Oil for Asia, higher gas prices in Canada due to a lack of local refining capacity

dumpthemonarchy

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Here's economic globalisation for you. Kinder Morgan wants to twin a pipeline from the oil sands so they can sell more oil to Asia. While they say in BC gas prices remain high due to a lack of refining capacity, and the summer driving season is long over. Basically, Asia is getting our energy because they are willing to pay more for it. We in BC have to put up with higher gas prices as a result and we don't get the additional refining capacity to lower our gas prices. I think the oil companies like Kinder Morgan are making a killing off us anyway, and even more off Asia. We should get more refining capacity first, of our energy, not Asia. This needs to change.



Kinder Morgan's Grand Plan to Pipe Oil Sands Crude

Tankers in Vancouver harbour to steeply increase. Second pipeline to Kitimat could eclipse proposed Enbridge project.
By Mitchell Anderson, 2 Jun 2011, TheTyee.ca




Tanker passing through Second Narrows in Burrard Inlet.





A quiet application to the National Energy Board (NEB) may soon vastly expand oil tanker traffic through the waters of Burrard Inlet, making Vancouver the major conduit of oils sands crude and bitumen to China.


Trans Mountain Pipeline, a subsidiary of Kinder Morgan that operates the 300,000 barrel per day (bpd) pipeline from Alberta to B.C. and Washington State has applied to the NEB to enter into long-term buying contracts called "firm service."

They are also requesting to divert more Alberta crude and bitumen capacity to the Westbridge tanker terminal in Burrard Inlet and away from existing land-based refineries in B.C. and Washington. If approved, this would immediately expand crude capacity through

Vancouver from 52,000 bpd to 79,000 bpd -- an increase of more than 50 per cent.

Documents filed by Kinder Morgan also state that revenues from this new funding model would be used to further expand the pipeline capacity to the Burnaby tanker terminal to 450,000 bpd -- a six-fold increase.

Power point reveals aims

A power point presentation for investors by Ian Anderson, president of Kinder Morgan Canada Group, provides a wealth of information that has not been widely shared with the general public or local governments:






• Kinder Morgan plans to dredge Second Narrows channel to allow larger Suezmax tankers that can carry 1 million barrels of crude -- four times as much as spilled from the Exxon Valdez.
• These larger vessels will save shippers $1.50 per barrel.
• Tanker transits through Vancouver will increase to 288 per year in 2016, up from 71 in 2010 and 22 in 2005.*
• Port Metro Vancouver is "supportive of expansion."
• "Trans Mountain can be expanded in stages to access growing demand offshore in China."

All of this is happening with remarkably little scrutiny or even awareness in the Lower Mainland. Of the 18 legal interveners in Kinder Morgan's application, 17 are oil companies and one is from the Alberta government.

The B.C. government specifically declined to be involved in the decision that would greatly scale up tanker traffic off our coast, through our largest city. No environmental or public interest groups applied to be involved in the NEB application.

'Rearguard' pipeline to Kitimat

While there has been enormous interest and opposition to the proposed Enbridge Northern Gateway pipeline, this project is likely years away and must overcome pending legal challenges from several First Nations along the route.
In fact, these obstacles are being trumpeted by Kinder Morgan to their investors. They point out that expanding their existing pipeline to Vancouver is cheaper by $1.5 billion than the proposed Enbridge pipeline, and avoids mounting opposition to constructing a new right of way.




Tanker traffic in Port of Vancouver rose steeply in last decade. Kinder Morgan's proposal entails even more dramatic growth. Source: Kinder Morgan presentation.


The eventual tanker capacity through Vancouver will be more than 80 per cent what is proposed by Enbridge. The waters beneath the Second Narrows bridge in Vancouver's harbour, because of their relative shallowness and strong tidal currents, flowing through a narrow passage that includes the obstacle of the bridge, pose special navigational challenge according to safety experts.
Kinder Morgan is also assuring investors that they could also construct a "rearguard" pipeline to Kitimat from their existing southern route.



Kinder Morgan's proposed alternative to Enbridge 'Gateway' pipeline from Alberta's oil sands. Source: Kinder Morgan power point.



Remarkably, the strongest opposition to the Kinder Morgan application seems to be from another oil company. Tesoro Canada filed a 50-page information request to Trans Mountain Pipeline as part of the NEB process.

