Sept. 11 changed view on Iraq: Blair

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LONDON -- The Sept. 11 attacks changed the "calculus of risk" and meant it was no longer possible to contain Saddam Hussein through sanctions, former British Prime Minister Tony Blair said on Friday, explaining why he backed the 2003 U.S.-led invasion that toppled the Iraqi dictator.

Mr. Blair was appearing before an inquiry into Britain's role in the war, to which he committed 45,000 troops. It was the most controversial episode of his 10-year premiership, provoking huge protests, divisions within his Labour Party and accusations he had deceived the public about the justification for invasion.

Under close questioning, Mr. Blair said the Sept. 11, 2001 al-Qaeda attacks on the United States, and the threat of weapons of mass destruction (WMD), meant that the policy of containing Saddam could not continue.

"Up to September 11, we thought he was a risk but we thought it was worth trying to contain it. The crucial thing after September 11 is that the calculus of risk changed," Mr. Blair said.
"The point about this act in New York was that had they been able to kill even more people than those 3,000, they would have. And so after that time, my view was you could not take risks with this issue at all.

"We were advised, obviously, that these people would use chemical or biological weapons or a nuclear device if they could get hold of them, that completely changed our assessment of where the risks for security lay." Seven years after the invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein, and almost three years after Mr. Blair handed over to Gordon Brown, the issue still provokes deep public anger.

Mr. Blair's appearance has been hugely anticipated. Protesters chanting "Tony Blair, war criminal" gathered outside the building opposite parliament where the inquiry was taking place.

Relatives of some of the 179 British soldiers killed in Iraq joined about 100 anti-war demonstrators chanting and waving placards. Names of those killed were also read out.

Mr. Blair, who looked nervous at times as the hearing began, arrived early and entered by a back door amid heavy security and large numbers of police on standby.
"The real question Tony Blair needs to answer in the end will be at The Hague and before a war crimes tribunal," said Andrew Murray, chairman of Stop the War Coalition.

"He is an accomplished actor but I think most people have long since seen through the script."

Mr. Blair's appearance will not only affect his own personal legacy but still has the potential to damage the Labour government of his successor Brown, who was finance minister during the war.

Some Labour leaders fear it will reignite strong feelings on the issue among voters, denting support for a party already trailing the Conservatives in polls in the run-up to an election due by June.

The inquiry has already heard from senior civil servants who said intelligence in the days before the March 20, 2003 invasion indicated that Saddam's WMD had been dismantled.

It will also examine the war's legitimacy and at what stage Mr. Blair, now an international envoy to the Middle East, promised U.S. President George W. Bush that Britain would support military action against Iraq.

Witnesses have suggested Mr. Blair gave that assurance in 2002 although then-Attorney General Peter Goldsmith, the government's top lawyer who eventually gave the invasion the green light, had warned him that using force for regime change would be illegal.

Mr. Goldsmith told the inquiry he originally believed the United Nations had to approve the use of force and only changed his mind a month before the invasion.
The two top lawyers at the time at the Foreign Office have also said they had told the government the war would be unlawful.


