Soldier commits suicide live on webcam


Locutus
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A YOUNG soldier committed suicide live on a webcam in France during an online chat with another user of a health forum, French newspaper Le Parisien reported.

The man, named only as Jean-Edouard A., 22, shot himself at his uncle's home in Marseille, southern France, during a live chat on the website Doctissimo.fr, a health discussion site.

The other user, known online as "Ravioli," then alerted other users.
One tracked down the site's administrators in Canada, who managed to identify the IP address of the computer Jean-Edouard A. was operating. The website alerted Interpol and local police.

The image of the dead man was left on the site for several hours, according to the newspaper.
"Other internet users were able to see the images," one site regular said. "The image of his head lying on the desk after his death stayed up for several hours before the site administrators took it down."

Christophe Clement, a spokesman for the site, said Jean-Edouard A., who used the alias "Redjohn", was not a frequent user of the site and had created his profile only recently.
"Clearly the exchanges and links between people on our site prevent many more suicides than they cause. In this case, the time between the threat and the actual act was too short to allow us to do anything at all," Clement added.


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Soldier commits suicide live on webcam | Herald Sun (external - login to view)
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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Sad for him and sad for the person who had to watch.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
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True, very sad. I'm not sure about the significance of him being a soldier. Was this suicide in someway related to his service?
Last edited by Retired_Can_Soldier; Nov 2nd, 2011 at 04:17 PM..
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_SoldierView Post

True, very sad. I'm not sure about the significance of him being a soldier. Was this suicide in someway related to his service?

Regardless we will see many Canadian Vets from Afghanistan eating a bullet
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Regardless we will see many Canadian Vets from Afghanistan eating a bullet

Really, and this is based on what? Both myself and my brother are the parents of two Afghanistan Veterans and they seem pretty well balanced.
 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_SoldierView Post

Really, and this is based on what? Both myself and my brother are the parents of two Afghanistan Veterans and they seem pretty well balanced.

You and your brother had kids?
 
Ocean Breeze
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Regardless we will see many Canadian Vets from Afghanistan eating a bullet

I am so afraid that you are right. After these troops return from their "mission" and have had time to decompress and think about things...... and question some of the policies and motives behind the aggression, the reality is not pleasant. Their memories are such a radical contrast to the existence back at home.....so the adjustments are troublesome too.

It is a sign of such deep despair that one not only commits suicide.......but does it in such a dramatic way , knowing it will be recorded for posterity. Within that despair is such rage too.
 
oleoleolanda
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

I am so afraid that you are right. After these troops return from their "mission" and have had time to decompress and think about things...... and question some of the policies and motives behind the aggression, the reality is not pleasant. Their memories are such a radical contrast to the existence back at home.....so the adjustments are troublesome too.

It is a sign of such deep despair that one not only commits suicide.......but does it in such a dramatic way , knowing it will be recorded for posterity. Within that despair is such rage too.

The Canadian government and the most of the media failed terribly in educating the public on the reasons for the war against the Taliban and Al Qaeda and the widespread fascist ideology that posed a threat to the world that was no less massive than European fascism and Nazism were in the early 20th century. When our soldiers come home, having seen not just the horrors of war, but the horrors of the Taliban and Al Qaeda, which are unimaginable to naive Canadians, and they face a blissfully ignorant and naive and wrongfully judgmental public, I'm sure that the combination of that denial and ignorance with PTSD can be too much for some of them.

They are heros who risked their lives for not just a better Afghanistan but for a safer world and they are treated like fools who should be ashamed. That's got to result in a lot of despair and rage.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusView Post

A YOUNG soldier committed suicide live on a webcam in France during an online chat with another user of a health forum, French newspaper Le Parisien reported.


Soldier commits suicide live on webcam | Herald Sun (external - login to view)

What they won't do for attention these days!
 
Ocean Breeze
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Hero worship aside: How much safer is the world at large?? Is there any end to the ongoing wars that are causing this type of distress to the "heros" that have to contend with situations that are beyond description.??

Is Afghanistan any safer and better now?? It has been over a decade of war there........ is it working for them??

