Policing Poverty ( Securing Homelessness )


YukonJack
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#31
When I was young and poor and broke I had the choice of being homeless or work underground in the mines. Since I was even then grown up enough and honest enough and smart enough and proud and sel-respecting enough, I opted for the latter.
 
GreenFish66
#32
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Most of the Problems are due to Addictions/Mental, Physical Disabilites/ Criminal Backgrounds..


Solutions?

Mental/Physical Disabilites ... Not too much can be done about this ...These people need places to live/Dignity..
.Perhaps appartments specifically set up for these needs...Including proper Security and Social assistance .In house medical.
All in 1 building...

Preferably a Green/CleanTech Building of the Future...Where they can contribute to their own livelyhood..

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Addictions - Most addicts are addicted to pharmaceuticals...Fewer to Street Drugs ..( I am for ..Injection sites )

Appartment Buildings specifically for these addicts...They will be given a place to live provided they attend required classes..
If they fail to attend these required meetings , or spend their rent on drugs ...They will be sent to a more secure Building ...Halfway house, where they will remain, until they prove they deserve their freedom again ...

If addicts do not accept the terms of the rental contract , ending up homeless on the street ...They will be arrested and incarcerated...Only way out is to take manditory classes until the holding facility is satisfied you deserve to leave...

This structure already exists ... Just broken and abused by Government Bureaucracies...This system should be streamlined ..

Yes to injection sites...

Those who want to be helped ... Should be helped ...
Those who don't ..and break the law ...Will be made to conform to the laws of the land...

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Criminal Backgrounds... All need a chance for rehabilatation .Unfortunately for all .These people are often not given the chance to prove they can be productive .

Conditional Pardons should be automatically granted after 10 yrs without re-offending....

I believe In Jail House Programs should be manditory... Including addictions programs/ Adjustment programs / Back to work programs\ Living Programs.......


Alll should be Given Food and shelter if they can prove they deserve it ...

The rest ...Will rot in their cell..

$12, 000 a yr for food and shelter should be the manditory saftey net ... with Manditory Addictions programs/ Adjustment programs / Back to work programs\ Living Programs

No free Handouts...If An Addict goes to a social worker at a dropin center/Shelter begging for rent money , after spending it all on drugs ..They should be given the money ONLY if they accept the Manditory requirements listed above..

All could Contribute , live a Good healthy/ Productive lifestyle ...in A Green/CleanTech Building of the Future...

forums.canadiancontent.net/ne...lean-tech.html (external - login to view)


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There are always people worse off ...Who have bettered themselves..
I've seen it many times..

These people should be Commended/Rewarded/ Acknowledged for their efforts...

Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJackView Post

When I was young and poor and broke I had the choice of being homeless or work underground in the mines. Since I was even then grown up enough and honest enough and smart enough and proud and sel-respecting enough, I opted for the latter.


That's the proud/productive way to go Yukon Jack ..As long as the wage and health benefits are acceptable ...Although I worry .. more and more every year, people are being forced to make that very decision .It doesn't seem like much of a choice..Work for nothing or ..Surviving off nothing, in unacceptable conditions..

People should not be forced to be Zombie Slave Drones

We should all be productive Citizens..( Manditory Voting ? anyway)

It is unacceptable, especially in a 1st world country ...
Last edited by GreenFish66; Jun 21st, 2011 at 08:55 PM..
 
Bar Sinister
#33
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Well Bar, when folks like you traffik in innuendo and speculation, all that is left for the reader is to apply their individual interpretation.

Yes I guess you are right about that. Why don't you give it up?

BTW do you even know what innuendo means?

I note that as usual were were unable to refute anything in my post.
Last edited by Bar Sinister; Jun 21st, 2011 at 11:19 PM..Reason: Adding comment
 
captain morgan
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#34
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar SinisterView Post

Yes I guess you are right about that. Why don't you give it up?

BTW do you even know what innuendo means?


No thanks on the giving up part, I leave that to folks like yourself.

As per your question on the meaning of innuendo, well, I could provide an academic definition that would be along the lines of your theoretical, text-book world; but the real working meaning would still be lost on you.

As the old expression goes: Those who can, do: Those who can't, teach.
 
GreenFish66
#35
Living Wage = $12-$14/hr ...$14+ with vehicle ...Is why I think it's important for Car manufacturers to pay a Living Wage...

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Another way to go for the previously mentioned Groups (Recovering Addicts/Special Needs/Ex Cons/Homeless) could be a Co-operative Communitee Living model.