LONDON -- The Sept. 11 attacks changed the "calculus of risk" and meant it was no longer possible to contain Saddam Hussein through sanctions, former British Prime Minister Tony Blair said on Friday, explaining why he backed the 2003 U.S.-led invasion that toppled the Iraqi dictator.
Mr. Blair was appearing before an inquiry into Britain's role in the war, to which he committed 45,000 troops. It was the most controversial episode of his 10-year premiership, provoking huge protests, divisions within his Labour Party and accusations he had deceived the public about the justification for invasion.
Under close questioning, Mr. Blair said the Sept. 11, 2001 al-Qaeda attacks on the United States, and the threat of weapons of mass destruction (WMD), meant that the policy of containing Saddam could not continue.
"Up to September 11, we thought he was a risk but we thought it was worth trying to contain it. The crucial thing after September 11 is that the calculus of risk changed," Mr. Blair said.
"The point about this act in New York was that had they been able to kill even more people than those 3,000, they would have. And so after that time, my view was you could not take risks with this issue at all.
"We were advised, obviously, that these people would use chemical or biological weapons or a nuclear device if they could get hold of them, that completely changed our assessment of where the risks for security lay." Seven years after the invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein, and almost three years after Mr. Blair handed over to Gordon Brown, the issue still provokes deep public anger.
Mr. Blair's appearance has been hugely anticipated. Protesters chanting "Tony Blair, war criminal" gathered outside the building opposite parliament where the inquiry was taking place.
Relatives of some of the 179 British soldiers killed in Iraq joined about 100 anti-war demonstrators chanting and waving placards. Names of those killed were also read out.
Mr. Blair, who looked nervous at times as the hearing began, arrived early and entered by a back door amid heavy security and large numbers of police on standby.
"The real question Tony Blair needs to answer in the end will be at The Hague and before a war crimes tribunal," said Andrew Murray, chairman of Stop the War Coalition.
"He is an accomplished actor but I think most people have long since seen through the script."
Mr. Blair's appearance will not only affect his own personal legacy but still has the potential to damage the Labour government of his successor Brown, who was finance minister during the war.
Some Labour leaders fear it will reignite strong feelings on the issue among voters, denting support for a party already trailing the Conservatives in polls in the run-up to an election due by June.
The inquiry has already heard from senior civil servants who said intelligence in the days before the March 20, 2003 invasion indicated that Saddam's WMD had been dismantled.
It will also examine the war's legitimacy and at what stage Mr. Blair, now an international envoy to the Middle East, promised U.S. President George W. Bush that Britain would support military action against Iraq.
Witnesses have suggested Mr. Blair gave that assurance in 2002 although then-Attorney General Peter Goldsmith, the government's top lawyer who eventually gave the invasion the green light, had warned him that using force for regime change would be illegal.
Mr. Goldsmith told the inquiry he originally believed the United Nations had to approve the use of force and only changed his mind a month before the invasion.
The two top lawyers at the time at the Foreign Office have also said they had told the government the war would be unlawful.


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I saw part of Blair’s testimony on television, and I found it difficult to understand that part, I think it was pure nonsense. 9/11 changed his views on Iraq? Why? What did Iraq or Saddam Hussein have to do with 9/11? The answer is, nothing.

The priority after 9/11 was to fight terrorism, and attacking Iraq did not do anything to fight terrorism. If anything, it encouraged terrorism; it led to the creation of many more suicide bombers.

So at least in this one instance, Blair was talking through his hat.
 

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Tony Blair and his oh-so-clean conscience

By Robert Fisk

There was - to use a truly vile expression of Lord Blair of Kut al-Amara yesterday - a "binary distinction".

There was the blood that flowed over my shoes in the emergency room of a Baghdad hospital in March of 2003, the humans shrieking with phosphorous burns, the old man with the blood trickling down a handkerchief from his empty eye socket, the piles of decomposing corpses in the Baghdad mortuary, the screams - oh yes, the shrieks and the pleadings and the animal squeals of the wounded and the dying. And then there was Lord Blair yesterday, sitting in the Queen Elizabeth II Conference Centre in his oh-so-clean business suit and his oh-so-clean red tie and his oh-so-clean white shirt and his oh-so-clean conscience. My God, that was a "binary distinction" all right. The difference between the hell of pain and the hell of blissful mendacity.

You needed to be in the Middle East to feel that strongly about it. Lord Blair was physically only 2,000 miles away from me. Psychologically, he was in another galaxy, still composing and recomposing the historical record.

Take al-Qa'ida. We all knew about this particular institution. It had, as Lord Blair kept reminding us yesterday, "changed everything" with 9/11. It was one of the reasons why the British and Americans invaded Iraq. Because Saddam had links with al-Qa'ida, so said the Americans,and might give them weapons of mass destruction, so said Lord Blair. But when it turned out that the links were as non-existent as the weapons, Lord Blair was surprised to find al-Qa'ida turning up in post-invasion Iraq. "People did not think that al-Qa'ida and Iran would play the role that they did."

Lord Blair went to war because of al-Qa'ida but thought al-Qa'ida would let him win in Iraq. So it was all al-Qa'ida's fault. WE didn't kill 100,000 Iraqis (I noticed he used the lowest available figure). It was THEM, the terrorists, al-Qa'ida, insurgents, Iranians, "sectarians", the bad guys.

