Re: Israel - The Right to exist as a State?
Dec 29th, 2010
Wasn't Jerusalem supposed to be neutral - according to the oft-maligned Res 181?

Wasn't Jerusalem supposed to be neutral - according to the oft-maligned Res 181?

Report: Israel building Arab ghettos
Arab Association for Human Rights reveals that increasing number of fences and ramparts built to separate Arabs from Jews in Israel
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Quote: Originally Posted by CUBert
Israel is a serious problem and detrimental to peace in the middle east.
construct some sort of sci-fi dome structure over the Gaza strip and west bank capable of withstanding the heat of a thousand suns and cleanse the Zionist cockroaches from the face of the earth with nuclear fire
Ok, I don't know what's going on in this post.. Firstly you make up a lie that I want all Jews nuked... Even if I was vehemently anti-jewish , to nuke all jews would be suicide as jews are scattered all over the world... And anyways, i'm not anti-jewish.... then after that erroneous accusation of racism you've bestowed upon me, you actually begin spewing racist rhetoric !!!!!
My Post with no answer as of yet
That makes you
1 - A Racist
2- A NAZI
3- And No morals, no personal character outside of pure unadulterated Racism & Hatred.
So please explain where I am lying -
I also noted that those that hate Israel, EAO for example never raised a word of outrage - Even those that pretend to be even handed, and hate killing, etc and more such BS
Yet if a Poster that is pro Israel - Anti Hamas/Hezbollah based upon their clearly believing are Terror Organizations whose sole goal is the destruction of Israel and all Jews made such a statement or even the forcible removal of Hamas from Gaza prisons why we would be genocidal murderous freaks and part of the Jewish Controlled Media, as EAO stated - Why people would be all over that poster like stink on a fart.
So the post about Nuking Israel- Can you explain that one. I have asked yet you scurry away.

When Jordan controlled it, it was pretty much an open city, anybody could go there and worship. Actually anyone still can go there as a visitor. As I said before Jordan should have stayed out of the 67 war. We wouldn't have this additional complication if they had. Res. 181 pretty much ceased to exist because of their intervention.

Jordan may have stayed out of it had it not been for the flood of refugees they ended up having to support. Seems to me I recall Jordan trying the diplomatic approach - but please don't be one of those morons who expect links to memory and 1967 editions of the Telegram
As the fighting raged, Prime Minister Levy Eshkol sent the following message to King Hussein of Jordan:
We are engaged in defensive fighting on the Egyptian sector, and we shall not engage ourselves in any action against Jordan, unless Jordan attacks us. Should Jordan attack Israel, we shall go against her with all our might.However, upon receiving information (later proving false) that Israel was being defeated, King Hussein ordered that Israel be attacked.

Jordan may have stayed out of it had it not been for the flood of refugees they ended up having to support. Seems to me I recall Jordan trying the diplomatic approach - but please don't be one of those morons who expect links to memory and 1967 editions of the Telegram

”There was one moment in the Six-Day War which symbolized the great victory: that was the moment in which the first paratroopers - under --'s command - reached the stones of the Western Wall, feeling the emotion of the place; there never was, and never will be, another moment like it. Nobody staged that moment. Nobody planned it in advance. Nobody prepared it and nobody was prepared for it; it was as if Providence had directed the whole thing: the paratroopers weeping - loudly and in pain - over their comrades who had fallen along the way, the words of the -- prayer heard by Western Wall's stones after 19 years of silence, tears of mourning, shouts of joy, and the singing of "--".--Forty-eight hours after capturing the wall, the military, without explicit government order, hastily proceeded to demolish the entire -- which stood four metres from the Wall. --, who later became Israel’s sixth president, took much of the credit for the destruction of the neighbourhood:
”When we visited the Wailing Wall we found a toilet attached to it...we decided to remove it and from this we came to the conclusion that we could evacuate the entire area in front of the Wailing Wall...a historical opportunity that will never return...We knew that the following Saturday, June 14, would be the Jewish festival of Shavouot and that many will want to come to pray...it all had to be completed by then.”--

Quote: Originally Posted by CUBert
Israel is a serious problem and detrimental to peace in the middle east.
construct some sort of sci-fi dome structure over the Gaza strip and west bank capable of withstanding the heat of a thousand suns and cleanse the Zionist cockroaches from the face of the earth with nuclear fire

My Post with no answer as of yet
That makes you
1 - A Racist
2- A NAZI
3- And No morals, no personal character outside of pure unadulterated Racism & Hatred.

