Newbie
Posts: 7 
June 3rd, 2005, 07:23 PM
I might be using a Nokia 6610i with GSM 900/1800/1900. As I understand it in Canada you have GSM 850 and 1900. So if my phone only does the 1900 frequency, will that be bad? Will I often find myself in 850-only areas? Is it just a strength/quality of signal issue or would I be likely to have no signal at all in many areas? This would be in Ontario.
Thanks!
I might be using a Nokia 6610i with GSM 900/1800/1900. As I understand it in Canada you have GSM 850 and 1900. So if my phone only does the 1900 frequency, will that be bad? Will I often find myself in 850-only areas? Is it just a strength/quality of signal issue or would I be likely to have no signal at all in many areas? This would be in Ontario.
Thanks!
Newbie
Posts: 7
June 3rd, 2005, 08:54 PM
Thanks, I see. I suppose it should be just fine around a city certainly.
Any ideas on why exactly there are two frequencies? Doesn't lower frequency retain it's signal strength over a vaster area? So like in the country side, there would tend to be a higher saturation of the 850 frequency? Never gave this any thought till now...
Thanks, I see. I suppose it should be just fine around a city certainly.
Any ideas on why exactly there are two frequencies? Doesn't lower frequency retain it's signal strength over a vaster area? So like in the country side, there would tend to be a higher saturation of the 850 frequency? Never gave this any thought till now...
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It's not going to be VERY BAD... but more is always better.
kalok~
kalok~
Bright Spark
Posts: 289
Location: Montreal
Location: Montreal
June 3rd, 2005, 10:21 PM
Rogers use both 1900 and 850
Fido use only 1900.
But it doesn't matter anymore since Fido use owned by Rogers. By the time you get here, the network will be integrated, which menas, it will be only one network.
850mhz is better for inside building signals, such as high building, undergroung garage, and maybe subway.
kalok~
Rogers use both 1900 and 850
Fido use only 1900.
But it doesn't matter anymore since Fido use owned by Rogers. By the time you get here, the network will be integrated, which menas, it will be only one network.
850mhz is better for inside building signals, such as high building, undergroung garage, and maybe subway.
kalok~
Bright Spark
Posts: 289
Location: Montreal
Location: Montreal
June 5th, 2005, 01:27 AM
It's not depending on the frequencies.
SMS should be fine, since it's considered as Voice over here.
But for MMS it depends if your provider has signed agreement with Fido/Rogers or not for data.
For example, Rogers has signed agreement with XYZ country for voice only. That's mean, if i go to XYZ company, I can't log-on to WAP or send MMS.
Another example, Rogers has signed agreement with ABC country for both voice and data, that means, if i go to ABC country, I'll be able to log-on to WAP or send MMS.
Understand??
kalok~
It's not depending on the frequencies.
SMS should be fine, since it's considered as Voice over here.
But for MMS it depends if your provider has signed agreement with Fido/Rogers or not for data.
For example, Rogers has signed agreement with XYZ country for voice only. That's mean, if i go to XYZ company, I can't log-on to WAP or send MMS.
Another example, Rogers has signed agreement with ABC country for both voice and data, that means, if i go to ABC country, I'll be able to log-on to WAP or send MMS.
Understand??
kalok~
Newbie
Posts: 7
June 5th, 2005, 09:53 AM
I found out that many of the phones that Nokia for instance sells/supports in Canada and U.S. are actually the very same "Triband" GSM 900/1800/1900 phones that are sold in Europe (without the 850 mhz band). So I guess that shouldn't be a problem then... they obviously work fine over there.
But I have been going through the Rogers and FIDO sites and I'm wondering if they will even accept a phone that is not purchased from them. All sorts of business about "phones designed specifically for Rogers".... scary.
I'm actually in the middle of deciding what phone to upgrade to over here in Europe... all the good quality phones are indeed Triband phones, but only one or two are phones that Rogers or FIDO carry.
Would be nice if there weren't compatibility problems with the enhanced feature-sets.
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Actually it will be a more extended stay during which I'll aquire local mobile phone service.
For example, Rogers has signed agreement with XYZ country for voice only. That's mean, if i go to XYZ company, I can't log-on to WAP or send MMS.
Another example, Rogers has signed agreement with ABC country for both voice and data, that means, if i go to ABC country, I'll be able to log-on to WAP or send MMS.
