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September 21st, 2007, 09:22 PM
Years ago I watched NG in a study of wolves and caribou. The wolves had a system. They would anticipate the direction the herd was going to travel, and a large pack would split into a number of small groups of two or three. Then space themselves out in a specific pattern using the landscape to their advantage.
They would cut a small group out of the herd and chase them into the next pair of wolves who would pick up the chase, and in turn to the next pair and so on to run the Cariboo down to exhaustion, then simple kill the animal while it was too tired to fight off the attack.
Just the complexity and the fore thought of where to be and how to spread out and driving the Caribou knowing they would get it in the end even though the two who started the attack weren't in on the kill miles along the track.
I think what I found most interesting is that they understood the concept of cooperation and were cognitive of future eventualities. And all of it goes on right under our noses for the most part not even noticed until something spectacular comes along like the clip here to really bring it forward.
Yeah too many documentaries. heh heh
Quoting #juan
It so amazing to look at nature and understand or hope to understand what's in play during these extraordinary events.
Yes it did work well. Two or three years ago on National Geographic or Nova or one of those, there was a two hour special on a pride of lions and the local pack, group, whatever the collective word is for a bunch of Hyenas. Anyway......The females of the pride had brought down a wildebeest and the hyenas moved in and drove them off the kill and actually put about six or seven lionesses up a tree. Later, the males were back and when the hyenas got too close the big male lions killed a couple. Still later one of the big male lions ran the dominant hyena down on the open plain and killed her.
In Karrie's video, a couple of big males if they were there, might have pulled down another buffalo and that might have changed the complexion of the whole battle........maybe.....
In Karrie's video, a couple of big males if they were there, might have pulled down another buffalo and that might have changed the complexion of the whole battle........maybe.....
Years ago I watched NG in a study of wolves and caribou. The wolves had a system. They would anticipate the direction the herd was going to travel, and a large pack would split into a number of small groups of two or three. Then space themselves out in a specific pattern using the landscape to their advantage.
They would cut a small group out of the herd and chase them into the next pair of wolves who would pick up the chase, and in turn to the next pair and so on to run the Cariboo down to exhaustion, then simple kill the animal while it was too tired to fight off the attack.
Just the complexity and the fore thought of where to be and how to spread out and driving the Caribou knowing they would get it in the end even though the two who started the attack weren't in on the kill miles along the track.
I think what I found most interesting is that they understood the concept of cooperation and were cognitive of future eventualities. And all of it goes on right under our noses for the most part not even noticed until something spectacular comes along like the clip here to really bring it forward.
Yeah too many documentaries. heh heh
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September 24th, 2007, 10:44 AM
The water buffalo in Karrie's clip definitely seemed to work together systematically to drive the lions off the calf. I don't know if that belligerent bull was the alpha male of the herd, or even if there is such a thing among water buffalo, but he was certainly making things happen.
Quoting Unforgiven
I don't know if I watched the program that you watched about wolves and caribou, but it sounds familiar enough that I probably did. There is something uncanny about the way wolves work together. There is an intelligent pattern there that is more than instinctual behavior.
It so amazing to look at nature and understand or hope to understand what's in play during these extraordinary events.
Years ago I watched NG in a study of wolves and caribou. The wolves had a system. They would anticipate the direction the herd was going to travel, and a large pack would split into a number of small groups of two or three. Then space themselves out in a specific pattern using the landscape to their advantage.
They would cut a small group out of the herd and chase them into the next pair of wolves who would pick up the chase, and in turn to the next pair and so on to run the Cariboo down to exhaustion, then simple kill the animal while it was too tired to fight off the attack.
Just the complexity and the fore thought of where to be and how to spread out and driving the Caribou knowing they would get it in the end even though the two who started the attack weren't in on the kill miles along the track.
I think what I found most interesting is that they understood the concept of cooperation and were cognitive of future eventualities. And all of it goes on right under our noses for the most part not even noticed until something spectacular comes along like the clip here to really bring it forward.
Yeah too many documentaries. heh heh
Years ago I watched NG in a study of wolves and caribou. The wolves had a system. They would anticipate the direction the herd was going to travel, and a large pack would split into a number of small groups of two or three. Then space themselves out in a specific pattern using the landscape to their advantage.
They would cut a small group out of the herd and chase them into the next pair of wolves who would pick up the chase, and in turn to the next pair and so on to run the Cariboo down to exhaustion, then simple kill the animal while it was too tired to fight off the attack.
Just the complexity and the fore thought of where to be and how to spread out and driving the Caribou knowing they would get it in the end even though the two who started the attack weren't in on the kill miles along the track.
I think what I found most interesting is that they understood the concept of cooperation and were cognitive of future eventualities. And all of it goes on right under our noses for the most part not even noticed until something spectacular comes along like the clip here to really bring it forward.
Yeah too many documentaries. heh heh
The water buffalo in Karrie's clip definitely seemed to work together systematically to drive the lions off the calf. I don't know if that belligerent bull was the alpha male of the herd, or even if there is such a thing among water buffalo, but he was certainly making things happen.
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September 24th, 2007, 03:23 PM
This is another encounter between lions and buffalo. One buffalo didn't fair too well but neither did one lion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BtMuSjnGcY
This is another encounter between lions and buffalo. One buffalo didn't fair too well but neither did one lion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BtMuSjnGcY
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September 24th, 2007, 07:30 PM
Unf. this is part of the video I was talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNL1M...elated&search=
Unf. this is part of the video I was talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNL1M...elated&search=
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September 25th, 2007, 06:29 AM
You don't mess around with the king. Sheesh what a power house. Notice the roll to the back once he got the hyena so that he could bring his hind feet in to rake the belly? I see it every day with our cats at play and think that there is a fine line between pet and wild animal I don't often appreciate.
Just the other day another great nature doco was on called Hippo Beach.
A couple of things I didn't know about were the dominant male often just has to use "the look" and that Hippos have a reverence much like elephants over the dead of their kind. Again a demonstration of a herd backing off scavengers, again hyena, for a while as they examined and touched the corps.
Eventually they relented and nature took it's course.
I expect that bull we saw in Karries video was the dominant male just doing his thang. Excellent vid you found there.
You don't mess around with the king. Sheesh what a power house. Notice the roll to the back once he got the hyena so that he could bring his hind feet in to rake the belly? I see it every day with our cats at play and think that there is a fine line between pet and wild animal I don't often appreciate.
Just the other day another great nature doco was on called Hippo Beach.
A couple of things I didn't know about were the dominant male often just has to use "the look" and that Hippos have a reverence much like elephants over the dead of their kind. Again a demonstration of a herd backing off scavengers, again hyena, for a while as they examined and touched the corps.
Eventually they relented and nature took it's course.
I expect that bull we saw in Karries video was the dominant male just doing his thang. Excellent vid you found there.
Quoting #juan
Unf. this is part of the video I was talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNL1M...elated&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNL1M...elated&search=
September 25th, 2007, 07:21 AM
Here is one bull the Bull Fighters would have trouble with......
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BULL ATTACK
Here is one bull the Bull Fighters would have trouble with......
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BULL ATTACK
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September 25th, 2007, 10:08 AM
holy cow
holy cow
