Member
Posts: 63 
March 30th, 2007, 09:47 AM
IF uniting the four Atlantic Canadian provinces is a bad idea since each province is culturally distinct and should have its own government and capital
THEN is it not logical to ask,
should new provinces be created for culturally distinct sub-regions each with a capital and government?
1.Split Labrador from Newfoundland
2.Split French speaking Acadia from New Brunswick
3.Split Cape Breton from Nova Scotia
IF uniting the four Atlantic Canadian provinces is a bad idea since each province is culturally distinct and should have its own government and capital
THEN is it not logical to ask,
should new provinces be created for culturally distinct sub-regions each with a capital and government?
1.Split Labrador from Newfoundland
2.Split French speaking Acadia from New Brunswick
3.Split Cape Breton from Nova Scotia
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,961 
March 30th, 2007, 11:42 AM
I know that you're grasping at straws, trying to get people to agree with you, but it won't work unless you can come up with a reason. So far, you haven't.
Quoting atlanticaparty
No, it is not logical to ask that. If it makes no sense to change one thing, that does not necessarily imply that another thing must be changed.
IF uniting the four Atlantic Canadian provinces is a bad idea since each province is culturally distinct and should have its own government and capital
THEN is it not logical to ask,
should new provinces be created for culturally distinct sub-regions each with a capital and government?
1.Split Labrador from Newfoundland
2.Split French speaking Acadia from New Brunswick
3.Split Cape Breton from Nova Scotia
THEN is it not logical to ask,
should new provinces be created for culturally distinct sub-regions each with a capital and government?
1.Split Labrador from Newfoundland
2.Split French speaking Acadia from New Brunswick
3.Split Cape Breton from Nova Scotia
I know that you're grasping at straws, trying to get people to agree with you, but it won't work unless you can come up with a reason. So far, you haven't.
Member
Posts: 63
March 30th, 2007, 03:03 PM
Quoting TenPenny
Well, it makes no sense to argue eg NS and NB are both 'distinct' and therefore Union is impossible while maintaining that Acadia is not distinct from the rest of NB. You can't have it both ways.
No, it is not logical to ask that. If it makes no sense to change one thing, that does not necessarily imply that another thing must be changed.
Quote:
Was that a tag line or an actual question. If so, agree on what?
I know that you're grasping at straws, trying to get people to agree with you, but it won't work unless you can come up with a reason. So far, you haven't.
Time Out
Posts: 1,651
March 30th, 2007, 03:07 PM
The Maritimes need to figure something out.
Their young people are leaving in droves for Alberta and The West.
The unemployment rate in the Maritimes is the highest in the nation.
Generally the Martimes need to join all together into 1 province which would make them a greater force and could possibly help all the people living there.
And then you can have subsections within it, like you suggest:
The regions of:
Newfoundland
Labrador
French New Brunswick
English New Brunswick
Nova Scotia
Cape Breton Island
PEI
all within in the provinve of "Maritimes"
The Maritimes need to figure something out.
Their young people are leaving in droves for Alberta and The West.
The unemployment rate in the Maritimes is the highest in the nation.
Generally the Martimes need to join all together into 1 province which would make them a greater force and could possibly help all the people living there.
And then you can have subsections within it, like you suggest:
The regions of:
Newfoundland
Labrador
French New Brunswick
English New Brunswick
Nova Scotia
Cape Breton Island
PEI
all within in the provinve of "Maritimes"
Member
Posts: 74
April 22nd, 2007, 10:45 PM
I don't know what a atlantic union would accomplish other than a shiny new name and millions spent switching around the governments to a incredibly similar likeness to their current forms.The only thing that the atlantic provinces have in common is the vast mostly unpopulated spaces between cities.
The individual provinces aren't taking full advantage of their own resources, what makes people think that one big province would?
I don't know what a atlantic union would accomplish other than a shiny new name and millions spent switching around the governments to a incredibly similar likeness to their current forms.The only thing that the atlantic provinces have in common is the vast mostly unpopulated spaces between cities.
The individual provinces aren't taking full advantage of their own resources, what makes people think that one big province would?
Les
Posts: 5,330
Location: on 50 acres in Kootenays BC
Location: on 50 acres in Kootenays BC
April 22nd, 2007, 11:04 PM
Canadians aren't the same so it's a bit stupid to treat them that way after you've decided that one or more groups are distinct.
Quoting atlanticaparty
Quite logical if the federal gov't gave up some power to the provinces who could then use a bit more self-determination rather than people with no clue how others lives are having complete say (except for Kebec, of course; it being its own nation).
