Nuremberg Trials or Nuremberg Lynch Mob

[MHz]

(in part)
The Nuremberg Trials and the Holocaust

Do the 'war crimes' trials prove extermination?

by Mark Weber A common response to expressions of skepticism about the Holocaust story is to say something like "What about Nuremberg? What about the trials and all the evidence?!" This reaction is understandable because the many postwar "war crimes" trials have given explicit, authoritative judicial legitimacy to the Holocaust extermination story.
By far the most important of these was the great Nuremberg trial of 1945-1946, officially known as the International Military Tribunal (IMT). The governments of the United States, the Soviet Union, Britain and France put on trial the most prominent surviving German leaders as "Major War Criminals" for various "war crimes," "crimes against peace," and "crimes against humanity." In the words of the Tribunal's Charter, these "Nazi conspirators" carried out their crimes as part of a great "Common Plan or Conspiracy."
In addition, twelve secondary Nuremberg trials (NMT) organized by the US government alone were conducted between 1946 to 1949. Similar trials were also conducted by the British at Lüneburg and Hamburg, and by the United States at Dachau. Since then, many other Holocaust-related trials have been held in West Germany, Israel and the United States, including the highly-publicized trials in Jerusalem of Adolf Eichmann and John Demjanjuk.
Germany's wartime treatment of the Jews figured prominently in the Nuremberg trials. In their condemnation of the defendants, the Allies gave special emphasis to the alleged extermination of six million European Jews. Chief US prosecutor Robert H. Jackson, for example, declared in his opening address to the Tribunal: (note 1)

The most savage and numerous crimes planned and committed by the Nazis were those against the Jews ... It is my purpose to show a plan and design, to which all Nazis were fanatically committed, to annihilate all Jewish people.... The avowed purpose was the destruction of the Jewish people as a whole... The conspiracy or common plan to exterminate the Jews was ... methodically and thoroughly pursued... History does not record a crime ever perpetrated against so many victims or one ever carried out with such calculated cruelty.
​

Echoing these words, chief British prosecutor Sir Hartley Shawcross declared in his final address to the Tribunal: (note 2)

There is one group to which the method of annihilation was applied on a scale so immense that it is my duty to refer separately to the evidence. I mean the extermination of the Jews. If there were no other crime against these men [the defendants], this one alone, in which all of them were implicated, would suffice. History holds no parallel to these horrors.
​

How compelling was the evidence presented at Nuremberg to substantiate such damning words? How did the defendants respond to the charges?
While much of the specific testimony and documentation presented in these trials has been dealt with in other Journal articles, here we take a closer look at the general trustworthiness of the evidence cited at Nuremberg and elsewhere for the Holocaust extermination story. This chapter also focuses on the basic character of these trials, which have played such an important role in "legitimizing" the Holocaust story.
Political justice

The Nuremberg enterprise violated ancient and fundamental principles of justice. The victorious Allies acted as prosecutor, judge and executioner of the German leaders. The charges were created especially for the occasion, and were applied only to the vanquished. (note 3) Defeated, starving, prostrate Germany was, however, in no position to oppose whatever the Allied occupation powers demanded.
As even some leading Allied figures privately acknowledged at the time, the Nuremberg trials were organized not to dispense impartial justice, but for political purposes. Sir Norman Birkett, British alternate judge at the Nuremberg Tribunal, explained in a private letter in April 1946 that "the trial is only in form a judicial process and its main importance is political." (note 4)
Robert Jackson, the chief US prosecutor and a former US Attorney General, declared that the Nuremberg Tribunal "is a continuation of the war effort of the Allied nations" against Germany. He added that the Tribunal "is not bound by the procedural and substantive refinements of our respective judicial or constitutional system ..." (note 5)




The Nuremberg Trials (part 1)

"Robert Jackson, the chief US prosecutor and a former US Attorney General, declared that the Nuremberg Tribunal "is a continuation of the war effort of the Allied nations" against Germany. He added that the Tribunal "is not bound by the procedural and substantive refinements of our respective judicial or constitutional system ."

Rebuttals?Links not candy-ass opinions

 

[DaSleeper]

Keep popping them of....you're on a roll..............same bait

 

[CDNBear]

Mhz loves Nazi's encounters Nuremburg nuttery. The goldfish tires his vocal north against the yard. Should a sphere volunteer? Mhz loves Nazi's interrupts Nuremburg nuttery above an unsound friendship. Mhz loves Nazi's soaps a practicing particle within the clinical crossroad. The originator assaults Mhz loves Nazi's near a military wolf.

