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Cannuck
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#1Jul 3rd, 2009
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The economic Left likes corporatism for three reasons:
  1. It satisfies its lust for power.
  2. It makes possible attempts to redistribute income.
  3. It enables them to practice #2 while remaining personally affluent.
The economic Right likes corporatism for three different reasons:
  1. It enables them to realize capitalist profits while unloading some of the costs and risks onto the state.
  2. The ability to intertwine government and business enables them to shape government policy to their liking.
  3. They believe the corporatist state can deliver social peace and minimize costly disruptions

Discuss amongst yourselves


 
Ron in Regina
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Corporatism Discussion

Jul 3rd, 2009
Ummm....what does the picture of the Guy in drag represent?
 
darkbeaver
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Jul 3rd, 2009
I disagree strongly with the author and hope for his speedy recovery, I understand dementia isn't fun. It's easy to employ lunatics who will say anything to bar the pink tide creeping accross the globe.





 
captain morgan
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Jul 3rd, 2009
What are the alternatives? As far as I'm concerned, there are no options that will yield results in terms of progress combined with a good quality of life along with the essential services required to bind society.
 
Cannuck
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Jul 3rd, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

What are the alternatives? As far as I'm concerned, there are no options that will yield results in terms of progress combined with a good quality of life along with the essential services required to bind society.

That is what the author says. We have this system until somebody can replace it with something better or people are willing to give up the things it gives us.


...and Ron, that is Mike Myers doing Babs Streisand - Talk show host - on SNL. He used to throw out a topic and say "discuss amongst yourselves"
 
Cannuck
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Jul 3rd, 2009
The reason I posted this is that there always seems to be a left vs right argument here (and on other forums) when in reality the present system serves both for different reasons and it really makes no difference whether Reagan, Clinton, Bush or Obama is in the Oval Office (or which party controls Congress). I know how much it pains folks like Gopher, YJ and Joey to hear this but sometimes you have to face the bogey man under the bed.
 
darkbeaver
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Jul 3rd, 2009
The widespread Bolavarian model of Chavez and nationalism.
 
darkbeaver
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Jul 3rd, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

That is what the author says. We have this system until somebody can replace it with something better or people are willing to give up the things it gives us.


...and Ron, that is Mike Myers doing Babs Streisand - Talk show host - on SNL. He used to throw out a topic and say "discuss amongst yourselves"

It is being replaced Cannuck. That's what all the whining and groaning is about from this author. He's blind to the obvious alternative because he's employed not to see it. Nobody is confused about alternatives but the class about to loose theirs.
 
Cannuck
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Jul 3rd, 2009
Ya...sure...whatever...
 
captain morgan
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Jul 3rd, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

It is being replaced Cannuck. That's what all the whining and groaning is about from this author. He's blind to the obvious alternative because he's employed not to see it. Nobody is confused about alternatives but the class about to loose theirs.


... Being replaced with?

(you'll have to fill in the rest of the sentence DB)
 
captain morgan
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Jul 3rd, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Ya...sure...whatever...


Dont'cha just love the ole 'workers of the world unite' mantra? Mind you, it has greater impact when there is the inspirational music accompanied by the legions of jack-booted military marching by the masses of the great unwashed and saluting an effigy of Dear Leader.
 
gopher
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Jul 4th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

Ummm....what does the picture of the Guy in drag represent?


Typical queens in the Log Cabin Republican group.
 
gopher
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Jul 4th, 2009
How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

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''George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.

The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism. His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act''



.... more ....




Republicans love to make war profits. They why they finance Hitler, Zionism, Stalin, al-qaeda, and international terrorism.
 
CDNBear
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Jul 4th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

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''George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.

The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism. His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act''



.... more ....




Republicans love to make war profits. They why they finance Hitler, Zionism, Stalin, al-qaeda, and international terrorism.

If you had investments with any brokerage in the 30's 40's, you supported Nazism.

Hell, even Officers in the Allied Armies held portfolio's that profited from the financial mechanization's of the Nazi regime. This isn't new, this isn't news. This is sensational hyperbole.

Your point?

Oh ya, morally bankrupt left. It's OK for left wing dictators to subjugate and condemn their people to poverty, but hey, Bush Sr. Sr. is a pig dog for having money invested...
 
gopher
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Jul 4th, 2009
Investors weren't charged under Trading With the Enemy Act like he was. But, I suppose you would have supported him under those circumstances.
 
CDNBear
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Jul 4th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Investors weren't charged under Trading With the Enemy Act like he was. But, I suppose you would have supported him under those circumstances.

First off he wasn't convicted. Secondly, the firm he worked for had dealings with Thyssen. He didn't work for Thyssen.

Politics and money, make strange bedfellows.

And again, leftard hyperbole.
 
gopher
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Jul 4th, 2009
Typical reichster defending fellow Hitlerians.
 
captain morgan
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Jul 4th, 2009
Hitlerians... Like Obama?
 
CDNBear
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Jul 4th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Typical reichster defending fellow Hitlerians.

I'm not defend the scumbag, I'm setting you straight. Hell, I defend the right of Muslims to teach their kids I'm an infidel. I don't care. I just like feeding morons the truth. They don't like it. Right gopher?

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Hitlerians... Like Obama?

 
gopher
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Jul 4th, 2009
Hitlerians like the Bush's.

 
captain morgan
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Jul 4th, 2009
I couldn't resist CdnBear... sometimes it takes a response such as I offered to illustrate the abject stupidity of another.
 
CDNBear
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Jul 4th, 2009
Oh I knew what you were up to CM. Abject stupidity doesn't quite cut it though...

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

I couldn't resist CdnBear... sometimes it takes a response such as I offered to illustrate the abject stupidity of another.

Like this...
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Hitlerians like the Bush's.

And I know what you mean too CM, I'm drawn to leftards, like a moth to a flame. Only I burn them...
 
captain morgan
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Jul 4th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Hitlerians like the Bush's.

C'mon Gopher - I can make an argument as to why Obama's actions are closer to Hitler than any right-wing leader. care to give me your proof?
 
captain morgan
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Jul 4th, 2009
We're on the same page CdnBear.
 
gopher
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Jul 4th, 2009
Go ahead - make your argument.
 
CDNBear
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Jul 4th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Go ahead - make your argument.

For what?

I just punched a huge hole in your hyperbole...

He was charged, he was never convicted. Are you telling me you do not support the Judicial process?
 
gopher
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Jul 4th, 2009
So far as I know there was no trial at all because the assets were seized and held during the remainder of the war. As for the argument that was a reply to Capt Morgan, not you.
 
CDNBear
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Jul 4th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

So far as I know there was no trial at all because the assets were seized and held during the remainder of the war. As for the argument that was a reply to Capt Morgan, not you.

Well of course, you must be tired of me handing you your ass back.

Tell me, is it fun being punished so terribly?
 
gopher
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Jul 4th, 2009
what proof do you have that there was a trial, queenie?
 
captain morgan
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Jul 4th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Go ahead - make your argument.

One of teh first things to happen when a dictator (like Hitler) assumes power is to 'nationalize' certain institutions. Obama has done so with components in teh auto sector, banking/finance and fannie Mae/Freddie Mac.

Yeah, yeah - I know that it is really thin, however, you're the one that wants to equate Bush to Hitler, so put-up the reasons or accept the alternate versions (such as I sarcastically suggested).
 

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