The Non-Jews and Israel

[Liberalman]

The Non-Jews and Israel

There is world condemnation against the state of Israel for trying to insert an amendment into their citizenship law for non-Jews who want to become a citizen of Israel

“I swear that I will be a loyal citizen to the state of Israel, as a Jewish and democratic state, and will uphold its laws.”

The world feels that “a Jewish and democratic state” should not be included in the oath and the oath makes non-Jews second class citizens.

Other countries have that in their citizenship oaths but for some reason Israel should not have that in their oath.

This amendment still has to be voted on and will be in the next couple of weeks.

 

[captain morgan]

The world feels that “a Jewish and democratic state” should not be included in the oath and the oath makes non-Jews second class citizens.

It's a little frightening when other nations are so quick to meddle with relatively innocuous domestic policies of other nations.

 

[Andem]

This is non-news. Israel has repeatedly demonstrated that they are one of the more racist states in the world.

 

[DaSleeper]

Is it not a Jewish state? Is it not a Democratic state?
In Canada you pledge allegiance to the Queen even if you don't believe in a monarchy....

I swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Canada and fulfil my duties as a Canadian citizen.

In the U S you have to renounce allegiance to your country of origin

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.[1]

The Israeli oath is mild in comparison.....

 

[mentalfloss]

Doesn't America do the same thing every time they ban everyone under God?

I guess so. Clearly it's wrong in both cases. Not every American is Christian - or let's say, 'religious' if the God banner is not exclusive to Christianity (even though it is). Ahem.. Similarly not everyone living in Israel is Jewish.

Doesn't make much sense to call a non-jew a jew. It just ain't da truth!

 

[captain morgan]

This is non-news. Israel has repeatedly demonstrated that they are one of the more racist states in the world.

I think that the word xenophobic might be more applicable than racist. On that note, Israel wouldn't be the first nation to pursue that ends; Japan and a number of Middle Eastern nations come to mind as being even more stringent in that area.

 

[DaSleeper]

"Judaism" is the religion and the oath has nothing to do with it.....
How could the State be described other than a Jewish state...
Much ado about nothing.............

 

[Spade]

Swearing fealty to Judaism is swearing fealty to a particular religion. Oaths to religion should not be part of citizenship in a "democracy."

 

[DaSleeper]

Swearing fealty to Judaism is swearing fealty to a particular religion. Oaths to religion should not be part of citizenship in a "democracy."

Of course it is............but..........where do you see Judaism mentioned in the oath...Huh???

 

[Spade]

Read the original post.

 

[Andem]

I think that the word xenophobic might be more applicable than racist. On that note, Israel wouldn't be the first nation to pursue that ends; Japan and a number of Middle Eastern nations come to mind as being even more stringent in that area.

You're calling an apple an orange. It's racism, period.

Ok, have it your way. The holocaust wasn't racism, it was mere xenophobia. *sigh*

 

[DaSleeper]

Read the original post.

Again the op mentions "Jewish State" which it is....there is No mention of Judaism...unless there is invisible writing there....

 

[Spade]

Hmmm.... How do you separate "Jewish State" from "judaism" ? Or are you subscribing to the discredited notions of "race"?

 

[DaSleeper]

Israel was declared a Jewish State in 1948, what is the big deal all of sudden...it's old news....
Homeland for the Jewish people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Simple P C

 

[mentalfloss]

Israel was declared a Jewish State in 1948, what is the big deal all of sudden...it's old news....
Homeland for the Jewish people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Simple P C

Yes, it grew as a movement against antisemitism. But that still doesn't deter from the fact that it should now be more of an egalitarian state. As should all states which try to infuse religion as a prominent ideology.

 

[DaSleeper]

Here is a new conspiracy theory for y'all.....;-)
The United Nations and political correctness in their infinite wisdom are trying to turn all citizens of the globe into replicas of each other because as such people are easier to control.
Distinction based on race and or religion is fast becoming a no-no unless you are Black and/or muslims...the two sacred cows of political correctness....
Down with Joos and Christians.....

 

[captain morgan]

You're calling an apple an orange. It's racism, period.

Ok, have it your way. The holocaust wasn't racism, it was mere xenophobia. *sigh*

To my knowledge, I do not know of any state that does not include a phrase that incorporates some form of recognition of the principles or culture or standards, etc. in their citizenship requirements... In my mind, that does not qualify those nations as being racist; why single-out Israel?

 

[mentalfloss]

Here is a new conspiracy theory for y'all.....;-)
The United Nations and political correctness in their infinite wisdom are trying to turn all citizens of the globe into replicas of each other because as such people are easier to control.
Distinction based on race and or religion is fast becoming a no-no unless you are Black and/or muslims...the two sacred cows of political correctness....
Down with Joos and Christians.....

I don't know what fictitious persona you're trying to make fun of here, but no one in this thread is promoting the level of hypocrisy or mind control you're suggesting. It's simply wrong to assume that the only people living in Israel are Jews, that's all. It's a statistical fact. Accepting that objective reality does not mean anyone is submitting to mind control. And we should accept reality for all states, not just Israel. If you want to continue living in a Rick Sanchez Bizarro world, go right ahead.

 

[Colpy]

I don't know what fictitious persona you're trying to make fun of here, but no one in this thread is promoting the level of hypocrisy or mind control you're suggesting. It's simply wrong to assume that the only people living in Israel are Jews, that's all. It's a statistical fact. Accepting that objective reality does not mean anyone is submitting to mind control. And we should accept reality for all states, not just Israel. If you want to continue living in a Rick Sanchez Bizarro world, go right ahead.

It is REAL simple.......

The oath is not for people born Israeli citizens, be they Muslim, Christian, or Jew.

It is for those that wish to become Israeli citizens.

In that case, the Israeli polity has EVERY RIGHT to demand they be whatever they want.....be it racial, religious, or simply to swear an oath to keeping Israel as it is.......

It is their sandbox (or in this case, rock pile).....they get to make the rules on who stays and who goes.

I only wish Canada would develop the good sense to defend our own culture in some way against the destructive forces in some of our immigration.

 

[mentalfloss]

It is REAL simple.......

The Israeli polity has EVERY RIGHT to demand they be whatever they want.....be it racial, religious

Yes. Quite simple.

If you want to live here, you must be X religion and X race. Otherwise, leave.

Lovely philosophy. Can't wait for Canada to regress 100 years to adopt it. I pledge my allegiance to be a maple syrup and hockey fan for the rest of my life, so help me Canada.

The culture we, and all nations should be adopting is to continue to move forward with opening up civil rights. Giving more opportunity to mesh freedoms and values instead of being restrictive and pointed. But somehow, DaSleeper will have you believe that giving more civil freedoms is in fact, some Orwellian tragedy, lol