 

[MHz]

Keep popping them of....you're on a roll..............same bait

Nothing in that post worth noting as being new. So you must have all the info the article contains and you still promote the bull**** version. Notice how more time passes that things remain the same.
(stay tuned, it gets worse, much worse)
Torture

Allied prosecutors used torture to help prove their case at Nuremberg and other postwar trials. (note 72)
Former Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Höss was tortured by British officials into signing a false and self-incriminating "confession" that has been widely cited as a key document of Holocaust extermination. His testimony before the Nuremberg Tribunal, a high point of the proceeding, was perhaps the most striking and memorable evidence presented there of a German extermination program. (note 73) Höss maintained that two and half million people had been killed in Auschwitz gas chambers, and that another 500,000 inmates had died there of other causes. No serious or reputable historian now accepts either of these fantastic figures, and other key portions of Höss' "confession" are now generally acknowledged to be untrue. (note 74)
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn has cited the case of Jupp Aschenbrenner, a Bavarian who was tortured into signing a statement that he had worked on mobile gas chambers ("gas vans") during the war. It wasn't until several years later that he was finally able to prove that he had actually spent that time in Munich studying to become an electric welder. (note 75)
Fritz Sauckel, head of the German wartime labor mobilization program, was sentenced to death at the main Nuremberg trial. An important piece of evidence presented to the Tribunal by the US prosecution was an affidavit signed by the defendant. (Nuremberg document 3057-PS.) It turned out that Sauckel had put his signature to this self-incriminating statement, which had been presented to him by his captors in finished form, only after he was bluntly told that if he hesitated, his wife and children would be turned over to the Soviets. "I did not stop to consider, and thinking of my family, I signed the document," Sauckel later declared. (note 76)
Hans Fritzsche, another defendant in the main Nuremberg trial, was similarly forced to sign a self-damning confession while he was a prisoner of the Soviet secret police in Moscow. (Nuremberg document USSR-474.) (note 77)
Nuremberg defendant Julius Streicher, who was eventually hanged because he published a sometimes sensational anti-Jewish weekly paper, was brutally mistreated following his arrest. He was badly beaten, kicked, whipped, spat at, forced to drink saliva and burned with cigarettes. His genitals were beaten. Eyebrow and chest hair was pulled out. He was stripped and photographed. Fellow defendant Hans Frank was savagely beaten by two black GIs shortly after his arrest. August Eigruber, former Gauleiter of Upper Austria, was mutilated and castrated at the end of the war. (note 78)
Josef Kramer, former commandant of both the BergenBelsen and Auschwitz-Birkenau camps, and other defendants in the British-run "Belsen" trial, were reportedly also tortured, some of them so brutally that they begged to be put to death. (note 79)
Although most of the defendants at the main Nuremberg trial were not tortured, many other Germans were forced to sign affidavits and give testimony against their former colleagues and superiors. A simple threat to turn the subject over to the Soviets was often enough to persuade him to sign an affidavit or provide testimony needed in court. Threats against the subject's wife and children, including withdrawal of ration cards, delivery to the Soviets or imprisonment, often quickly produced the desired results. If all else failed, the subject could be placed in solitary confinement, beaten, kicked, whipped or burned until he broke down. (note 80)
The testimony of the prosecution's chief witness in the Nuremberg "Wilhelmstrasse" trial was obtained by threat of death. The American defense attorney, Warren Magee, had somehow obtained the transcript of the first pretrial interrogation of Friedrich Gaus, a former senior official in the German Foreign Office. Despite frantic protests by prosecuting attorney Robert Kempner, the judge decided to permit Magee to read from the document. During the pretrial interrogation session, Kempner told Gaus that he would be turned over to the Soviets for hanging. Tearfully pleading for mercy, Gaus begged Kempner to think of his wife and children. Kempner replied that he could save himself only by testifying in court against his former colleagues. A desperate Gaus, who had already endured four weeks in solitary confinement, agreed. When Magee finished reading from the damning transcript, Gaus sat with both hands to his face, totally devastated. (note 81)
American soldiers repeatedly beat former SS captain Konrad Morgen in an unsuccessful effort to force him to sign a perjured affidavit against Ilse Koch, a defendant in the US military's 1947 "Buchenwald" case. American officials also threatened to turn Morgen over to the Soviets if he did not sign the false statement. (note 82)

 

[CDNBear]

Mhz bull**** version speaks inside a salary. The discipline prostitutes Joo Nuremburg. Mhz bull**** version airs the context. The phrase withdraws? The cough parades Joo Nuremburg opposite the slot.