So please explain where I am lying -
I also noted that those that hate Israel, EAO for example never raised a word of outrage - Even those that pretend to be even handed, and hate killing, etc and more such BS
Yet if a Poster that is pro Israel - Anti Hamas/Hezbollah based upon their clearly believing are Terror Organizations whose sole goal is the destruction of Israel and all Jews made such a statement or even the forcible removal of Hamas from Gaza prisons why we would be genocidal murderous freaks and part of the Jewish Controlled Media, as EAO stated - Why people would be all over that poster like stink on a fart.

Jordan may have stayed out of it had it not been for the flood of refugees they ended up having to support. Seems to me I recall Jordan trying the diplomatic approach - but please don't be one of those morons who expect links to memory and 1967 editions of the Telegram

Yes, this is true.
Quote - Isreal has been atacked repeatedly - premptive in 67 and won every War - They have been persecuted for 2000 years in every country they lived in. Arafat turned down better peace deals than are now on the table. Do you blame them for wanting their own country back.
LOL. Great post. You are interpreting zionist to mean all jews, this isn't correct. This is blatant projecting...
Here's a quote from you
My Post -"The Arabs have always been their own worst enemy. The murder, kill, oppress, torture, hang, make families disappear, and then they
start again. "
No I am not misinterpretating anything - Your posts and this one are clear as the meaning today of a Swastika - Wipe the bastards out - Genocide - You are trying to back pedal your way out - But we have had your type on this Forum before - Just plain hatred for all Jews - There are millions like you - correction - tens of million.
So you do meet the criteria for the following
1 - A Racist
2- A NAZI
3- And No morals, no personal character outside of pure unadulterated Racism & Hatred.
4- A Genocidal Freak
This is blatant lying or ignorance, not sure which. But definitely racism. Targeting an entire race of people and defaming them like this? This is much worse than my comment.
This all seems like projecting to me... I don't hate any race, but you seem to have a serious problems with Arabs.
My statement has been made by many Arabs both inside and outside of the Middle East - Trying to label me a racist with this is beyond ludicrous
By stating what is well known within and outside of the Arab Community you claim I am defaming them - You reach to far and again fall of the ladder of logic. A study was performed by approx 100 top Arabs ranging from theeconomy, employment, education, poverty and on and on - They condemned all Arab countires in the Mid East on about every thing they studied - So my comment is not racist in the least.
And your reply is - Now keep that Right Hand nice and stiff when you Salute.

There are too many sects for there to be recognition of a spiritual state. Without unified spirituality there never will be a recognizable Israel politically.
Their only shot remain is playing the ace in the hole which is dig up the Davidian lineage and create a Kingdom.
That will make the Christians and Muslims shiit Dodges.

EAO
What I have stated time and again is that you continuously overlook any action taken by the Palestinians and in particular the Terrorist that are supported by a substantial number - Now you are the one that came right out the the Racist Closet in full bloom -
Say what you want but your own words condemn you. Your words - Twist and turn in the wind - try to avoid it but you have Anti-Semite tattooed all over your posts.
You hate Jews - You and some others that inhabit this forum also hate Jews - Deny all you want but I for one will not fall for that Goebbels strategy you use - A lie repeated often enough becomes the truth -
Your words -
I would agree that the holocaust is an important historical event, but that's not why it gets so much news coverage. I'm inclined to agree with Canaduh's and Finklestein's observations regarding the constant and overwhelming Holocaust news coverage. Its being used as cover for Israeli atrocities.
I would agree that the holocaust is an important historical event, but that's not why it gets so much news coverage. I'm inclined to agree with Canaduh's and Finklestein's observations regarding the constant and overwhelming Holocaust news coverage. Its being used as cover for Israeli atrocities.

Its possible to be anti-Zionist without being anti-Semitic. I think you read too much into his post. He's just observed that everytime Israel commits yet another horrendous atrocity, the news ignores it and prints yet another story about the holocaust instead.
For example:
January 29, 2010 Google News Search
Results 1 – 10 of about 13,642 for holocaust
Results 1 – 10 of about 3,587 for goldstone
Results 1 – 10 of about 974 for rwanda genocide
Why does the news have 13,642 stories about a 60 year old event, yet far less about the Goldstone Report which is about recent Israeli atrocities? Even the Rwandan genocide doesn't get nearly as much attention as the Holocaust. Can you name another event as old as the holocaust which has more than 13,000 active google linked news stories?
Personally I interpreted his observation along this lines:
I doubt Finklestein would be any more comfortable among an "Aryan Nations" than Canaduh.
If you really want to discuss this issue civilly, you are going to have to stop assuming that everyone who is shocked and outraged at Israel's ongoing war crimes and crimes against humanity must be supporter of the Aryan Nation.