Maybe each nation has the right to develope on its own rate with its own objectives in mind with consideration to their own cultural beliefs.

No nation has the right to invade and do a regime change while destroying the infrastructure and killing thousands. That is just one gov't ideology.

Canadians are not naive...... suspect they are a lot more realistic and humanitarian as a rule. They are not inclined to go off half cocked into wars with out considering all the implications , let alone an exit strategy in the plan. Good thing that Canadians do not have an obsessive hero worship of their military , their celebs etc etc. As that puts things into an unrealistic rhelm and with dangersous expectations .

There are no heros in ELECTIVE wars of choice. Regardless of the stated propaganda that was used to start them. There is far to much that the public does not know.......and to buy into the propaganda .....ie Kool Aid......is only decieving onself.

How is the current fragile world better?? These aggressions have affected the economy.....and that is affecting everyone. The last decade has seen a deterioation of so many issues , it is hard to imagine how they wiill be either resolved , corrected or a new course established to ;move forward.

That poor Soldier's action is a symptom of a far greater problem........and that is the harsh fact of all this.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_SoldierView Post

Really, and this is based on what? Both myself and my brother are the parents of two Afghanistan Veterans and they seem pretty well balanced.

40,000 went thru Afghanistan - DVA - Military treatment for these suffering from PTSD is severely lacking. A number of reports from the Military, Ombudsman's office attest to this. And then a number of Vet Orgs have brought the same problems to light for many years.
 
Just the Facts
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Is Afghanistan any safer and better now?? It has been over a decade of war there........ is it working for them??

Considering the refugees deemed it to have made returning home an option, I'd have to say yes, on both counts.

At the start of 2001, there were nearly 150 refugee camps in Pakistan with some 1.1 million Afghan residents in the camps. Just over 3 million Afghans lived in Pakistan overall, including the camps.[3]

Jalozai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Hero worship aside: How much safer is the world at large?? Is there any end to the ongoing wars that are causing this type of distress to the "heros" that have to contend with situations that are beyond description.??.

Can you pinpoint the post that lead you to make the statement of "Hero Worship".

Signed
Goober Confused
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Can you pinpoint the post that lead you to make the statement of "Hero Worship".

That's just OB's new catch phrase.

I'm sure she prefers the hero status that has been applied to 50cent and Snoop Dog, more so.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

That's just OB's new catch phrase.

I'm sure she prefers the hero status that has been applied to 50cent and Snoop Dog, more so.

Wonder if she has an answer.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Wonder if she has an answer.

One that makes sense?

I highly doubt it.
 
gerryh
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WHY, did a thread about a tragic happening in France become another Afghanistan thread?
 
shadowshiv
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Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusView Post

A YOUNG soldier committed suicide live on a webcam in France during an online chat with another user of a health forum, French newspaper Le Parisien reported.

The man, named only as Jean-Edouard A., 22, shot himself at his uncle's home in Marseille, southern France, during a live chat on the website Doctissimo.fr, a health discussion site.

The other user, known online as "Ravioli," then alerted other users.
One tracked down the site's administrators in Canada, who managed to identify the IP address of the computer Jean-Edouard A. was operating. The website alerted Interpol and local police.

The image of the dead man was left on the site for several hours, according to the newspaper.
"Other internet users were able to see the images," one site regular said. "The image of his head lying on the desk after his death stayed up for several hours before the site administrators took it down."

Christophe Clement, a spokesman for the site, said Jean-Edouard A., who used the alias "Redjohn", was not a frequent user of the site and had created his profile only recently.
"Clearly the exchanges and links between people on our site prevent many more suicides than they cause. In this case, the time between the threat and the actual act was too short to allow us to do anything at all," Clement added.


source:


Soldier commits suicide live on webcam | Herald Sun (external - login to view)

I feel bad for people that commit suicide(unless that person kills themselves after killing others), but I don't understand why they would do this in such a public fashion. Anyone that viewed that will now be scarred for life, and I liken it to "suicide by cop". Do they not think that the police officer that had to shoot them wouldn't be haunted by the act of shooting someone, particularly when it comes to light that the person used the police officer as their chosen method of suicide? The police officers and the people viewing this are both scarred by incidents like this.
 
oleoleolanda
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Hero worship aside: How much safer is the world at large?? Is there any end to the ongoing wars that are causing this type of distress to the "heros" that have to contend with situations that are beyond description.??

