Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze
Hero worship aside: How much safer is the world at large?? Is there any end to the ongoing wars that are causing this type of distress to the "heros" that have to contend with situations that are beyond description.??
Is Afghanistan any safer and better now?? It has been over a decade of war there........ is it working for them??
Under the Taliban a woman could be "safe" if she was a complete slave, rejected the possibility of freedom, rights, and wore a head-to-toe sack. Fighting for freedom and rights has never been a safe thing. Fighting fascists and fascist ideologies is dangerous and risky business! But yes, the world is "safer" in that we are succeeding slowly against bringing down an ideology that had declared war on all of us.
Maybe each nation has the right to develope on its own rate with its own objectives in mind with consideration to their own cultural beliefs.
Afghanistan prior to the Taliban was a far more modern nation when it came to women's rights. So was Iran prior to the Islamist victory. In fact, across most Muslim majority countries, the rise of the fascist Islamist ideology hurled the social and cultural values backwards. Are Afghanistani women who have even during the Taliban period fought for women's rights any less Afghanistani than the Taliban, who were in fact influenced by an ideology that was born and raised in the Middle East?
No nation has the right to invade and do a regime change while destroying the infrastructure and killing thousands. That is just one gov't ideology.
First, we and our allies have built infrastructure in Afghanistan, and our soldiers have participated in this. Second of all, with your mindset, fascism and Nazism would have taken over Europe and beyond in the 20th century, no nation would ever intervene to stop genocide in another nation, etc.
Canadians are not naive...... suspect they are a lot more realistic and humanitarian as a rule. They are not inclined to go off half cocked into wars with out considering all the implications , let alone an exit strategy in the plan. Good thing that Canadians do not have an obsessive hero worship of their military , their celebs etc etc. As that puts things into an unrealistic rhelm and with dangersous expectations .
I hardly think it is humanitarian and realistic to be anti-military, as you seem to be. Pacifism feels better and nicer. But non-intervention pacifists once argued against getting involved in the war against Hitler while Jews, and Roma, and gays, and Jehovah's Witness were being thrown into concentration camps and gas chambers. It is naive and self-serving to believe that if we just avoid conflict and conflict, love and peace will prevail. When you are faced with an aggressive, fascist ideology such as radical Islamism or Nazism, you're facing a group of people who will not stop until defeated, who see war as a perpetual goal and will butcher and murder, repress and oppress.
There are no heros in ELECTIVE wars of choice. Regardless of the stated propaganda that was used to start them. There is far to much that the public does not know.......and to buy into the propaganda .....ie Kool Aid......is only decieving onself.
Our governments failed to educate us on the fact that a fascist ideology had spread across much of the Muslim world, an ideology as threatening and lethal as European fascism once was. Without an understanding of this, naive and ill informed people believed and theorized the reasons for the war in Afghanistan or Iraq or against terrorism (one of the war methods used by Islamists) were all kinds of silly opportunitistic things that ultimately are irrational. No, it wasn't for oil, it wasn't western imperialism, no, it wasn't for any of the conspiracy theories out there. It is the conspiracy theories that are kool aid and Pablum, easy superficial, ideologically and politically motivated theories.
How is the current fragile world better?? These aggressions have affected the economy.....and that is affecting everyone. The last decade has seen a deterioation of so many issues , it is hard to imagine how they wiill be either resolved , corrected or a new course established to ;move forward.
The current fragile world is better because over the last decades we've had significant pushback against Islamism, whose followers seek nothing else than world domination, a Taliban-like earth, achieved one country at a time and by waging terrorist war against Western nations, as well as non-Islamist Muslims. The world still has problems, we still have conflicts, we're still facing the challenges and messes that go along with adapting to progress, globalization, etc. That's hard stuff. But that's human life and reality.
That poor Soldier's action is a symptom of a far greater problem........and that is the harsh fact of all this.
That's not a fact. That's just a very destructive belief associated with the type of pacifist mentality that has the blood of many on its lilly white holier than thou hands.