Where residents are required to contribute/ Work in their assigned communitee inorder to recieve Housing/Benefits ...
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" Step up " Model might look something like ;

Homeless - Monitored/Regulated Apartment Building(Green/Clean Tech Building of the future )
- Co-op Communitee living -Productive Self Sufficient Citizen.

Ex-Con - Halfway House/Shelter - Monitored Apartment Building(Green/Clean Tech Building) -
Co-Op Communitee Living - Productive Self Sufficient Citizen ..

Recovering Addict - Mandatory Rehab facility - Monitored Apartment Building (Green/Clean Tech Building) - Co-Op Communitee Living - Productive Self Suffient Citizen( with temporary, mandatory check ups ) ...

Special Needs - Monitored Apartment Building(Green/Clean Tech Building) - Co-Op Communitee Living - Productive Self Suffient Citizen( All with necessary assistance) ...
Last edited by GreenFish66; Jun 22nd, 2011 at 08:56 AM..
 
Bar Sinister
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#36
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

No thanks on the giving up part, I leave that to folks like yourself.

As per your question on the meaning of innuendo, well, I could provide an academic definition that would be along the lines of your theoretical, text-book world; but the real working meaning would still be lost on you.

As the old expression goes: Those who can, do: Those who can't, teach.

So you say, but that expression is quoted most often by those who are incapable of learning. I believe that fits you to a T. And in this thread as in all of the others in which we have crossed swords I notice that once again you have run out of intelligent things to say. Come to think of it it is quite rare for you to have anything intelligent to say.
 
YukonJack
-2
#37
"BTW do you even know what innuendo means?"

I heard 'innuendo' is the Italian word for Preparation H.
 
captain morgan
-2
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar SinisterView Post

So you say, but that expression is quoted most often by those who are incapable of learning. I believe that fits you to a T. And in this thread as in all of the others in which we have crossed swords I notice that once again you have run out of intelligent things to say. Come to think of it it is quite rare for you to have anything intelligent to say.

What a hoot... This coming from one that expresses their expert opinion based on subjective experience and anecdotal evidence? Sorry Bar, that expression is quoted by those that do and whose work supports the efforts of those that can't.

You're choked-up because I've taken a run at your precious union or have debunked you're incorrect assertions on European healthcare. I have provided you with support for my statements and even encouraged you to find the info yourself, but in your typical internet debating style, your response is to demand 'links' and then question the validity of the link. It's predictable... Too predictable.

Go out and learn something for yourself and maybe you can talk intelligently about the issues.

No wonder our education system is in a shambles with the likes of you leading the youth down the wrong path.
Last edited by captain morgan; Jun 23rd, 2011 at 08:03 AM..
 
GreenFish66
+1
#39
Stay on topic, go pander handle Somewhere else..NO Loiterin'.Move Along ...Damn Freeloaders..Don't wanna read ya's bickerin' No More....Your scarin' away the viewers..

Sound Like a couple a Ol' Ladies fightin' over the last Bingo Ticket...

Stick your innuenndo talk...InurEndo..
Last edited by GreenFish66; Jun 23rd, 2011 at 07:06 PM..
 
captain morgan
+1 / -1
#40
These threads evolve... Not every post is going to be a wholesale agreement with your point of view.
 
lone wolf
+1
#41
Some folk just don't like the idea of a rising bottom line because their own butts get closer to it....
 
Bar Sinister
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

What a hoot... This coming from one that expresses their expert opinion based on subjective experience and anecdotal evidence? Sorry Bar, that expression is quoted by those that do and whose work supports the efforts of those that can't.

You're choked-up because I've taken a run at your precious union or have debunked you're incorrect assertions on European healthcare. I have provided you with support for my statements and even encouraged you to find the info yourself, but in your typical internet debating style, your response is to demand 'links' and then question the validity of the link. It's predictable... Too predictable.

Go out and learn something for yourself and maybe you can talk intelligently about the issues.

No wonder our education system is in a shambles with the likes of you leading the youth down the wrong path.

Forgive me - I must have missed all of the links in your replies to my posts. Typically you are accusing me of your own failings.

The fact is that if you cannot provide any evidence whatsoever to back up your assertions then your posts are pretty much useless. For the most part your replies to any topic end up[ being the equivalent of a little boy in a school yard yelling "No it isn't." while everyone else laughs at him. As usual you are stuck with your usual tactic of last resort - unable to find any facts to support your point of view you resort to character assassination. I think you missed your calling - you would make an excellent FOX News commentator.