 

[Colpy]

The fact remains that when the smoke cleared, there were approximately 5.7 million Jews missing from Nazi-occupied Europe. Perhaps you could go to Montreal, to the Jewish people there, many of them with numbers tattooed down their arms, and explain to these aged survivors that there was no holocaust....I'm sure you would get a warm reception.

The Nuremberg Trials were a mistake. International law is always a joke, especially when the prosecution includes people from Stalin's USSR. The pretense of an international law that was really the victors punishing the vanquished.......

I am of the same opinion as Mr. Churchill. Just shoot the top dogs, no trial necessary.....then get on with rebuilding Europe.

Be that as it may, the evidence of the holocaust in beyond doubt, from German train records, to statistical demographics, to eye witness accounts, to physical evidence on site.

 

[DaSleeper]

Nothing in that post worth noting as being new. So you must have all the info the article contains and you still promote the bull**** version. Notice how more time passes that things remain the same.
(stay tuned, it gets worse, much worse)
Torture)

 

[MHz]

The fact remains that when the smoke cleared, there were approximately 5.7 million Jews missing from Nazi-occupied Europe. Perhaps you could go to Montreal, to the Jewish people there, many of them with numbers tattooed down their arms, and explain to these aged survivors that there was no holocaust....I'm sure you would get a warm reception.

I was kind of derbating if you were part of the 'collective', if you aren't already fully immersed yet it's damn close, what is holding yoiu apart is you do reply to the material posted, even if it is a limited fashion.
The figures are cooked, would the Jews in Quebec agree or disagree with the content of the whole article as being accurate or not? The scale of the Holocaust is what is being questioned, on that point you are intentionally being misleading on what the article(s) is saying. To hold up your version (without really adding anything) it has to be an all or nothing number. If you can't tell the difference between 6,000,0000 and 1,500,000 then it is now wonder you post what you do, that isn't even meant as an insult, but it does mean I think you are a little careless in what you take as 'truthful information'.

The Nuremberg Trials were a mistake. International law is always a joke, especially when the prosecution includes people from Stalin's USSR. The pretense of an international law that was really the victors punishing the vanquished.......

There is a lot of consequences around today that is based on those trials being fair and impartial.

I am of the same opinion as Mr. Churchill. Just shoot the top dogs, no trial necessary.....then get on with rebuilding Europe.

So is that the route we should take, oh wait, wasn't that the same game-plan used in Afghanistan and Iraq?

Be that as it may, the evidence of the holocaust in beyond doubt, from German train records, to statistical demographics, to eye witness accounts, to physical evidence on site.

Is that holding true to your stated numbers or revised to be a very large number. I don't deny that many did die, along with many more that weren't Jewish.

 

[Colpy]

I was kind of derbating if you were part of the 'collective', if you aren't already fully immersed yet it's damn close, what is holding yoiu apart is you do reply to the material posted, even if it is a limited fashion.
The figures are cooked, would the Jews in Quebec agree or disagree with the content of the whole article as being accurate or not? The scale of the Holocaust is what is being questioned, on that point you are intentionally being misleading on what the article(s) is saying. To hold up your version (without really adding anything) it has to be an all or nothing number. If you can't tell the difference between 6,000,0000 and 1,500,000 then it is now wonder you post what you do, that isn't even meant as an insult, but it does mean I think you are a little careless in what you take as 'truthful information'.


There is a lot of consequences around today that is based on those trials being fair and impartial.


So is that the route we should take, oh wait, wasn't that the same game-plan used in Afghanistan and Iraq?


Is that holding true to your stated numbers or revised to be a very large number. I don't deny that many did die, along with many more that weren't Jewish.

So why argue the point?

The simple fact is that the most respected historians on earth agree that there were close to six million Jews murdered by the Germans.......

But you know what? The exact number is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the German people co-operated and enthusiastically embraced the murder of vast numbers of innocent people for no other reason than their religion.

Deal with it.

 

[MHz]

The simple fact is that the most respected historians on earth agree that there were close to six million Jews murdered by the Germans.......

But you know what? The exact number is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the German people co-operated and enthusiastically embraced the murder of vast numbers of innocent people for no other reason than their religion.

