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June 4th, 2007, 02:21 AM
did you know that in canada active and passive euthanasia is illegal. The supreme court of canada decided that it is not up to any other person to decide when someone else dies. Even if someone is terminal and in a coma, no one else in the world is aloud to say "lets kill that person now" because we dont know if they want to die or not.
What gives us the right to decide that we are more important than any other thing on this earth? just because we are smarter and have control doesnt give us the right to kill them. Long ago in some countries it was legal to kill your wife because men believed that they were property and that it was ok. Now im not saying its the same thing at all, but it shows how far things come and maybe back then they didnt realize that woman didnt deserve that.
We are the ones who originally domesticated cats and some other animals and i think that makes us morally obligated now to make sure that we arnt just going to kill them or let them die because we screwed up their survival methods. That is shallow and self centered.
What if there was something out there that was smarter and more powerfull then us, if we stopped being able to take care of ourselves on our own does that make it ok to kill us? i have a feeling that none of us would apretiate that so how does it make it right to do that to another living creature?
Now dont think that i am posting this because im some huge cat lover. i hate cats (sorry) i am alergic to them and they bother me. but it doesnt mean i think we should kill them or put ourselves above them in any way.
did you know that in canada active and passive euthanasia is illegal. The supreme court of canada decided that it is not up to any other person to decide when someone else dies. Even if someone is terminal and in a coma, no one else in the world is aloud to say "lets kill that person now" because we dont know if they want to die or not.
What gives us the right to decide that we are more important than any other thing on this earth? just because we are smarter and have control doesnt give us the right to kill them. Long ago in some countries it was legal to kill your wife because men believed that they were property and that it was ok. Now im not saying its the same thing at all, but it shows how far things come and maybe back then they didnt realize that woman didnt deserve that.
We are the ones who originally domesticated cats and some other animals and i think that makes us morally obligated now to make sure that we arnt just going to kill them or let them die because we screwed up their survival methods. That is shallow and self centered.
What if there was something out there that was smarter and more powerfull then us, if we stopped being able to take care of ourselves on our own does that make it ok to kill us? i have a feeling that none of us would apretiate that so how does it make it right to do that to another living creature?
Now dont think that i am posting this because im some huge cat lover. i hate cats (sorry) i am alergic to them and they bother me. but it doesnt mean i think we should kill them or put ourselves above them in any way.
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June 4th, 2007, 03:10 AM
Once again we're shown that few creatures can act in this manner. As we stretch our minds and abilities to the very limit in the name of progress and discovery, so too is there a race for the bottom and our lowest common denominator.
If in a field there grew a single perfect flower that was to be the saviour of all things, our response would be to club it and throw it's wasted carcas down on the very spot it grew from. Then loudly proclaim that it is a beautiful weedless field.
Once again we're shown that few creatures can act in this manner. As we stretch our minds and abilities to the very limit in the name of progress and discovery, so too is there a race for the bottom and our lowest common denominator.
If in a field there grew a single perfect flower that was to be the saviour of all things, our response would be to club it and throw it's wasted carcas down on the very spot it grew from. Then loudly proclaim that it is a beautiful weedless field.
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June 4th, 2007, 06:17 AM
Seriously.
I know they are "cute" and "cuddly" when domesticated. But anyone who has ever found a field cat, they are not. They are wild animals and dangerous ones. A feral cat is not "helpless" or "domesticated", it is a wild animal not at all cuddly or influenced by humans.
To treat it different than any other wild animal is absurd. You will raise a cow from birth then hit it in the head with a hammer and gut it in a factory...
but take a vicious wild animal thats causing problems in your region for other species or game, and your a monster cause its the same breed as your pet.
Racoons make good pets too, a wild racoon is still dangerous and can spread rabies and so may need hunting.
Seriously.
I know they are "cute" and "cuddly" when domesticated. But anyone who has ever found a field cat, they are not. They are wild animals and dangerous ones. A feral cat is not "helpless" or "domesticated", it is a wild animal not at all cuddly or influenced by humans.
To treat it different than any other wild animal is absurd. You will raise a cow from birth then hit it in the head with a hammer and gut it in a factory...
but take a vicious wild animal thats causing problems in your region for other species or game, and your a monster cause its the same breed as your pet.
Racoons make good pets too, a wild racoon is still dangerous and can spread rabies and so may need hunting.