He played the same dishonest little trick over the Israel-Palestinian war. "It's a constant problem for Israel," he informed us. "They use great force in retaliation. Before you've gone two weeks, they're the people that started it all."

But no, they're not, Lord Blair. No one disputed that Hamas rockets preceded Israel's Gaza war a year ago. What Israel was accused of was causing grotesquely disproportionate Palestinian casualties. But of course, that's not what Blair said.

Because he works in Jerusalem - where he cannot offend either side - and as Middle East envoy, it was his job to prevent this mass slaughter. Which he failed to do as signally as he failed to stop the slaughter in Iraq.

It's a cold winter in the Middle East now, but yesterday I had to loosen my shirt collar from time to time. It seemed Blair was as successful in Iraq as he was in Gaza a year ago. Everything is getting better. Life in Iraq is better - better than it was in 2007, 2003, 2002 and for that matter, 2001. I got it. Before his invasion, it was all Saddam's fault. After his invasion it was all al-Qa'ida's and Iran's fault. And presumably we are now going to invade Iran?

At one point, the wretched man boasted of Britain's historical legacy in setting up an Iraqi government in the 1920s, deleting any mention of the massive insurgency against the British in Baghdad and Fallujah and Najaf in 1922 which might - just might - have forewarned him of the post-2003 anarchy.

From time to time, there was a slip; or at least, something the inquiry - it is in fact, an inquest - missed. Trying to tell us that no decisions were taken at the infamous meeting with George Bush at Crawford, Lord Blair suddenly blurted out (indeed, appeared to want to blurt out) that he thought there had been "conversations with Israelis". What? Israelis? At the critical Crawford meeting? Israel was the only nation - apart from the US and Britain - that totally supported ther war, indeed encouraged it.

A Jerusalem friend looked up his archives for me and there's an Israeli foreign ministry "source" at the time saying that an Iraq invasion "will certainly take people away from the Israel-Palestine file". The inquiry never picked up this intriguing clue.

But by the end, as Lawrence Freedman read through the casualty lists for each year, and I remember I saw some of them with my own eyes - the tragedy of Iraq seeped into the room.

Adam Price MP got it right. "We'll never get an apology from this man," he said. We can't, of course. Because Lord Blair was talking about judgement, about being "frank", "absolutely and completely" honest and "absolutely clear". We had "to stick in there and see it out". So that's what all the dead and the wounded and the bombs and the shredded bodies and the rape and Abu Ghraib torture was all about.

Yet such a tiny room to hear it all in. No wonder they couldn't cram in all the mourning Brits. Almost 200 dead British soldiers couldn't be catered for. And how, I wondered, would they have crammed the souls of 100,000 dead Iraqis into the Queen Elizabeth II Conference Centre?
 

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There is not much use to keep "beating to death" stuff that happened 7-8 years ago. Hindsight is 20/20 but it doesn't change a thing. I'm sure people like Blair did what they thought was best at the time, and that is all any of us have the ability to do. Even today there is a lot of sh*t going on in the world that CAN be changed and that is what we should be focussing on for the next couple of years. Saddam and a lot of his ilk are dead, so let's just enjoy that fact and get on with things.
 

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So you would forgive mass murderers and allow them freedom to commit again, like they will. The **** that can be changed is personified in Blair it is nourished by the sanctimonious prick and his owners. Nothing can be changed until the foundation is sound.
 

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So you would forgive mass murderers and allow them freedom to commit again, like they will. The **** that can be changed is personified in Blair it is nourished by the sanctimonious prick and his owners. Nothing can be changed until the foundation is sound.

It's a moot point, a lot of the ones I can think of are dead....................:lol::lol::lol:
 

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"There is not much use to keep "beating to death" stuff that happened 7-8 years ago.".....
Like the 3000 or so who perished when both towers came a tumblin down in 2001....agreed.
Why keep `beating to death` something that happened such a long, long time ago?:roll:

There is not much use to keep "beating to death" stuff that happened 7-8 years ago. Hindsight is 20/20 but it doesn't change a thing. I'm sure people like Blair did what they thought was best at the time, and that is all any of us have the ability to do. Even today there is a lot of sh*t going on in the world that CAN be changed and that is what we should be focussing on for the next couple of years. Saddam and a lot of his ilk are dead, so let's just enjoy that fact and get on with things.
 

