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A Basic Income for Everybody - The Forgotten Development Idea | The Communication Initiative Network

In 2008, a coalition of NGOs and umbrella church organisations started a small revolution in Namibia and the world took no notice. In January of that year, the BIG (Basic Income Grant) Project started to pay out 100 Namibian Dollars (8.6 British Pound in today's money) per month to every citizen of the small rural town of Omitara in cash. The only requirement for the monthly grant was to be an actual citizen of Omitara, a status that was established during a baseline study in mid 2007, and to be aged below 60 years of age (Namibians of 60 years and older are eligible for a 500 N$ / month national pension). The BIG thus became the first Basic Income Scheme ever tested in a field trial.

The pilot project of Omitara should give the nay-sayers a pause. Reading through the final report, some striking figures come up: Household poverty was halved in one year, child malnutrition was cut from 42% to 10% and school dropouts fell from 40% to zero. The overall crime rate fell by 42% and lifestock ownership increased. At the same time, the rate of those engaged in income generating activities rose by 10% - refuting the claim that a basic income would make people lazy.
 

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A Basic Income for Everybody - The Forgotten Development Idea | The Communication Initiative Network

In 2008, a coalition of NGOs and umbrella church organisations started a small revolution in Namibia and the world took no notice. In January of that year, the BIG (Basic Income Grant) Project started to pay out 100 Namibian Dollars (8.6 British Pound in today's money) per month to every citizen of the small rural town of Omitara in cash. The only requirement for the monthly grant was to be an actual citizen of Omitara, a status that was established during a baseline study in mid 2007, and to be aged below 60 years of age (Namibians of 60 years and older are eligible for a 500 N$ / month national pension). The BIG thus became the first Basic Income Scheme ever tested in a field trial.

The pilot project of Omitara should give the nay-sayers a pause. Reading through the final report, some striking figures come up: Household poverty was halved in one year, child malnutrition was cut from 42% to 10% and school dropouts fell from 40% to zero. The overall crime rate fell by 42% and lifestock ownership increased. At the same time, the rate of those engaged in income generating activities rose by 10% - refuting the claim that a basic income would make people lazy.
Horrible idea. Did they make any mention of the inflation rate caused from handing out money for no corresponding increase in productivity? You can't just hand out money and make everything ok. It does not work. Expand that program to the entire country and the end result will not look pretty. Sure, on a trial basis in a small region it might appear to work because there are enough people actually working to create the necessary wealth that is later given to the trial group. Expand that program to everyone and it will have horrible outcomes.

Look deeper into the issue and find out if there have been any endorsements from any note worthy economist. You will likely find that if any economists have commented on the issue, it's been to say that it will not work.
 

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Works better for anti-poverty measures than the minimum wage does, and that does have support amongst economists.
 

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The way I see it, a guaranteed income is for those who cannot work or temporarily unemployed, it is not for those who will not work. Africa already has millions of indolent men in rural areas who have several wives and many children so they don't have to work. Which is why African countries have famine and food shortages. Indolent means lazy.

Old age pensions are good, disability pensions are good. This idea is not good. Give away your own money.
 

CUBert

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The way I see it, a guaranteed income is for those who cannot work or temporarily unemployed, it is not for those who will not work. Africa already has millions of indolent men in rural areas who have several wives and many children so they don't have to work. Which is why African countries have famine and food shortages. Indolent means lazy.

Old age pensions are good, disability pensions are good. This idea is not good. Give away your own money.

Hahahahaha, the root cause of famine in Africa is laziness!
 

dumpthemonarchy

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Hitchens says to solve poverty you give women control over their fertility, meaning, reducing the number of kids they have. Partly right. Another answer to poverty is work.

Mother Theresa was a fraud, she was a friend of poverty, not the poor. Poverty was her business.

Hitchens says Nazism is not secular because in Mein Kampf, Hitler mentioned that he is doing God's work. The Vatican, which is one of the great book banning organization in history, declined to ban Mein Kampf. All Nazis soldiers wore on their belt a slogan that said, "God is on our side."