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June 4th, 2007, 08:01 AM
Real hunters don't hunt pets.
Quoting Zzarchov
Of course that we've caused the problem doesn't enter into the equation now does it? No one is about to make a law that brings proper management of domesticated pets into line and force owners to take responsibility for them. No chance that we would spend any money on initiating and sustainable solution to cat over population. It's not at all shocking to see that the typical numbskull reaction come up with something that at once puts everyone endanger and will inevitably cause some "moonbats" to go shoot their neighbor's cat.
Seriously.
I know they are "cute" and "cuddly" when domesticated. But anyone who has ever found a field cat, they are not. They are wild animals and dangerous ones. A feral cat is not "helpless" or "domesticated", it is a wild animal not at all cuddly or influenced by humans.
To treat it different than any other wild animal is absurd. You will raise a cow from birth then hit it in the head with a hammer and gut it in a factory...
but take a vicious wild animal thats causing problems in your region for other species or game, and your a monster cause its the same breed as your pet.
Racoons make good pets too, a wild racoon is still dangerous and can spread rabies and so may need hunting.
I know they are "cute" and "cuddly" when domesticated. But anyone who has ever found a field cat, they are not. They are wild animals and dangerous ones. A feral cat is not "helpless" or "domesticated", it is a wild animal not at all cuddly or influenced by humans.
To treat it different than any other wild animal is absurd. You will raise a cow from birth then hit it in the head with a hammer and gut it in a factory...
but take a vicious wild animal thats causing problems in your region for other species or game, and your a monster cause its the same breed as your pet.
Racoons make good pets too, a wild racoon is still dangerous and can spread rabies and so may need hunting.
Real hunters don't hunt pets.
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June 4th, 2007, 12:33 PM
I also participated in feeding colony's of feral cats. Never been bitten, never been attacked by them either. Wouldn't pet on without it's consent, mind you.
So, there are responsible people out there taking care of others irresponsible acts.
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Just to let you know there are people, such as myself, who trap and spay/neuter feral cats. Kittens 4 months of age and under are made into pets. There are several people, myself included, who also participate in this rehabilitation. I currently share my house with 2 formerly feral cats. Both trapped at a young age, both very gentle, and sweet. I've never been viciously bitten or scratched by them or by any other feral kittens I've rehabed.
No chance that we would spend any money on initiating and sustainable solution to cat over population.
I also participated in feeding colony's of feral cats. Never been bitten, never been attacked by them either. Wouldn't pet on without it's consent, mind you.
So, there are responsible people out there taking care of others irresponsible acts.
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June 4th, 2007, 12:53 PM
We could enact law to control the ownership of a pet, license it instead of pets
and enforce a manditory spay and neuter program for all animals other than those specially selected to breed and show.
It's only money in the richest part of the world.
Quoting Twila
Yes and good on you. We too have a pair of feral cats much the same as yourself. And as hard as all of the people who stand up and make a difference on this issue, it remains only a drop in the bucket of what should be don't you think. At the very least we should take steps to stop our part of the problem in allowing our own cats to roam outdoors in the cities, produce litters of kittens that scatter to the four winds with a good portion going to irresponsible people who help to fill the shealters, rescue agencies and good samaritan homes to the brim.
Just to let you know there are people, such as myself, who trap and spay/neuter feral cats. Kittens 4 months of age and under are made into pets. There are several people, myself included, who also participate in this rehabilitation. I currently share my house with 2 formerly feral cats. Both trapped at a young age, both very gentle, and sweet. I've never been viciously bitten or scratched by them or by any other feral kittens I've rehabed.
I also participated in feeding colony's of feral cats. Never been bitten, never been attacked by them either. Wouldn't pet on without it's consent, mind you.
So, there are responsible people out there taking care of others irresponsible acts.
I also participated in feeding colony's of feral cats. Never been bitten, never been attacked by them either. Wouldn't pet on without it's consent, mind you.
So, there are responsible people out there taking care of others irresponsible acts.
We could enact law to control the ownership of a pet, license it instead of pets
and enforce a manditory spay and neuter program for all animals other than those specially selected to breed and show.
It's only money in the richest part of the world.
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June 4th, 2007, 01:08 PM
Personally I think thats cruel and inhumane. They are wild animals, cats are not truly domesticated, tamed would be a better term.