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"There is not much use to keep "beating to death" stuff that happened 7-8 years ago.".....
Like the 3000 or so who perished when both towers came a tumblin down in 2001....agreed.
Why keep `beating to death` something that happened such a long, long time ago?:roll:

You're right on the money, if there was something I could do to change the facts of 9/11 I would, but on the positive side the powers that be have done what's necessary to prevent a recurrence (so far).
 

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There is not much use to keep "beating to death" stuff that happened 7-8 years ago. Hindsight is 20/20 but it doesn't change a thing. I'm sure people like Blair did what they thought was best at the time, and that is all any of us have the ability to do. Even today there is a lot of sh*t going on in the world that CAN be changed and that is what we should be focussing on for the next couple of years. Saddam and a lot of his ilk are dead, so let's just enjoy that fact and get on with things.
How many years after WWII were the Jews still hunting down Nazis and prosecuting them? Do not the Iraqi and Afghani people have the same right? Blaire Bush,Chaney et al should all stand accused and have their day in court. I don't care how you cut it,the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan were blatant acts of aggression based on lies. The world will never stop repeating the sins of the past until those commiting those sins are held accountable.
 

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How many years after WWII were the Jews still hunting down Nazis and prosecuting them? Do not the Iraqi and Afghani people have the same right? Blaire Bush,Chaney et al should all stand accused and have their day in court. I don't care how you cut it,the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan were blatant acts of aggression based on lies. The world will never stop repeating the sins of the past until those commiting those sins are held accountable.

While there is some truth in what you say, it's not just 9/11 but several other incidents like Lockerbee Scotland and the episode on the Cole, where there is a common thread regarding the ethnicity of the perpetrators. No one knew ALL the facts at the time and I doubt if they do today.
 

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How many years after WWII were the Jews still hunting down Nazis and prosecuting them? Do not the Iraqi and Afghani people have the same right? Blaire Bush,Chaney et al should all stand accused and have their day in court. I don't care how you cut it,the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan were blatant acts of aggression based on lies. The world will never stop repeating the sins of the past until those commiting those sins are held accountable.

Keeping the ball in motion. While we watch the ball, the wheels come off our carriage. How old is that, and we still blink in amazment.
 

darkbeaver

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While there is some truth in what you say, it's not just 9/11 but several other incidents like Lockerbee Scotland and the episode on the Cole, where there is a common thread regarding the ethnicity of the perpetrators. No one knew ALL the facts at the time and I doubt if they do today.

The other common thread in all those instances was the ethnicity of the finger pointing at the ethnicity.
 

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LONDON -- The Sept. 11 attacks changed the "calculus of risk" and meant it was no longer possible to contain Saddam Hussein through sanctions, former British Prime Minister Tony Blair said on Friday, explaining why he backed the 2003 U.S.-led invasion that toppled the Iraqi dictator.

What nonsense! Saddam Hussein had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. Blair is still lying through his teeth.
 

JBeee

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...and peeps like JLM keep on buying what they`re told and hope the boogy-man goes away for ever and ever and we live happily ever after.


What nonsense! Saddam Hussein had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. Blair is still lying through his teeth.
 

JLM

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What nonsense! Saddam Hussein had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. Blair is still lying through his teeth.

What is evident to people now was no necessarily evident to people then. It's like when you are looking at a mountain from five miles away, you get a lot clearer view of it than you do from 50 feet away. None of us spoke up or heard the outcry now we did then. It sure is nice when you reach the point where you have the benefit of that old 20/20 vision. :smile:
 

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Sept 11th gave them the excuse to invade Iraq.....and they did.

They used the horrors of 9/11 to play on the public outrage the story of WMD's that did not exist so thousands upon thousands could die for nothing.

The coalition of the willing are murderers and if there is such a place will occupy the same fate as Saddam in the afterlife.