Is Afghanistan any safer and better now?? It has been over a decade of war there........ is it working for them??

Under the Taliban a woman could be "safe" if she was a complete slave, rejected the possibility of freedom, rights, and wore a head-to-toe sack. Fighting for freedom and rights has never been a safe thing. Fighting fascists and fascist ideologies is dangerous and risky business! But yes, the world is "safer" in that we are succeeding slowly against bringing down an ideology that had declared war on all of us.

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Maybe each nation has the right to develope on its own rate with its own objectives in mind with consideration to their own cultural beliefs.

Afghanistan prior to the Taliban was a far more modern nation when it came to women's rights. So was Iran prior to the Islamist victory. In fact, across most Muslim majority countries, the rise of the fascist Islamist ideology hurled the social and cultural values backwards. Are Afghanistani women who have even during the Taliban period fought for women's rights any less Afghanistani than the Taliban, who were in fact influenced by an ideology that was born and raised in the Middle East?

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No nation has the right to invade and do a regime change while destroying the infrastructure and killing thousands. That is just one gov't ideology.

First, we and our allies have built infrastructure in Afghanistan, and our soldiers have participated in this. Second of all, with your mindset, fascism and Nazism would have taken over Europe and beyond in the 20th century, no nation would ever intervene to stop genocide in another nation, etc.

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Canadians are not naive...... suspect they are a lot more realistic and humanitarian as a rule. They are not inclined to go off half cocked into wars with out considering all the implications , let alone an exit strategy in the plan. Good thing that Canadians do not have an obsessive hero worship of their military , their celebs etc etc. As that puts things into an unrealistic rhelm and with dangersous expectations .

I hardly think it is humanitarian and realistic to be anti-military, as you seem to be. Pacifism feels better and nicer. But non-intervention pacifists once argued against getting involved in the war against Hitler while Jews, and Roma, and gays, and Jehovah's Witness were being thrown into concentration camps and gas chambers. It is naive and self-serving to believe that if we just avoid conflict and conflict, love and peace will prevail. When you are faced with an aggressive, fascist ideology such as radical Islamism or Nazism, you're facing a group of people who will not stop until defeated, who see war as a perpetual goal and will butcher and murder, repress and oppress.

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There are no heros in ELECTIVE wars of choice. Regardless of the stated propaganda that was used to start them. There is far to much that the public does not know.......and to buy into the propaganda .....ie Kool Aid......is only decieving onself.

Our governments failed to educate us on the fact that a fascist ideology had spread across much of the Muslim world, an ideology as threatening and lethal as European fascism once was. Without an understanding of this, naive and ill informed people believed and theorized the reasons for the war in Afghanistan or Iraq or against terrorism (one of the war methods used by Islamists) were all kinds of silly opportunitistic things that ultimately are irrational. No, it wasn't for oil, it wasn't western imperialism, no, it wasn't for any of the conspiracy theories out there. It is the conspiracy theories that are kool aid and Pablum, easy superficial, ideologically and politically motivated theories.

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How is the current fragile world better?? These aggressions have affected the economy.....and that is affecting everyone. The last decade has seen a deterioation of so many issues , it is hard to imagine how they wiill be either resolved , corrected or a new course established to ;move forward.

The current fragile world is better because over the last decades we've had significant pushback against Islamism, whose followers seek nothing else than world domination, a Taliban-like earth, achieved one country at a time and by waging terrorist war against Western nations, as well as non-Islamist Muslims. The world still has problems, we still have conflicts, we're still facing the challenges and messes that go along with adapting to progress, globalization, etc. That's hard stuff. But that's human life and reality.

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That poor Soldier's action is a symptom of a far greater problem........and that is the harsh fact of all this.

That's not a fact. That's just a very destructive belief associated with the type of pacifist mentality that has the blood of many on its lilly white holier than thou hands.
 

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