Has anyone read Orson Wells 1984?
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actually Wells did not write 1984. He may have played 'Big Brother' in the movie? But George Orwell did the novel. I believe that Richard Burton and O'brien had parts. I think they remade the movie with William Hurt in it. That's why a view of the future as a fascist state is called 'orwellian'. I first started reading Chomsky as part of the course of study in Linquistics. I have enjoyed his political critiques. He tends toward simple truth and obvious connections, but ain't it strange how that enrages people who hide behind complicated lies?
"Everybody's worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there's a really easy way: stop participating in it." – Noam Chomsky
"Everybody's worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there's a really easy way: stop participating in it." – Noam Chomsky
Sublime said:
Noam Chomsky is a hard read. But I'm sure once he is dead he will be a widely known name. Thats the way with political scientist. Though even for Pol sci's he well known for being alive. lol
RE: Has anyone read Orson
1984 is a classic and one of my favourite books. I reread it every few years, along with Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World". Good stuff.
1984 is a classic and one of my favourite books. I reread it every few years, along with Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World". Good stuff.
Re: RE: Has anyone read Orson
meh the book stays with you. I personally like Animal Farm. =-D If you have read that one of his.
Laika said:
meh the book stays with you. I personally like Animal Farm. =-D If you have read that one of his.
Owell was a anti-Communist, socialist, go figure. =-D
But he understood Communist (at least Stalins/Soviets) so well he almost predicted what would happen, well at least pretty close. The only person who got it a little closer was Trotsky, but... he got a pick axe as a reward. :idea:
I'd still say Animal Farm and then 1984 as my prefered books from Orwell. Just because...
But he understood Communist (at least Stalins/Soviets) so well he almost predicted what would happen, well at least pretty close. The only person who got it a little closer was Trotsky, but... he got a pick axe as a reward. :idea:
I'd still say Animal Farm and then 1984 as my prefered books from Orwell. Just because...
RE: Has anyone read Orson
Yup! I really liked Animal Farm when I was younger, but I found that it didn't have the same impact on me when I reread it as an adult.
However, I think1984 has a more timeless quality and there were aspects to the story that I never appreciated or understood until I was older. I just reread it again last year and found it even more compelling and relevant than when I first read it years ago.
Yup! I really liked Animal Farm when I was younger, but I found that it didn't have the same impact on me when I reread it as an adult.
However, I think1984 has a more timeless quality and there were aspects to the story that I never appreciated or understood until I was older. I just reread it again last year and found it even more compelling and relevant than when I first read it years ago.
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But Animal farm sets everything thing out in such a beautiful and such a simple way that it's simplicity makes it a work of art. You also have to remember it was writen for children as well.
Don't get me wrong 1984 is also one of the best but come on, who doesn't think that if Snowball had been able to stop Napoleon that things would have been different like old maqor had wanted. However, Snowball was a pig too.... hmmmmm....
They should do a 1984 remake now.
Laika said:
But Animal farm sets everything thing out in such a beautiful and such a simple way that it's simplicity makes it a work of art. You also have to remember it was writen for children as well.
Don't get me wrong 1984 is also one of the best but come on, who doesn't think that if Snowball had been able to stop Napoleon that things would have been different like old maqor had wanted. However, Snowball was a pig too.... hmmmmm....
They should do a 1984 remake now.
RE: Has anyone read Orson
I have to say I much prefer the gritty bleakness of 1984. What can I say, I'm a grim bitch. :lol:
PS: I've never really gave much thought to "what if this happened" in Animal Farm. Hmm, maybe it's time to crack it open again!
I have to say I much prefer the gritty bleakness of 1984. What can I say, I'm a grim bitch. :lol:
PS: I've never really gave much thought to "what if this happened" in Animal Farm. Hmm, maybe it's time to crack it open again!
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Well Snowball is supposed to be Trotsky in a sence, and really if Napoleon had not been chased away in Animal farm he appeared to be fighting for what Old Magor had been ranting about, and he was trying to correct the problems in Animal farm. But at the same time all the pigs appeared to be acting in the same way and Snowball was a pig himself.
Old magor=Lenin/Marx
Napoleon=Stalin
Snowball=Trotsky
Pigs=Communist party
Humans=Facsists and capitalists.
Farms=nations
horses=workers
other animals=peasents mostly
dogs=army/police
more or less
Very simple to see into and how it reflects history. Remember this was writen when even the west mostly loved stalin, and george orwell was disliked by Communists, most socialists, and mostly anybody until a few years after the war. He himself was a socialist and far ahead of his time and he really saw into what was happening when people bought into the propaganda of the soviet union even in the west.
Laika said:
Well Snowball is supposed to be Trotsky in a sence, and really if Napoleon had not been chased away in Animal farm he appeared to be fighting for what Old Magor had been ranting about, and he was trying to correct the problems in Animal farm. But at the same time all the pigs appeared to be acting in the same way and Snowball was a pig himself.
Old magor=Lenin/Marx
Napoleon=Stalin
Snowball=Trotsky
Pigs=Communist party
Humans=Facsists and capitalists.
Farms=nations
horses=workers
other animals=peasents mostly
dogs=army/police
more or less
Very simple to see into and how it reflects history. Remember this was writen when even the west mostly loved stalin, and george orwell was disliked by Communists, most socialists, and mostly anybody until a few years after the war. He himself was a socialist and far ahead of his time and he really saw into what was happening when people bought into the propaganda of the soviet union even in the west.
RE: Has anyone read Orson
I understand the allegory of the story and Orwell's attitude toward communism; those were pretty obvious. I just never really gave much thought to the STORY itself ending differently (not history).
I understand the allegory of the story and Orwell's attitude toward communism; those were pretty obvious. I just never really gave much thought to the STORY itself ending differently (not history).