You are taking wild animals and sterilizing them, and turning their offspring into pets. Why not do it with Racoons, Rabbits or Ferrets? All make equally good pets, but they are all wild animals.
Quoting Twila
Just to let you know there are people, such as myself, who trap and spay/neuter feral cats. Kittens 4 months of age and under are made into pets. There are several people, myself included, who also participate in this rehabilitation. I currently share my house with 2 formerly feral cats. Both trapped at a young age, both very gentle, and sweet. I've never been viciously bitten or scratched by them or by any other feral kittens I've rehabed.
I also participated in feeding colony's of feral cats. Never been bitten, never been attacked by them either. Wouldn't pet on without it's consent, mind you.
So, there are responsible people out there taking care of others irresponsible acts.
I also participated in feeding colony's of feral cats. Never been bitten, never been attacked by them either. Wouldn't pet on without it's consent, mind you.
So, there are responsible people out there taking care of others irresponsible acts.
Personally I think thats cruel and inhumane. They are wild animals, cats are not truly domesticated, tamed would be a better term.
You are taking wild animals and sterilizing them, and turning their offspring into pets. Why not do it with Racoons, Rabbits or Ferrets? All make equally good pets, but they are all wild animals.
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June 4th, 2007, 01:18 PM
Hell if you have the ability like Doug Zeus you can keep bears and train them to do all sorts of work in movies with bigshot actors. But that isn't the point.
There is a huge benefit to keeping some animals as pet companions as long as they are cared for in a responsible way. So to cut that off would be as much a dis-service as what we have now.
Like most issues this one belongs somewhere in balance.
Quoting Zzarchov
Ferrets and Rabbits are pets. Raccons will come for food and water eat right out of your hand if you want. But they are big as dogs with hands. They sleep all day and party all night, so if you have a lifestyle that equates to that then you are fine. But if you are like the great majority of people who live within city limits, a racoon isn't going to make a good pet at all.
Personally I think thats cruel and inhumane. They are wild animals, cats are not truly domesticated, tamed would be a better term.
You are taking wild animals and sterilizing them, and turning their offspring into pets. Why not do it with Racoons, Rabbits or Ferrets? All make equally good pets, but they are all wild animals.
You are taking wild animals and sterilizing them, and turning their offspring into pets. Why not do it with Racoons, Rabbits or Ferrets? All make equally good pets, but they are all wild animals.
Hell if you have the ability like Doug Zeus you can keep bears and train them to do all sorts of work in movies with bigshot actors. But that isn't the point.
There is a huge benefit to keeping some animals as pet companions as long as they are cared for in a responsible way. So to cut that off would be as much a dis-service as what we have now.
Like most issues this one belongs somewhere in balance.
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June 4th, 2007, 01:29 PM
I think hunting them is a little harsh BUT I swear there should be leash laws for the little suckers
I don't have the technology OR the money to rent them traps and return all the little long-leggedy turd-buriers to the Humane Society
But still, as much as I hate them (mostly for what they represent, pure entitlement- it't not their fault but to talk with offending owners shows where the problem really lies) I can't see how hunting them would actually help up here.
I think hunting them is a little harsh BUT I swear there should be leash laws for the little suckers
I don't have the technology OR the money to rent them traps and return all the little long-leggedy turd-buriers to the Humane Society
But still, as much as I hate them (mostly for what they represent, pure entitlement- it't not their fault but to talk with offending owners shows where the problem really lies) I can't see how hunting them would actually help up here.
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June 4th, 2007, 01:44 PM
Now if you still think this form of prevention iss cruel, your weird.
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You think it's cruel and inhumane to neuter a male cat to prevent disease and painful abcesses that cause a painful death? And stops the transmission of FIV (feline aids) and feline luekemia. You think it's better they die a slow painful death because of human negligence? You think it's better that a mother cat bring litter upon litter into the world and then die a slow painful death by age 2? A feral cat can hope to live to the age of 2 maybe 3 with luck without human interferance. They live horrible miserable lives. The domestic cat is NOT a wild cat. They are completely different. Just ask any conservation centre which is trying to keep real wild cats from going exctinct and from being interbred with our domestic cats for designer breeds such as the bengel.
Personally I think thats cruel and inhumane. They are wild animals, cats are not truly domesticated, tamed would be a better term.
You are taking wild animals and sterilizing them, and turning their offspring into pets. Why not do it with Racoons, Rabbits or Ferrets? All make equally good pets, but they are all wild animals.