Like some of the authors of the Holocaust books? A lot of them are being shown to be lying about events (for whatever reason) and your 'opinion' is 'so what' if some things are in error. The vid "1/3 of the Holocaust is Missing' explores some of the things promoted by 'most respected historians on earth' so why should I have to accept your fudged numbers as the 'truth'. Obviously you don't care about the facts as long as the agenda remains intact.You may see that as noble or patriotic but keeping your friends and relatives out of needless wars is the right way to protect them and keep them safe. If you take the combined deaths of everybody from WWI and WWII that is the price paid so the Rothschild bankers could have the state of Israel added to their collection of posessions, with the Jews as their servants. If 'after the fact' protection was provided to the Jews then who is protecting them from the exploitation they have been under since before either war was started.

(in part)
According to Wikipedia, 3.8 million people died in the following "extermination camps...80 to 90% were Jews or half of the Jews killed in the Holocaust":
Auschwitz 1.4 million deaths X 85% or 1.2 million Jews
Treblinka 870,000 deaths X 85% or 740,000 Jews
Belzek 600,000 deaths X 85% or 510,000 Jews
Jasenovak 600,000 deaths X 85% or (Few Jews)
Chelmno 320,000 deaths X 85% or 272,000 Jews
Majdanek 360,000 deaths X 85% or 306,000 Jews
Sobibor 250,000 deaths X 85% or 212,000 Jews
But when you read the Wikipedia articles on the individual camps, significant discrepancies begin to emerge, as shown in the following abstracts:
In 1989 Auschwitz corrected its monuments and reduced the number of deaths from 4 million to 1.1 million yet the 6 million total never changed (the savings at Auschwitz were picked up in other camps). Also, the International Red Cross and detailed German death records indicate that only about 150,000 died at Auschwitz of whom 30,000 were Jews. Wikipedia ignores or dismisses such records. (Compare with 1.2 million above.)
In Treblinka, The Höfle Telegram listed 713,555 Jews killed up to the end of December 1942. With the addition of 1943 transports listed in Yitzhak Arad's book, one may arrive at the figure 800,000. (Compare with 740,000 above.)
At Belzek, at least 434,500 Jews were killed. (Compare with 510,000 above.)
The Jasenovac Memorial Area keeps a list of 69,842 names of Jasenovac victims: 39,580 Serbs, 14,599 Roma, 10,700 Jews, 3,462 Croats as well as people of some other ethnicities. ("The world's eminent authority on Holocaust victims, Yad Vashem Center, claims 600,000.")
In the Chelmno camp, at least 152,000 people were killed, mainly Jews from the Lódz Ghetto. (Compare with 272,000 above.)
According to the official Majdanek State Museum about 300,000 inmates passed through the camp, over 40% Jews. The most recent research by the Majdanek Museum indicates that there were 78,000 victims, 59,000 of whom were Jews. (Compare with 306,000 above.)
At least 250,000 people were killed in Sobibór. The victims were mostly Jews from Poland.
The deaths listed for the remaining sites do not come close to another 3.8 million, much less 80 to 90% Jews. Some samples are:
The total number of deaths at Buchenwald is estimated at 56,545 with little mention of Jews.
At Bergen-Belsen, an estimated 50,000 people died there, up to 35,000 of them dying of typhus in the first few months of 1945.
Of the roughly 30,000 wartime victims at Sachsenhausen, most were Russian prisoners of war.
At Maly Trostenets Yad Vashem currently estimates the number killed as 65,000 while German historian Christian Gerlach estimates the number to be in the range of 40,000-60,000, mostly Jews from Minsk.
At Ravensbruk, about 30,000 to 40,000 women and children perished there, mostly Polish, few Jews.
Various historians place the total death toll in the four main camps of Mauthausen, Gusen I, Gusen II and Gusen III at between 55,000 and 60,000.
Over 200,000 prisoners were housed in Dachau of which nearly one-third were Jews; 32,099 prisoners are believed to have died in the camp and almost another 10,000 in its subcamps, primarily from disease.
At Dachau signs now read that the facilities were never used as gas chambers to murder anyone. In fact, there's no evidence that any "death camps" used poison gas, gas chambers or gas ovens to kill. Yet Wikipedia lists millions of Jews murdered in every camp in poison gas chambers that could hold thousands of people at a time. This is necessary to account for the number of deaths, "75% of all European Jews".
Wikipedia also states that 11 million people died in the "death camps", almost the same number of non-Jews as Jews. How does this fit with the claim that 80 to 90% of the deaths in the principal "death camps" were Jews. Millions of non-Jews have just disappeared. Finally, Wikipedia states that the first credible news of the "death camps" arrived in the West around D-Day, June, 1944, yet the Holocaust Industry is still trying to collect reparations from America for its failure to intervene at an earlier date in the European War on behalf of the Jews.
An important objective study, which is suppressed, is the 1948 report by the International Red Cross, covering its activities during World War II (1942-1945) in the camps maintained by the German authorities. They were allowed to deliver over one million parcels of food, clothing and medicine to the inmates. It stated their efforts were hindered not by the Germans but by the Allied blockade of Germany and the dire situation in Germany during the final months of the war was due to "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (carpet bombing). It also states that large numbers of "the three million or so European Jews avoided internment altogether". Did they say 3 million? (It seems there was a massive migration of Jews out of Europe in the 1930's to America and in the 1940's to Israel.) There is no mention whatsoever of genocide, gas chambers, death showers, poison gas, etc.; quite the contrary.
In lengthy books about World War II written by Churchill and Eisenhower, there is not a single mention of Jews being genocided in Nazi "death camps".
Qualified engineers inspected the "death camps" and stated that the facilities were showers and could not be used as gas chambers and that the alleged deaths were "impossible". They were imprisoned.
There is ample testimony of eyewitness inmates which belie the existence of "death camps". They are suppressed or imprisoned.
The Nuremberg trials were hate theater orchestrated by the Zionists under the London Agreement. Testimony was obtained by torture. German generals were castrated by constant kicks to the groin.
In 1933 Samuel Untermeyer said there were 14 million Jews in the world. By 1940 this exploded to 17 million (an astonishing racial fecundity) and then imploded to 11 million in 1945 due to the Holocaust. But in an article in 1948, Hanson Baldwin, the war expert of the New York Times, said there were then 15 to 17 million Jews in the world, almost the same number as 1940.
Earlier demographers said that there were 14 to 15 million Jews during the period of the "Holocaust". Today there are less than 14 million, about the same number as in 1933. Almost half are now in the United States, twice the number of 1920.
THE HOLOCAUST AND THE FOUR MILLION VARIANT