Tesoro appears to be hostile to the Kinder Morgan plan because it would divert more pipeline capacity away from land-based refineries to offshore buyers. According to their website, Tesoro "operates seven refineries in the western United States with a combined capacity of approximately 665,000 barrels per day."

The deadline for Kinder Morgan to reply to Tesoro information request is June 3. Stay tuned for updates on this developing story of how Vancouver, the "greenest city in the world," may quietly become the main tanker route for oil sands crude bound for China.
 

Johnnny

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I agree the Western Provinces should have more refining plants and capabilities. Were building the keystone pipeline to send our synthetic crude from our Athabasca Bitmuin feilds to America to only buy back at a premium. Its no wonder china is also outbuying our CRUDE oil also..... If the world wants the oil from out of our "oilsands" they should have to buy the finished product.
 

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Operating a refinery is a very expensive (and dirty) proposition. You can make a pile of money when things are good, but you can also get your ass handed to you as well.

There's a lot of jurisdictional competition that goes on to get a refinery in place...They spend in the range of a billion dollars to build it and they also create a lot of jobs.
 

taxslave

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Does anyone here want a shiny new refinery in their back yard?

That is a large part of the problem. Our part of the world is full of NOPEs, NIMBYs, and BANANAS. And they even wonder why young people are leaving the island to go to Alberta for jobs when there are lots of jobs mowing rich peoples lawns and serving them lattes and changing diapers on rich old retirees right here. Minimum wage of course.

Dumpy: I hate to be the one to break your bubble but Kinder Morgan does not own the oil or the wells. They are just the transportation company and are not responsible for the price rise.
 

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I am familiar with NIMBYs, but NOPE's and BANANAS are foreign to me.

Can you expand on those 2 please?

I hate to be the one to break your bubble but Kinder Morgan does not own the oil or the wells. They are just the transportation company and are not responsible for the price rise.

If you read through the OP a bit, you'll see the reference to China is willing to buy the oil at a higher price... DTM should be directing his angst towards the Asian buyers that are driving the price way up, not to mention the fed and prov taxes that double and triple the cost of the product at the pumps.
 

petros

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If they like tenting they should go clearing the right of way. The moonbeam greens can plant trees once the line is in.
 

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That is a large part of the problem. Our part of the world is full of NOPEs, NIMBYs, and BANANAS. And they even wonder why young people are leaving the island to go to Alberta for jobs when there are lots of jobs mowing rich peoples lawns and serving them lattes and changing diapers on rich old retirees right here. Minimum wage of course.

Dumpy: I hate to be the one to break your bubble but Kinder Morgan does not own the oil or the wells. They are just the transportation company and are not responsible for the price rise.

KM is just the vehicle. The fact is our corporate elites are willing to sell out to foreign interests because now they know they are now the power to be reckoned with. Oops, there are no more foreigners with globalisation, we're all one happy family now under the big daddy that will tell us how it is.

It's like journalists supporting immigration, they get no competition from Asians or Africans coming into the country. And like economists, they are little affected in the price of gas because they make above the average wage. Economists just talk mumbo jumbo from their puppet masters. We need a govt commission here to make sure we get the cheap fuel first.
 

petros

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We need a govt commission here to make sure we get the cheap fuel first.
Now why the hell would you want to piss Canadians off by ensuring their needs are met first and foremost. Bloody commie.
 

taxslave

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I am familiar with NIMBYs, but NOPE's and BANANAS are foreign to me.

Can you expand on those 2 please?



If you read through the OP a bit, you'll see the reference to China is willing to buy the oil at a higher price... DTM should be directing his angst towards the Asian buyers that are driving the price way up, not to mention the fed and prov taxes that double and triple the cost of the product at the pumps.

NIMBY-Not In My Back Yard
NOPE- Not On Planet Earth
BANANA- Ban Anything Near Anywhere

KM is just the vehicle. The fact is our corporate elites are willing to sell out to foreign interests because now they know they are now the power to be reckoned with. Oops, there are no more foreigners with globalisation, we're all one happy family now under the big daddy that will tell us how it is.

It's like journalists supporting immigration, they get no competition from Asians or Africans coming into the country. And like economists, they are little affected in the price of gas because they make above the average wage. Economists just talk mumbo jumbo from their puppet masters. We need a govt commission here to make sure we get the cheap fuel first.

I would support a made in Canada price for domestic consumption that reflects a fair profit on the cost of production and anything over and above our domestic needs can be exported to the highest bidder. Provided the governments get a fair royalty and taxes.