Israeli strike on UN headquarters in Gaza a 'total disaster': UN director
United Nations chief expresses 'strong protest and outrage' over attack
January 15, 2009
Israeli forces opened fire on the United Nations headquarters in Gaza City Thursday, setting the compound ablaze and destroying tonnes of humanitarian aid meant for victims of the 20-day conflict.
"It's a total disaster for us," said John Ging, director of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency in Gaza, whose compound was providing refuge to about 700 Palestinian civilians at the time of the attack.
Read more: CBC News - World - Israeli strike on UN headquarters in Gaza a 'total disaster': UN director
Around the same time:
Holocaust Book released:
Diary of a young woman before the Holocaust took her life
By Susan Rubin Suleiman
January 28, 2009
'Oh not another Holocaust book!" some readers may exclaim. But this compelling story proves that the well of sympathy and indignation over unjust suffering is bottomless. The fate of Hélène Berr, while not new in a historical sense, moves us deeply. Deported to Auschwitz with her parents in March 1944, this young French Jewish woman died at the Bergen-Belsen camp in April 1945, shortly before liberation by British troops. (Anne Frank, a few years younger, was in the same camp and died around the same time)....
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Holocaust Movie released:
Movie Review: Holocaust story ‘Defiance’ is action-packed, moving, even hopeful
January 16, 2009
By Michael Janusonis
Out of the despair of the Holocaust comes Defiance, a remarkable tale of inspiration and determination that paints the Jews who were slated for death by the Nazis not as victims, but heroes.
That’s quite a turnaround from the way one usually thinks about the Holocaust. One may have seen Steven Spielberg’s inspirational Schindler’s List, but that was about a Gentile manufacturer who saved the lives of hundreds of Jews. And there was a TV movie about the Warsaw Ghetto uprising by a group of Jewish freedom fighters, but that ended badly.
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I agree with Jewish intellectual Finklestein. While the holocaust was a real historical tragedy, Jews weren't the only victims and it has been used shamelessly by Zionists and others to shake down banks and provide cover for ongoing Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity.
I agree with Jewish/British MP Gerald Kaufman
YouTube - UK Jewish MP Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza

Like I said, I agree with Finkelstein:
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SUEDDEUTSCHE ZEITUNG (11 August 2000)
By Norman G. Finkelstein
The main thesis of my new book is that The Holocaust has effectively become an industry. Jewish elites, acting in concert with the US government, exploit the horrific suffering of the millions of Jews exterminated during World War II and the few who managed to survive for power and profit. In its ruthless exploitation of Jewish suffering, the Holocaust industry has arguably become a fomenter of anti-Semitism and a purveyor of Holocaust denial.
The book is divided into three chapters. In the first chapter I explore the genesis of the Holocaust industry. During the postwar years American Jewish leaders, eager to please the US government as it aligned with a barely de-Nazified West Germany, banished The Holocaust from public discourse. After the June 1967 Middle East war, Israel became a key ally of the US. American Jewish elites, hitherto wary of Israel (they feared the bogey of "dual loyalty"), fervently embraced the Jewish state. For Jews now stood on the front lines defending American interests against the retrograde Third World/Arab hordes. Supporting Israel accordingly facilitated Jewish assimilation in the US. Posing as the natural interlocutors between the US government and its "strategic asset" in the Middle East, Jewish elites could also enter the inner sanctums of American power. To deflect criticism, American...

So every court in Europe, and the US were wrong in their judgements - Every art piece that was ever recovered, was wrong. Amazing that courts in a democracy would not adhere to the laws.

Where did Finkelstein make that claim?
Again from the quote above:
Finkelstein: The Holocaust industry demanded a final settlement with the Swiss bankers before the Volcker committee completed its work because "needy Holocaust victims are dying every day." Yet once the Swiss agreed to a $1.25 billion settlement in August 1998, the urgency suddenly vanished. Two years have elapsed but not a single cent of the Swiss monies has been distributed to the actual claimants.
By October 2009, some $490 million had been paid out to individual claimants, and acceptance of new claims had been discontinued for some time.
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...The organization, founded in 1936 in Switzerland, the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany, the World Jewish Restitution Organization, and the International Commission on Holocaust Era Insurance Claims, founded in 1998, have secured millions of dollars for the victims and survivors of the Holocaust in payments from Germany, Swiss banks, Insurances and other parties totaling $20 billion.[4][5]...
Haaretz reported that the name of the organization "was associated with financial irregularities, corruption and endless power struggles."[7]
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I've tried to figure out how much has been paid out to holocaust victims and their heirs, but I can't. Please correct me if I'm wrong,, but it looks like the organization which initiated these law suits still possesses most of the money they claim belongs to holocaust victims and their heirs.

No one has actually asked this question: Tell me one other state in the Mid-East that the people enjoy as many democratic freedoms as Israel. Though not a perfect democracy like we have, do not have neighbors armed to the teeth just awaiting orders to annihilate us. So within those parameters I see they have no choice in what they do.