 

[CDNBear]

Mhz bull**** cut&paste scores a queen near a sock. Mhz bull**** cut&paste lists the fancy landscape over the multiple baby. Mhz bull**** cut&paste distances Babble. The bone vouches Babble across the beef. Why does Babble rail the poorest chalk? The brief pin fusses below the extended budget.

 

[Colpy]

Like some of the authors of the Holocaust books? A lot of them are being shown to be lying about events (for whatever reason) and your 'opinion' is 'so what' if some things are in error. The vid "1/3 of the Holocaust is Missing' explores some of the things promoted by 'most respected historians on earth' so why should I have to accept your fudged numbers as the 'truth'. Obviously you don't care about the facts as long as the agenda remains intact.You may see that as noble or patriotic but keeping your friends and relatives out of needless wars is the right way to protect them and keep them safe. If you take the combined deaths of everybody from WWI and WWII that is the price paid so the Rothschild bankers could have the state of Israel added to their collection of posessions, with the Jews as their servants. If 'after the fact' protection was provided to the Jews then who is protecting them from the exploitation they have been under since before either war was started.

(in part)
According to Wikipedia, 3.8 million people died in the following "extermination camps...80 to 90% were Jews or half of the Jews killed in the Holocaust":
Auschwitz 1.4 million deaths X 85% or 1.2 million Jews
Treblinka 870,000 deaths X 85% or 740,000 Jews
Belzek 600,000 deaths X 85% or 510,000 Jews
Jasenovak 600,000 deaths X 85% or (Few Jews)
Chelmno 320,000 deaths X 85% or 272,000 Jews
Majdanek 360,000 deaths X 85% or 306,000 Jews
Sobibor 250,000 deaths X 85% or 212,000 Jews
But when you read the Wikipedia articles on the individual camps, significant discrepancies begin to emerge, as shown in the following abstracts:
In 1989 Auschwitz corrected its monuments and reduced the number of deaths from 4 million to 1.1 million yet the 6 million total never changed (the savings at Auschwitz were picked up in other camps). Also, the International Red Cross and detailed German death records indicate that only about 150,000 died at Auschwitz of whom 30,000 were Jews. Wikipedia ignores or dismisses such records. (Compare with 1.2 million above.)
In Treblinka, The Höfle Telegram listed 713,555 Jews killed up to the end of December 1942. With the addition of 1943 transports listed in Yitzhak Arad's book, one may arrive at the figure 800,000. (Compare with 740,000 above.)
At Belzek, at least 434,500 Jews were killed. (Compare with 510,000 above.)
The Jasenovac Memorial Area keeps a list of 69,842 names of Jasenovac victims: 39,580 Serbs, 14,599 Roma, 10,700 Jews, 3,462 Croats as well as people of some other ethnicities. ("The world's eminent authority on Holocaust victims, Yad Vashem Center, claims 600,000.")
In the Chelmno camp, at least 152,000 people were killed, mainly Jews from the Lódz Ghetto. (Compare with 272,000 above.)
According to the official Majdanek State Museum about 300,000 inmates passed through the camp, over 40% Jews. The most recent research by the Majdanek Museum indicates that there were 78,000 victims, 59,000 of whom were Jews. (Compare with 306,000 above.)
At least 250,000 people were killed in Sobibór. The victims were mostly Jews from Poland.
The deaths listed for the remaining sites do not come close to another 3.8 million, much less 80 to 90% Jews. Some samples are:
The total number of deaths at Buchenwald is estimated at 56,545 with little mention of Jews.
At Bergen-Belsen, an estimated 50,000 people died there, up to 35,000 of them dying of typhus in the first few months of 1945.
Of the roughly 30,000 wartime victims at Sachsenhausen, most were Russian prisoners of war.
At Maly Trostenets Yad Vashem currently estimates the number killed as 65,000 while German historian Christian Gerlach estimates the number to be in the range of 40,000-60,000, mostly Jews from Minsk.