Another example, Rogers has signed agreement with ABC country for both voice and data, that means, if i go to ABC country, I'll be able to log-on to WAP or send MMS.
I found out that many of the phones that Nokia for instance sells/supports in Canada and U.S. are actually the very same "Triband" GSM 900/1800/1900 phones that are sold in Europe (without the 850 mhz band). So I guess that shouldn't be a problem then... they obviously work fine over there.
But I have been going through the Rogers and FIDO sites and I'm wondering if they will even accept a phone that is not purchased from them. All sorts of business about "phones designed specifically for Rogers".... scary.
I'm actually in the middle of deciding what phone to upgrade to over here in Europe... all the good quality phones are indeed Triband phones, but only one or two are phones that Rogers or FIDO carry.
Would be nice if there weren't compatibility problems with the enhanced feature-sets.
Bright Spark
Posts: 289
Location: Montreal
Location: Montreal
June 5th, 2005, 10:26 AM
Since you said you'll be using a local service provider, do you mind to tell me for how long you're staying?
Because, if you're staying long enough, I would suggest you to save your money and get a phone over here on a discounted price towards a 2 or 3 years service agreement.
Rogers / Fido don't care where your phone is from. As longest as it's unlocked, then it will work fine over here. But getting a phone with 850mhz, will make a world of difference in terms of reception.
And one more thing, you'll need the proper settings for your unlocked tri-band phone for WAP and MMS. But that is easy to find, just tell me what brand and model you have, then i'll be able to give the settings within an instant.
So let me know if you need further assistance.
kalok~
Since you said you'll be using a local service provider, do you mind to tell me for how long you're staying?
Because, if you're staying long enough, I would suggest you to save your money and get a phone over here on a discounted price towards a 2 or 3 years service agreement.
Rogers / Fido don't care where your phone is from. As longest as it's unlocked, then it will work fine over here. But getting a phone with 850mhz, will make a world of difference in terms of reception.
And one more thing, you'll need the proper settings for your unlocked tri-band phone for WAP and MMS. But that is easy to find, just tell me what brand and model you have, then i'll be able to give the settings within an instant.
So let me know if you need further assistance.
kalok~
Newbie
Posts: 7
June 5th, 2005, 05:32 PM
Oh the stay wouldn't be anything approaching a whole year. I did find out also that Rogers at least sells exclusively locked phones and the unlocking code comes with a hefty fee.
A prepaid-minutes/use type service would be fine for me.
How do you find out the settings for any phone?
At the moment I'm leaning toward the Nokia 6020 (and unlocked). It's not sold over there, but it's a "Triband".... as long as they have the 1900 mhz frequency, they are considered compatible in Canada.
Oh the stay wouldn't be anything approaching a whole year. I did find out also that Rogers at least sells exclusively locked phones and the unlocking code comes with a hefty fee.
A prepaid-minutes/use type service would be fine for me.
How do you find out the settings for any phone?
At the moment I'm leaning toward the Nokia 6020 (and unlocked). It's not sold over there, but it's a "Triband".... as long as they have the 1900 mhz frequency, they are considered compatible in Canada.
Bright Spark
Posts: 289
Location: Montreal
Location: Montreal
June 5th, 2005, 11:09 PM
Actually, I got it.
-WAP-
Settings name: Rogers
homepage: wap.howardforums.com <-- or whatever you want
Proxies: enabled. 208.200.067.150 OR 172.025.000.107 * with a port of :8080
*this IP is the same as the media.com IP. it can also be used if you like from what I have seen
Data Bearer: GPRS
Select Bearer settings
GPRS access point: GOAM.COM, Internet.com now optional. you will need internet.com for the email client.
Authentication type: Normal
Login Type: Automatic
Username: Wapuser1
Password: Wap
after you put the settings remember to go back and activate those settings in connection settings
these settings are 100% correct.
If it still doesn't work you've either done something wrong, or, you don't have the right data plan.
-MMS-
here are my exact settings:
menu/messages/mewssage settings/multimedia settings:
save sent messages: yes
delivery reports: off
scale down images: no
Default slide timing: 00:08
allow multimedia reception: yes
incoming multimedia messages: retreive
connection settings
Active multimedia settings: Media <-- you have to create one
edit active settings
settings name: Media
homepage: http://mms.gprs.rogers.com
proxies: enable
Primary proxy: 172.025.000.107 Port: 8080
Secondary Proxy: leave blank, port will default to 8080
data bearer: gprs
bearer settings
GPRS access point: Media.com
authenticatio: Secure
username: Media
password: mda01
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kalok~
Actually, I got it.
