more interested in the fact that the US has 60 days to appeal the ruling even though Canada and Mexico won on every single point - will be waiting to see if they do and just what they come up with to support their appeal.

The US will fight like hell to keep every penny they owe us in compensation and we will once again lose a battle but win the war.
 

Ron in Regina

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Yeah and I've never understood why we can't just cut off their power. They turn the power off of an un-paid bill here in BC in a heartbeat. Nail the citizens but let the USA have it for free!!! Good old Canada. Push overs. They say "no money" and we say "okay".


I think (this is from about 20yrs ago in a "Readers Digest") it went along the
lines of: "We don't have the money, but think you're price gouging, so not
only are we not going to pay you....but we're going to sue you!"...and they
did. BC appealed this, but it was heard in a U.S. Court that sided with
California.

I think the unpaid electric bill was something like 1/3 of a billion dollars, and
the lawsuit was for about the same amount...making the bill a wash, with BC
providing California free power at that time.

Reality is, California is a huge economy, and even when they do decide to pay
their bills, or a portion there off....it's still big bucks. It's not right, but it's real.
Economy of California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm assuming Canadian taxpayers and/or shareholders in BC Hydro just ate the
bill, in the assumption that, over time, they'd recoup their loss and make more
money in the long run. I hope that BC Hydro eventually recouped on that loss
anyway.
 

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I think (this is from about 20yrs ago in a "Readers Digest") it went along the
lines of: "We don't have the money, but think you're price gouging, so not
only are we not going to pay you....but we're going to sue you!"...and they
did. BC appealed this, but it was heard in a U.S. Court that sided with
California.

I think the unpaid electric bill was something like 1/3 of a billion dollars, and
the lawsuit was for about the same amount...making the bill a wash, with BC
providing California free power at that time.

Reality is, California is a huge economy, and even when they do decide to pay
their bills, or a portion there off....it's still big bucks. It's not right, but it's real.
Economy of California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm assuming Canadian taxpayers and/or shareholders in BC Hydro just ate the
bill, in the assumption that, over time, they'd recoup their loss and make more
money in the long run. I hope that BC Hydro eventually recouped on that loss
anyway.


If BC Hydro is smart, they'll sell to others and refuse to sell to California.
 

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While wintering for years in Arizona and Texas we met many ranchers who admitted they regularly shipped "downers" to slaughterhouses who then butchered the meat for regular consumption. The popularly held method of choice was; if you can get it on the truck we'll butcher it at the other end.

Many ranchers we talked to "knew" of a neighbour who had taken some out to the back forty to dispose of without reporting so the rest of his herd could get shipped in a hurry. This was supposedly a very common occurrance down there while up here; those missing steers would cause a full court press and investigation audit with paperwork being demanded as to where those missing cattle went.

A video surfaced which showed Mexican workers dragging cattle off a truck with a forklift and chain into a Texas slaughterhouse along with many "stumblers" that would have triggered an automatic cull and destruction of entire herd up here. It caused a lot of embarrassment but no apololgies to Canada over the rigid enforcement we were forced to comply with.

It's always been about one set of rules for them and a whole bunch for others in any commercial market exchange.
 

Ron in Regina

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If BC Hydro is smart, they'll sell to others and refuse to sell to California.


Check out the location of California to BC on a map, factor in that California
is the eighth largest economy on the planet (or was until recently) and has
an ecomony larger than most countries (including Canada).

BC has rivers to dam for a surplus of power generation. How much of that
surplus can be sold to others, and what %'age of the surplus/potential profit
would be left on the table? It's a dirty catch-22, with California in the drivers
seat until more folks start thinking like you do.

Again, I'm pulling my "facts" from a Readers Digest story I'd read about two
decades ago, so I could be wrong on some things, and really-really outdated
on others. I'm assuming BC is/was only one of many suppliers of power to
this state also....so maybe someone else would be willing to roll the dice and
pick up the slack (& hope they get paid all or a portion of the tab) to supply
California with electrical power if BC Hydro (is it still BC Hydro?) decided to
turn off the switch.