At Ravensbruk, about 30,000 to 40,000 women and children perished there, mostly Polish, few Jews.
Various historians place the total death toll in the four main camps of Mauthausen, Gusen I, Gusen II and Gusen III at between 55,000 and 60,000.
Over 200,000 prisoners were housed in Dachau of which nearly one-third were Jews; 32,099 prisoners are believed to have died in the camp and almost another 10,000 in its subcamps, primarily from disease.
At Dachau signs now read that the facilities were never used as gas chambers to murder anyone. In fact, there's no evidence that any "death camps" used poison gas, gas chambers or gas ovens to kill. Yet Wikipedia lists millions of Jews murdered in every camp in poison gas chambers that could hold thousands of people at a time. This is necessary to account for the number of deaths, "75% of all European Jews".
Wikipedia also states that 11 million people died in the "death camps", almost the same number of non-Jews as Jews. How does this fit with the claim that 80 to 90% of the deaths in the principal "death camps" were Jews. Millions of non-Jews have just disappeared. Finally, Wikipedia states that the first credible news of the "death camps" arrived in the West around D-Day, June, 1944, yet the Holocaust Industry is still trying to collect reparations from America for its failure to intervene at an earlier date in the European War on behalf of the Jews.
An important objective study, which is suppressed, is the 1948 report by the International Red Cross, covering its activities during World War II (1942-1945) in the camps maintained by the German authorities. They were allowed to deliver over one million parcels of food, clothing and medicine to the inmates. It stated their efforts were hindered not by the Germans but by the Allied blockade of Germany and the dire situation in Germany during the final months of the war was due to "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (carpet bombing). It also states that large numbers of "the three million or so European Jews avoided internment altogether". Did they say 3 million? (It seems there was a massive migration of Jews out of Europe in the 1930's to America and in the 1940's to Israel.) There is no mention whatsoever of genocide, gas chambers, death showers, poison gas, etc.; quite the contrary.
In lengthy books about World War II written by Churchill and Eisenhower, there is not a single mention of Jews being genocided in Nazi "death camps".
Qualified engineers inspected the "death camps" and stated that the facilities were showers and could not be used as gas chambers and that the alleged deaths were "impossible". They were imprisoned.
There is ample testimony of eyewitness inmates which belie the existence of "death camps". They are suppressed or imprisoned.
The Nuremberg trials were hate theater orchestrated by the Zionists under the London Agreement. Testimony was obtained by torture. German generals were castrated by constant kicks to the groin.
In 1933 Samuel Untermeyer said there were 14 million Jews in the world. By 1940 this exploded to 17 million (an astonishing racial fecundity) and then imploded to 11 million in 1945 due to the Holocaust. But in an article in 1948, Hanson Baldwin, the war expert of the New York Times, said there were then 15 to 17 million Jews in the world, almost the same number as 1940.
Earlier demographers said that there were 14 to 15 million Jews during the period of the "Holocaust". Today there are less than 14 million, about the same number as in 1933. Almost half are now in the United States, twice the number of 1920.
THE HOLOCAUST AND THE FOUR MILLION VARIANT

I refuse to argue this crap with you.

The fact remains....the Germans murdered millions of Jews.

Even you can't deny that.

Arguing with you is like trying to nail jello to a wall, a complete waste of time.