IF uniting the four Atlantic Canadian provinces is a bad idea since each province is culturally distinct and should have its own government and capital
THEN is it not logical to ask,
should new provinces be created for culturally distinct sub-regions each with a capital and government?
1.Split Labrador from Newfoundland
2.Split French speaking Acadia from New Brunswick
3.Split Cape Breton from Nova Scotia
THEN is it not logical to ask,
should new provinces be created for culturally distinct sub-regions each with a capital and government?
1.Split Labrador from Newfoundland
2.Split French speaking Acadia from New Brunswick
3.Split Cape Breton from Nova Scotia
Canadians aren't the same so it's a bit stupid to treat them that way after you've decided that one or more groups are distinct.
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,961
April 23rd, 2007, 06:10 AM
Quoting westmanguy
So, if the Atlantic Provinces join together, does that mean we'll suddenly have massive deposits of natural resources that are selling at record world prices, that are labour intensive to extract?
The Maritimes need to figure something out.
Their young people are leaving in droves for Alberta and The West.
The unemployment rate in the Maritimes is the highest in the nation.
Their young people are leaving in droves for Alberta and The West.
The unemployment rate in the Maritimes is the highest in the nation.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,110
Location: Canada
Location: Canada
May 3rd, 2007, 09:11 PM
we could do away with the federal level of gov....we're over governed. with todays tecknologic, the "leaders" of each province and terratries, can do video conferencing from their ridings office....save tax payers a fortune...the problems arise when we let them congregate!!!
would you guys be more inclined to accept a north american union, with mexico and the us of g and Canada joining up to become one nation?
Quoting L Gilbert
Quite logical if the federal gov't gave up some power to the provinces who could then use a bit more self-determination rather than people with no clue how others lives are having complete say (except for Kebec, of course; it being its own nation).
Canadians aren't the same so it's a bit stupid to treat them that way after you've decided that one or more groups are distinct.
Canadians aren't the same so it's a bit stupid to treat them that way after you've decided that one or more groups are distinct.
we could do away with the federal level of gov....we're over governed. with todays tecknologic, the "leaders" of each province and terratries, can do video conferencing from their ridings office....save tax payers a fortune...the problems arise when we let them congregate!!!
would you guys be more inclined to accept a north american union, with mexico and the us of g and Canada joining up to become one nation?
Newbie
Posts: 43
September 15th, 2007, 10:12 PM
Quoting sha_zapple
One major thing it would accomplish is less government. Instead of four Premiers we could have one, instead of untold numbers of MLA's we could have just one set, similar to what happens when one corporation takes over another, the union tends to consolidate and eliminate duplication. New Brunswick could definitely benefits from some of that, because we have far more government than the people need or can afford, and it grows monthly. Every time there is a perceived crisis, the government creates another new bureaucracy to deal with it. I am sick and tired of paying civil servants who's only function seems to be is to produce reports that nobody ever reads, just to justify their jobs.
I don't know what a atlantic union would accomplish other than a shiny new name and millions spent switching around the governments to a incredibly similar likeness to their current forms.The only thing that the atlantic provinces have in common is the vast mostly unpopulated spaces between cities.
The individual provinces aren't taking full advantage of their own resources, what makes people think that one big province would?
The individual provinces aren't taking full advantage of their own resources, what makes people think that one big province would?
Newbie
Posts: 43
October 4th, 2007, 11:48 AM
The upside would be that consolidated we would become an entity that Ottawa could not ignore, as they presently do, by dismissing the demands of the individual Atlantic Provinces as not meaning anything, because we do not have the numbers nor the clout to make a difference.
Quoting sha_zapple
For one thing it would rid us of 3 sets of politicians who's only concern is maintaining their own little fiefdoms, and 3 sets of bureaucracies. When corporations amalgamate they generally consolidate and eliminate duplication. How wonderful that would be to rid ourselves of the many useless bureaucrats, and the huge salaries they command. Think of the money we would save. We may even be able to reduce our tax burden by such a move.
I don't know what a atlantic union would accomplish other than a shiny new name and millions spent switching around the governments to a incredibly similar likeness to their current forms.The only thing that the atlantic provinces have in common is the vast mostly unpopulated spaces between cities.
The individual provinces aren't taking full advantage of their own resources, what makes people think that one big province would?
The individual provinces aren't taking full advantage of their own resources, what makes people think that one big province would?
The upside would be that consolidated we would become an entity that Ottawa could not ignore, as they presently do, by dismissing the demands of the individual Atlantic Provinces as not meaning anything, because we do not have the numbers nor the clout to make a difference.