So far as I can see you have failed to prove a single point in this thread and unless you can come up with something new this is my last reply in this thread. But I am looking forward to raining on your right wing parade in the future.
 
petros
#43
2/3 of the planet live in homes made of dirt. It's plentiful, it's free and it's warm in winter and cool in summer. What is a decent spade worth these days? $10?
 
captain morgan
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#44
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar SinisterView Post

Forgive me - I must have missed all of the links in your replies to my posts. Typically you are accusing me of your own failings.


No need to accuse you BS, you showcase your own folly everytime you post.

Quote: Originally Posted by Bar SinisterView Post

this is my last reply in this thread.


Thank God... Please actually live up to your word this time.
 
GreenFish66
#45
If 1 disagrees/disproves 1 , and another 1 leaves ...Does that mean #1 won? ( again ). Even if it has nothing to do with the original 1?...
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1-1-1+1= 1..?..

No one, should be left with nothing.
Last edited by GreenFish66; Jun 24th, 2011 at 09:31 AM..
 
GreenFish66
#46
Are there Too many Temp Agenies? ( Granted some are better than others )

They seem to be Popping up everywhere.Taking The Wanna Workers $$$, Offering limited stability .A Living Lifeless, Lifestyle... None seem to have any substantial Work .If they have any work to offer at all ..

Industry seems to take advantage of these agencies/Working poor ...

Unemployable/ Special needs/Temp Workers, Caught in a Cycle of Poverty? ...Destine to a Life of..Homelessness and Hunger?.

.Not in the " Step Up " Model ...( Above )..Temp agencies would be on site to assist residents in finding good sustainable jobs, that pay a living wage..

Everyone should have a place to call HOME...To Live..
Not to just Barely survive..Especially in a 1st world Country...
Last edited by GreenFish66; Jun 24th, 2011 at 09:09 PM..
 
GreenFish66
#47
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Good paying work that allows people to Live a Long and Rewarding Lifestyle is all most are looking for ..Hard to find ...More so every year ..

Good paying work will keep most out of Poverty/Prison ... Most just aren't given the chance..Get's harder and Harder every year to find Good work that pays a living wage..( Without a Top Notch Education and Families of Priveledge)

Perhaps it's time to give those who have more $$$ than they could possibly spend in 15 lifetimes, a chance to Spread the wealth a little more..( a lot more )

More Philanthropists needed..

http://giving.wordpress.com/2011/02/...0-news-2-7-11/ (external - login to view) - Top Philanthropists Gave less in past 2 years..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_454215.html (external - login to view) - 50 Top Philanthropists ..

Live Long and Prosper...
 
Unforgiven
#48
It occurs to me that we as a species love bureaucracy. We build them at every turn and in one form or another, for the most part, make a living off of them. It seems the less sophisticated create them from a military stand point. Africa is full of them. Military where government doesn't manifest itself. From what you need to enter or leave a country to makeshift check points all through each country. Some nothing more than two guys in the middle of nowhere looking for a bribe.

No different than here really in the traffic cop hiding around the corner to collect a tax for coasting at half a mile an hour at a stop sign while you scan to make sure it is safe to proceed. He's just making his daily quota the same as the two guys in Chad on a lonely road.
 
cranky
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#49
Quote: Originally Posted by UnforgivenView Post

It occurs to me that we as a species love bureaucracy. We build them at every turn and in one form or another, for the most part, make a living off of them. It seems the less sophisticated create them from a military stand point. Africa is full of them. Military where government doesn't manifest itself. From what you need to enter or leave a country to makeshift check points all through each country. Some nothing more than two guys in the middle of nowhere looking for a bribe.

No different than here really in the traffic cop hiding around the corner to collect a tax for coasting at half a mile an hour at a stop sign while you scan to make sure it is safe to proceed. He's just making his daily quota the same as the two guys in Chad on a lonely road.

Thats is not the best analogy, a traffic cop tax is delivered only to traffic violators.if you dont like speeding tickets then dont speed.
 
petros
+1
#50
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

2/3 of the planet live in homes made of dirt. It's plentiful, it's free and it's warm in winter and cool in summer. What is a decent spade worth these days? $10?

All these homes are made from dirt for 1/3 the cost....


rammed earth homes - Google Search (external - login to view)
 
Unforgiven
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by crankyView Post

Thats is not the best analogy, a traffic cop tax is delivered only to traffic violators.if you dont like speeding tickets then dont speed.

You're an idiot.
 
