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Commonwealth leaders still haggling over how to handle human rights reforms - The Globe and Mail

Commonwealth leaders talked through the day at a summit Saturday without nailing down how to deal with urgent human rights reforms deemed critical to the organization's survival.

The 54-member Commonwealth is still haggling over how to hive off various reform recommendations, despite dire warnings from an “eminent person's panel” that failure to act immediately will imperil the association.


An internal, 200-page report flatly asserted that the future of the Commonwealth is in peril if it can't credibly address human rights, democratic and rule-of-law abuses by some of its member states.

The panel's report, which officially remains under wraps but has been widely leaked, baldly asserts that possibly terminal rot has set into the Commonwealth due to its silence about abuses, including forced marriages, laws against homosexuality and political repression.

Among other things, the report calls for a new commissioner of human rights to investigate abuses, and the repeal of anti-gay laws that still exist in 41 Commonwealth nations.

The report speaks frankly of a “decay that has set into the body of the organization, and one that will occasion the association's irrelevance — if not actual demise — unless it is promptly addressed.”

The malaise was reflected in the fact that only 36 of 54 countries sent their heads of government to this year's summit, despite the attendance of the Queen.

That those leaders couldn't even agree to publicly release the report was deemed “a disgrace” Saturday by British panellist Sir Malcolm Rifkind, a former foreign minister.

“Clearly there are some people at this meeting for whom silence is the best option,” said Conservative Senator Hugh Segal, Canada's representative on the panel.

“Would silence have been a way to bring apartheid to an end?”

The Commonwealth of a previous generation was instrumental in shining an international spotlight on member nation South Africa's systemic racial discrimination.

South Africa, Namibia and India are among the countries who now object to the proposal for a rights commissioner.

It appeared late Saturday that the creation of that office, along with other key recommendations, would get punted to a future foreign minister's meeting for deliberation.

India's foreign secretary, Ranjan Mathai, was quoted by Indian media as saying his country opposes the new office because it would be a costly duplication of work already being done by the United Nations.

Mr. Mathai said there was a “lively debate” over the panel report's recommendations, and diplomatically suggested that the notion of a rights commissioner needs “further examination and clarification in many areas.”

Sir Ronald Sanders, who represents small Commonwealth states on the report team, likened any such move as having the recommendations “kicked into the high grass.”

But the pre-emptive barrage from the panel appointed in 2009 to revitalize the Commonwealth appeared to fall on deaf ears.

The leaders' talks were characterized by insiders as meandering rather than acrimonious, suggesting a puzzling lack of urgency.

And a sudden and unexpected lock-out Saturday by Australia's national airline, Quantas, over a labour dispute also taxed the resources of summit host, Australia's pro-labour Prime Minister Julia Gillard.

Seventeen delegations at the meeting had booked flights home on Quantas, further throwing the conference into disarray.

The day was not, however, entirely a write-off.

Canada announced it will spend an additional $600 million over three years on sustainable agricultural development, more than doubling its original aid pledge from the 2009 G8 summit.

Harper also announced increased aid for a decade-old global polio eradication program, committing another $15 million over the next two years toward that goal, adding to the $348 million Canada has spent since 2000.
 

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Canada should withdraw ASAP. Says here:


Human rights abuser granted new powers at Commonwealth meet | Columnists | Opinion | Edmonton Sun

The Washington-based independent think tank The Fund for Peace compiles an annual “Failed States Index,” a proxy, if you will, for measuring a country’s commitment to the “rule of law.” Many of our Commonwealth “cousins” rank right up there on this list of shame including Pakistan, Nigeria, Kenya, Uganda, Cameroon, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.
 

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Why not leave the UN too while we're at it seeing as those countries are in that group as well.
 

Bar Sinister

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Right - I have an idea. Instead of attempting to convince other nations to reform Canada should simply withdraw from every organization of which the current government disapproves. We could similarly withdraw from every trade agreement that doesn't go Canada's way 100% of the time and repudiate all treaties that contain elements Canada does not like. Canada would then be free to have everything its own way just like ... umm - let's see - North Korea and Myanmar.
 

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Right - I have an idea. Instead of attempting to convince other nations to reform Canada should simply withdraw from every organization of which the current government disapproves. We could similarly withdraw from every trade agreement that doesn't go Canada's way 100% of the time and repudiate all treaties that contain elements Canada does not like. Canada would then be free to have everything its own way just like ... umm - let's see - North Korea and Myanmar.
But we could be soooo self righteous in our isolation.

It might also give us a chance to evaluate our own record of human rights abuses and clean out our own closets.
 

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Why not leave the UN too while we're at it seeing as those countries are in that group as well.

The head of the UN, Ban Ki-moon didn't get his position because he was born into it. Do we as Canadians believe that all people are born equal or do we believe in the divine right of kings? That is the first question that needs to be asked whether we wish to change or remain in the CW
 

WLDB

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The head of the UN, Ban Ki-moon didn't get his position because he was born into it. Do we as Canadians believe that all people are born equal or do we believe in the divine right of kings? That is the first question that needs to be asked whether we wish to change or remain in the CW

I have a feeling the majority may not believe in the devine right of Kings or the monarchy, but good luck convincing them or the government to open the constitution to fix the various inconsistencies and problems with it.
 

Cannuck

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I have a feeling the majority may not believe in the devine right of Kings or the monarchy, but good luck convincing them or the government to open the constitution to fix the various inconsistencies and problems with it.

That's one of the big problems we face today. It's too difficult to deal with problems so lets not deal with it. This isn't just the case when it come to the constitution. It permeates every aspect of our politics.
 

dumpthemonarchy

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Yes waste billions every year -

Every organisation that does not give me money personally, I think is a waste. Let's get serious here. Some organisations simply lose steam over time. While both the UN and the CW have human rights abusers in them, we can leave one quite easily with few international ramifications. India and South Africa blocked human rights inquiries.

Britain made the British empire, let them work its legacy. They had the power and the great white queen Africans looked to. It is Britain that has had a relationship for centuries with these lands and people that we have not. We're just hangers on. I find it somewhat embarassing. These are empty bureaucratic shells here. Toss'em.
 

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We are insisting on putting conditions on other parts of the world. This is a side show
and the commonwealth was never subjected to that before. Human rights were not an
in issue in the past, and the only reason it is now is because our leaders are being
scrutinized by social media and public access to information
Where were these western leaders when the companies first took their business operations
to these countries without human rights and environmental standards? Now that they are
gone and are making money they say nothing about it with any substance.
If they were serious, they would put and embargo on China and Vietnam like they did on
Cuba. Oh no they are in bed with those same companies that destroyed our economy.
They pretend to be concerned about others but it is little more than a show.
Remember good words must be backed up by good deeds and these politicians are about
Lip Service and nothing more.
 

dumpthemonarchy

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Well, now human rights are an issue in Canada and the CW is not doing well here. And this is a problem in Asia and Africa because it is a violent and turbulent place that doesn't really offer us much right now. We can't be part of every bureaucratic organisation in the world, it costs money you know. Some have long passed their expiry date and the CW is one. We need to keep a safe political distance from them.

These countries want business, but some groups inside countries don't want to get ahead, they want rents and to stay the way they have always have. Canadian companies should do whatever they can to further human rights and environmental standards, and if they don't they should get negative publicity. The third world is a messy place.