You are taking wild animals and sterilizing them, and turning their offspring into pets. Why not do it with Racoons, Rabbits or Ferrets? All make equally good pets, but they are all wild animals.
Now if you still think this form of prevention iss cruel, your weird.
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June 5th, 2007, 10:15 AM
Seems to me if any animal is threatening populated areas or human or pet populations, the animal should be terminated. As for going into the woods and hunting animals, what is different from a wild cat and a wild deer? If we allow one, why not the other? Obviously running down Main Street hunting deer would not be acceptable and neither should hunting cats.
I also think too many people are allowed to own pets when they shouldn't. Of course the same can be said for kids.
Seems to me if any animal is threatening populated areas or human or pet populations, the animal should be terminated. As for going into the woods and hunting animals, what is different from a wild cat and a wild deer? If we allow one, why not the other? Obviously running down Main Street hunting deer would not be acceptable and neither should hunting cats.
I also think too many people are allowed to own pets when they shouldn't. Of course the same can be said for kids.
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June 5th, 2007, 10:42 AM
The stories I've heard about some of the poor cats that have come into the shelter. One lady left a kitten on her patio with no food or water because her kid brought it home and she didn't want it. If it wasn't for a kind neighbour hearing this poor kitten crying, it would have died.
There are 2 popular reasons for taking a cat to the shelter. 1. divorce. - neither wants the cat now. 2. New baby- the cat might kill the baby, or the baby might be allergic, or any other stupid excuse.
Responsibility is a fair weather friend these days. It's only a responsiblity if it's on the good side.
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I'm with you here!
I also think too many people are allowed to own pets when they shouldn't. Of course the same can be said for kids.
The stories I've heard about some of the poor cats that have come into the shelter. One lady left a kitten on her patio with no food or water because her kid brought it home and she didn't want it. If it wasn't for a kind neighbour hearing this poor kitten crying, it would have died.
There are 2 popular reasons for taking a cat to the shelter. 1. divorce. - neither wants the cat now. 2. New baby- the cat might kill the baby, or the baby might be allergic, or any other stupid excuse.
Responsibility is a fair weather friend these days. It's only a responsiblity if it's on the good side.
June 5th, 2007, 10:52 AM
Quoting triedit
A Wiccan believer that wants to kill all cats......hmmmmmmm! Surely you josh
There is absolutely no good use for cats. We should kill them all. You can start with my two furry little poop machines. I'll throw in the psycho dog for good measure.
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June 5th, 2007, 11:17 AM
Feral cats are a menace to the bird population. We have a half dozen bird feeders in our back yard and we enjoy seeing the Chickadees, the Finches, and all the different varieties of Swallows and Sparrows, and Woodpeckers that we have in our part of the world. I tend to agree that all feral cats should be shot. Domestic pets usually have their Rabies shots and other vaccinations up to date. Feral cats do not.
Feral cats are a menace to the bird population. We have a half dozen bird feeders in our back yard and we enjoy seeing the Chickadees, the Finches, and all the different varieties of Swallows and Sparrows, and Woodpeckers that we have in our part of the world. I tend to agree that all feral cats should be shot. Domestic pets usually have their Rabies shots and other vaccinations up to date. Feral cats do not.
June 5th, 2007, 11:31 AM
Seriously though, they aren't endangered, they are often pests, and they roam uncontrolled even when laws exist. Im fine with rounding up strays and euthenizing them.
Quoting DaSleeper
Don't call me Shirley!
A Wiccan believer that wants to kill all cats......hmmmmmmm! Surely you josh
Seriously though, they aren't endangered, they are often pests, and they roam uncontrolled even when laws exist. Im fine with rounding up strays and euthenizing them.
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June 5th, 2007, 12:54 PM
The Buddha warned due to the inevitable killing of insects during the squeezing to produce hemp oil, one will expierence great pincers sqeezing you to death in the bardo repeatdly over the 49 day stay there.
Fact or myth, dunno...
There's a warning sign on the road ahead , there's a lot people saying we'd be better off dead!
The Buddha warned due to the inevitable killing of insects during the squeezing to produce hemp oil, one will expierence great pincers sqeezing you to death in the bardo repeatdly over the 49 day stay there.
Fact or myth, dunno...
There's a warning sign on the road ahead , there's a lot people saying we'd be better off dead!