 

[CDNBear]

Arguing with you is like trying to nail jello to a wall, a complete waste of time.

Holy sh!t!!! That made me actually LOL.

 

[MHz]

I refuse to argue this crap with you.

The fact remains....the Germans murdered millions of Jews.

Even you can't deny that.

Arguing with you is like trying to nail jello to a wall, a complete waste of time.

That's your right, and yes they did kill millions, but nor 6 million Jews and the number that were killed does not qualify them for possession of somebody elses land. The US has killed a lot more than 10 million in the years sonce then, civilians also, what property were the few survivors given"

I never have denied it, that doesn't mean I have to accept a intentionally misleading number, maybe you have lower moral standards that allows liars to be your teacher(s). Al, that means is accept the version and don't question your orders. I have no doubt that you have intense feeling for any relatives that were killed back then, the best way to honor that sacrifice is to make ****ing sure you own children aren't sucked into a war based on bull****.

You may not like what Benjamin Freedman has to say but at least it is the truth (prove him wrong if you can) and that takes a certain amount of courage even back that far. JFK was no different, his speech on secret societies was bang on, part of the reason the was expired.

 

[TenPenny]

I never have denied it, that doesn't mean I have to accept a intentionally misleading number, maybe you have lower moral standards that allows liars to be your teacher(s).

Your motive for questioning what you consider a misleading number is what makes you not worth discussing it with.

If you ever have a chance to have a quiet moment of insight, look long and hard in the mirror, and see if you can figure out why you have such a hatred for anything and anyone Jewish. It comes through in everything you post, every single day. You must lead an otherwise empty life.

 

[MHz]

It's not very complicated, I don't like lies being passed off as the truth, nor do I have any respect for people who just pass on those same lies. Those people certainly have an agenda and there is nothing moral or upstanding about them or their motives, that could include yourself. You don't give a **** about the truth, the proof in your post. Questioning events and motives about WWII is a reason not to discuss events and motives about WWII.
Take you own ****ing advice, 3 articles leaves lots of room for pointing out errors (that can be verified). Since none have ever been offered then why should I take that to mean the articles are bogus. In a room with some people with some backbone somebody would have the right argument. The one you supplied doesn't do anything in taht area, so raelly what is your agenda, be counted with all the other 'tards that spout **** even when they know it is ****.

As for my empty life, on this site I have a few thread to post on. No use going on any other ones, comments like yours constantly pop up no matter what.
Most people here have definite dislike for Muslims and readily swallow anything that supports that view. Go for it, you might even gain some 'friends', that doesn't change a lie into a truth.

So where am I here, believing in God gets me the idiot label, questioning the extent of some events in WWII has me labeled as a Jew hater and questioning 9/11 has some other similar label. I would still rather be in that position than start repeating things I don't believe.

The OP had some info on torturing the same ones that were to be charged and convicted. Gitmo and a;l; the other black prisons are not Nazi institutions, they are American now and they were American then. If that is morally allowed by you and you fully support the results back then and the use of the same tactics today then who the **** is in your mirror that isn't as corrupt and immoral as the ones doing the actual torture?

(in part)
A double standard

In conducting the Nuremberg trials, the Allied governments themselves violated international law. For one thing, their treatment of the German defendants and the military prisoners who testified violated articles 56, 58 and others of the Geneva convention of July 1929. (note 23)
Justice -- as opposed to vengeance -- is a standard that is applied impartially. At Nuremberg, though, standards of "justice" applied only to the vanquished. The four powers that sat in judgment were themselves guilty of many of the very crimes they accused the German leaders of committing. (note 24) Chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson privately acknowledged in a letter to President Truman that the Allies (note 25)

have done or are doing some of the very things we are prosecuting the Germans for. The French are so violating the Geneva Convention in the treatment of [German] prisoners of war that our command is taking back prisoners sent to them [for forced labor in France]. We are prosecuting plunder and our Allies are practicing it. We say aggressive war is a crime and one of our allies asserts sovereignty over the Baltic States based on no title except conquest.
​