GreenFish66
+1
#52
There's a law for everything ..
If a cop wants to charge you ..He/She can find something ...
Best to nod and say .. Yes sir/Mam...( till they leave ) ...
Then bring the charge to court, if you still feel it is ..." Unjust" ...
Good Luck...

We live more in a Legal system, than a Justice system ...
 
Unforgiven
+1
#53
Quote: Originally Posted by GreenFish66View Post

There's a law for everything ..
If a cop wants to charge you ..He/She can find something ...
Best to nod and say .. Yes sir/Mam...( till they leave ) ...
Then bring the charge to court, if you still feel it is ..." Unjust" ...
Good Luck...

We live more in a Legal system, than a Justice system ...

Record them and upload it to you tube. The media gets more action than those charged with guarding our freedoms from abuse from within.
 
GreenFish66
#54
I would rather work to Alleviate/Eradicate Poverty, than to work at getting a Few Fat Cats Even/Ever Fatter..
 
captain morgan
#55
Quote: Originally Posted by GreenFish66View Post

I would rather work to Alleviate/Eradicate Poverty, than to work at getting a Few Fat Cats Even/Ever Fatter..


That sounds great... What's the plan?
 
Nuggler
+1
#56
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf

Why don't they have a home? Spend too much time looking for places to rent at the pub? Bag of weed shorting them on damage deposit? Too good to live in a bachelor pad until they can find something bigger? Too good to walk or car pool to work? Apparently they haven't made enough sacrifices to find a home.


My cousin used to spout crap like that while he sat on his *** on the very successful farm he inherited from his dad.

Very easy to be above it all when you're healthy, gainfully employed, and the wolf isn't at your door.
 
GreenFish66
#57
fat cat
n. Slang 1. A wealthy and highly privileged person.
2. A wealthy person who is a heavy contributor to a political campaign


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More and More become Poor, As Fat Cats Sit on their asses, in their extravagant Offices, in Meetings, eating up, Ever More , Scheming up ways, to shovel in, ever More.
Ignoring the calls from their Own, to come home.Join the Family/Friends for supper, in their luxurious houses, far too large, to ever be used.Most rooms sit empty.Possessions hold no life.

But there, still in the office , He/She sits alone, on the phone, with other like minded phoneys.Playing and Gaming each other, to gain off the other, that which is far too often, not even their own .

They are addicted.They have been blinded, inflicted by Greed, the insatiable appetite for Ever More $Green$.
They have more than most could spend in 15 lifetimes, Few Even More..An Addiction to a game ," The game "that only seems to end in Crashs, negative Gains..

When will they learn ?

Even the Rich can be poor ...Sure they have the $$ ...But Physically/Mentally due to their Addictions to Ever More..Most will end up ..Alone .indebted..With nothing that they can actually call their Own ....


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At some point in their lives, more than not will feel the hunger pains of poverty.Poverty doesn't discriminate..
Comes in many different Forms ...

Unfortunately, Poverty mostly Preys on the Mentally/Physically challenged, and those with Addictions(Crime lurks close behind) ..
It is time the extravagantly Rich,The Fattest of the Fat Cats, put their money where their mouth is, and better assist in helping these Families Regain/Find a more Acceptable/Comfortable/Affordable Future..
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May we keep our Friends and Family, Happy/Healthy/Safe.May they Live Long and Prosper, Now and Forever Forward into the Future...
All together ..As 1

Peace....
Last edited by GreenFish66; Sep 28th, 2011 at 07:00 PM..
 
captain morgan
#58
Quote: Originally Posted by GreenFish66View Post

I would rather work to Alleviate/Eradicate Poverty, than to work at getting a Few Fat Cats Even/Ever Fatter..


So... What's your plan?
 
GreenFish66
#59
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

So... What's your plan?

R U Serious Captain Morgan ..? .With all due Respect. I thought you could read ...
Do you have any further solutions you might want to add ?.
Gotta Plan .?
.If so " STEP UP "
Last edited by GreenFish66; Sep 28th, 2011 at 07:22 PM..
 
DurkaDurka
+1
#60
Quote: Originally Posted by GreenFish66View Post

R U Serious Captain Morgan ..? .With all due Respect. I thought you could read ...
Do you have any further solutions you might want to add ?.
Gotta Plan .?
.If so " STEP UP "


Do you have any solutions? I live in Toronto and many of the homeless people I see are totally incapable of living on their own or holding a job for that matter, they're mentally ill for the most part. On my way to work this morning, I saw a black gent skipping across University Ave, wearing only jogging pants, singing broadway tunes... yup, he's ready to manage his life.
 

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