-WAP-
Settings name: Rogers
homepage: wap.howardforums.com <-- or whatever you want
Proxies: enabled. 208.200.067.150 OR 172.025.000.107 * with a port of :8080
*this IP is the same as the media.com IP. it can also be used if you like from what I have seen
Data Bearer: GPRS
Select Bearer settings
GPRS access point: GOAM.COM, Internet.com now optional. you will need internet.com for the email client.
Authentication type: Normal
Login Type: Automatic
Username: Wapuser1
Password: Wap
after you put the settings remember to go back and activate those settings in connection settings
these settings are 100% correct.
If it still doesn't work you've either done something wrong, or, you don't have the right data plan.
-MMS-
here are my exact settings:
menu/messages/mewssage settings/multimedia settings:
save sent messages: yes
delivery reports: off
scale down images: no
Default slide timing: 00:08
allow multimedia reception: yes
incoming multimedia messages: retreive
connection settings
Active multimedia settings: Media <-- you have to create one
edit active settings
settings name: Media
homepage: http://mms.gprs.rogers.com
proxies: enable
Primary proxy: 172.025.000.107 Port: 8080
Secondary Proxy: leave blank, port will default to 8080
data bearer: gprs
bearer settings
GPRS access point: Media.com
authenticatio: Secure
username: Media
password: mda01
__________________
kalok~
Newbie
Posts: 7
June 6th, 2005, 02:31 PM
Thanks! That's a relief to know I don't need to wonder about the settings anymore. I had no clue how that would get sorted.
I've never set up a MMS/WAP phone before. Is the connectivity for POP/SMTP covered by those too? (apart from my mail servers of course).
Anyway you seem to be in the loop, so I guess you've seen this: http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/6020. The 6020 is being introduced over there or at least in the states; you did mention above somewhere about Fido carrying it.
I like it for being well featured but simple design physically... good old fashion square buttons, etc.
Not a huge screen like the 6620, but oh well. I might still swing for the 6600 (that's what it's called in Euroland), but I'm going to try to control myself and settle for the 6020... good enough for me
Thanks! That's a relief to know I don't need to wonder about the settings anymore. I had no clue how that would get sorted.
I've never set up a MMS/WAP phone before. Is the connectivity for POP/SMTP covered by those too? (apart from my mail servers of course).
Anyway you seem to be in the loop, so I guess you've seen this: http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/6020. The 6020 is being introduced over there or at least in the states; you did mention above somewhere about Fido carrying it.
I like it for being well featured but simple design physically... good old fashion square buttons, etc.
Not a huge screen like the 6620, but oh well. I might still swing for the 6600 (that's what it's called in Euroland), but I'm going to try to control myself and settle for the 6020... good enough for me
Bright Spark
Posts: 289
Location: Montreal
Location: Montreal
June 6th, 2005, 06:35 PM
I know which phone you're talking about, since i'm a phone freak and I'm chinese, I always follows the phones that HK has. However, i don't buy any phones without 850mhz anymore due the reception of the 850mhz does make a huge difference in where I live (it's a new area of my city).
kalok~
I know which phone you're talking about, since i'm a phone freak and I'm chinese, I always follows the phones that HK has. However, i don't buy any phones without 850mhz anymore due the reception of the 850mhz does make a huge difference in where I live (it's a new area of my city).
kalok~
Newbie
Posts: 1
February 6th, 2008, 09:38 AM
Hi!
I would like to buy the Samsun P300 or the LG KG 920 phone. However I want to make sure it will work well in the GTA. If anyone can confirm that 1900 frquency is enought I would appreciate it. On top of that kalok if you have an info for the two phones I would appreciate it. I will be using it on the Rogers network.
thanks
Hi!
I would like to buy the Samsun P300 or the LG KG 920 phone. However I want to make sure it will work well in the GTA. If anyone can confirm that 1900 frquency is enought I would appreciate it. On top of that kalok if you have an info for the two phones I would appreciate it. I will be using it on the Rogers network.
thanks