In violation of the first Nuremberg count of "planning, preparation, initiating or waging a war of aggression," the Soviet Union attacked Finland in December 1939 (and was expelled from the League of Nations as a result). A few months later the Red Army invaded Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, and ruthlessly incorporated them into the Soviet Union. The postwar French government violated international law and the Nuremberg charge of "maltreatment of prisoners of war" by employing large numbers of German prisoners of war as forced laborers in France. In 1945 the United States, Britain and the Soviet Union jointly agreed to the brutal deportation of more than ten million Germans from their ancient homes in eastern and central Europe, a violation of the Nuremberg count of "deportation, and other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population." (note 26)
While Allied prosecutors charged the defendants with a "crime against peace" in planning the German invasion of Norway in 1940, the British government eventually had to admit that Britain and France were themselves guilty of the same "crime" in preparing a military invasion of Norway, code-named "Stratford," before the German move. And in August 1941, Britain and the Soviet Union jointly invaded and occupied Iran, a neutral nation. (note 27)
Given this record, it is hardly surprising that the four governments that organized the Nuremberg trial of 1945-1946 included no definition of "aggression" in the Tribunal's Charter. (note 28)
Mikhail Vozlenski, a Soviet historian who served as a translator at the Nuremberg Tribunal in 1946, later recalled that he and the other Soviet personnel felt out of place there because the alleged crimes of the German leaders were "the norm of our life" in the Soviet Union. (note 29) The Soviet role in the proceedings, which the United States fully supported, moved American diplomat and historian George F. Kennan to condemn the entire Nuremberg enterprise as a "horror" and a "mockery." (note 30)
Nuremberg's double standard was condemned at the time by the British weekly The Economist. It pointed out that whereas both Britain and France had supported the expulsion of the Soviet Union from the League of Nations in 1939 for its unprovoked attack against Finland, just six years later these same two governments were cooperating with the USSR as a respected equal at Nuremberg. "Nor should the Western world console itself that the Russians alone stand condemned at the bar of the Allies' own justice," the Economist editorial went on. It continued: (note 31)

... Among crimes against humanity stands the offence of the indiscriminate bombing of civilian populations. Can the Americans who dropped the atom bomb and the British who destroyed the cities of western Germany plead "not guilty" on this count? Crimes against humanity also include the mass expulsion of populations. Can the Anglo-Saxon leaders who at Potsdam condoned the expulsion of millions of Germans from their homes hold themselves completely innocent?... The nations sitting in judgment [at Nuremberg] have so clearly proclaimed themselves exempt from the law which they have administered.
​

An official with the postwar US military occupation administration in Germany commented: "What good are the high-flown morals enunciated at Nuremberg if the Americans have agreed to such things as deportation in documents which bear official signatures, and which, therefore, give the Allies the legal right to do the things which at Nuremberg they described as immoral?" (note 32)
If the Nuremberg Tribunal's standards had been applied to the victors of the Second World War, American General and supreme Allied commander in Europe Dwight Eisenhower would have been hanged. At the end of the war Eisenhower ordered that German prisoners in American military custody were no longer to be treated according to the Geneva Convention on the treatment of prisoners of war. This violation of international law removed masses of Germans from the protection of the International Red Cross (ICRC), and condemned hundreds of thousands of them to slow death by starvation and disease. (note 33)

 

[CDNBear]

A why pardons Mhz grasps straws drinks koolaid. When will WWII anti Joo nutters ally a kitchen? WWII anti Joo nutters offends Mhz grasps straws drinks koolaid. The seventh addresses the physical youth.

 

[TenPenny]

It's not very complicated, I don't like lies being passed off as the truth, nor do I have any respect for people who just pass on those same lies. Those people certainly have an agenda and there is nothing moral or upstanding about them or their motives, that could include yourself. You don't give a **** about the truth, the proof in your post. .

Questioning the truth vs lies is one thing.

Single mindedly hating everything Jewish in every thread is a different concept.

You don't give a **** about the truth, the proof is in every post you make.

 

[MHz]

Questioning the truth vs lies is one thing.

Single mindedly hating everything Jewish in every thread is a different concept.

You don't give a **** about the truth, the proof is in every post you make.

Here I am posting information that is open to review and debunking, if you can, so far all I get is insults and **** posts like yours.

BTW the trials were held too fast to get the Jews to come up with the 6,000,000. They are just going along, fight it and they lose all funding. Even just relatively recently when the loans were to be reduced it just got transferred over to military gifts even after Israel said they had enough hardware. They were basically told (by the US which is a Rothschild lackey) that it was all or nothing so really they are as much under the thumb as the US is, same as nay Nation that owes the banks money and that is every Nation that exists today, except Iceland that is, they had the balls to fire the corrupt Government and even jail some of their bosses, international bankers. who are trying every trick in the book to get them back under debt.

 

[TenPenny]

Here I am posting information that is open to review and debunking, if you can, so far all I get is insults and **** posts like yours.
.

Here I am reading CC, and all I get is **** posts like yours.

Do you ever have any other subject than 'I hate Jews'?