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Johnnny
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#1May 5th, 2009
Those pesky Euro's are at it again... Heres my two cents

Im not going to argue the ethics of seal hunting and clubbing and if your going to quote my stuff and call me a monster, so be it

But if anyone should have been passing a bill to cripple the hunt, our own government should have passed that bill in my opinion....

I dont agree with bleeding out of Bull in a Bull fight, like those SPanish do... So why dont we ban all european beef and olive oil products to get even with them....

Bullfighting, seal hunting hating hypocrites

Do you eat lobster, raise cows and chicken in farms to be slaughtered when there adults? If were going to ban seal hunting because its unethical we might as well ban thse other things too, in my opinion...
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SirJosephPorter
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May 5th, 2009
Johnnny, I do support the ban on seal product imports. Now, if only they will ban bull fighting (like you say). Bull fighting is as barbaric as seal hunting. Again, like you say, perhaps Canada could take some action against Spain.
 
Johnnny
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Re: EU bans Seal Products from Canada

May 5th, 2009
paté de foie gras
 
TenPenny
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May 5th, 2009
I don't understand the headline. The EU has banned seal product imports. They haven't, and don't have the ability, to ban a seal hunt in a foreign country.
 
Johnnny
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May 5th, 2009
true i will fix it
 
captain morgan
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Re: EU bans Seal Products from Canada

May 5th, 2009
There has always been a market for these and other related animal products in Europe. The EU taking specific actions to address this issue may act to tweak the demand by those that want the products.
 
Johnnny
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May 5th, 2009
I hope no one from Spain or France voted for banning our seal products in the EU Parliment....

The guy from Spain must not have been paying attention to the ballot cause he was in a rush to get to his Bull fighting Match...

And the Guy from France was late for his hot date, which included some paté de foie gras....
 
Colpy
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Re: EU bans Seal Products from Canada

May 5th, 2009
Anybody that consumes any kind of animal product should be able to see the hypocrisy in this decision.
 
JLM
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Re: EU bans Seal Products from Canada

May 5th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorterView Post

Johnnny, I do support the ban on seal product imports. Now, if only they will ban bull fighting (like you say). Bull fighting is as barbaric as seal hunting. Again, like you say, perhaps Canada could take some action against Spain.

Can't we have a viable seal industry the way we do chickens, beef, potatoes without threatening the species?
 
captain morgan
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May 5th, 2009
Can't we have a viable seal industry the way we do chickens, beef, potatoes without threatening the species?

That would require that the seals be harvested on farm-style (organized) activities. The same groups that oppose the hunt today will oppose it on moral grounds regardless of the methods.

Regrettably, the biggest reason that the seals have captured so much attention in the global community because they are 'cute'... You don't see the same attention being paid to the cattle industry that supplies the leather-goods to the EU shoppers.
 
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May 5th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Can't we have a viable seal industry the way we do chickens, beef, potatoes without threatening the species?

That would require that the seals be harvested on farm-style (organized) activities. The same groups that oppose the hunt today will oppose it on moral grounds regardless of the methods.

Regrettably, the biggest reason that the seals have captured so much attention in the global community because they are 'cute'... You don't see the same attention being paid to the cattle industry that supplies the leather-goods to the EU shoppers.

Exactly, so the ones that aren't harvested are likely going to be food for uglier critters or just die a natural death and rot.
 
TenPenny
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May 5th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Can't we have a viable seal industry the way we do chickens, beef, potatoes without threatening the species?

The existing seal hunt doesn't threaten the species, so yes, we can have, and do have.
 
JLM
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May 5th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

The existing seal hunt doesn't threaten the species, so yes, we can have, and do have.

So what's the problem besides hysterical people going on a rampage?
 
Johnnny
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May 5th, 2009
The problem is there is alot of city in europe. To me that means alot of breeding group for hysterical people, arm-emo's etc etc etc...
 
Johnnny
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May 5th, 2009
If Obama couldnt get them to actually start fighting in Afghanistan, what makes you think they will listen to anyone else opinions but there own....
 
captain morgan
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May 5th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

The existing seal hunt doesn't threaten the species, so yes, we can have, and do have.


The East coast fishing industry will likely complain that the increase in the seal populations will affect (consume) the fish stocks in the region, thus impacting their capacity to make a living.
 
Scott Free
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May 5th, 2009
"Canada's biggest market for seal pelts is Norway.-- Carino Limited is one of Newfoundland's largest seal pelt producers. Carino (CAnada-RIeber-NOrway) is marketing its seal pelts mainly through its parent company, --, --.-- Canada sold pelts to eleven countries in 2004, with --, --, --, and --, including Hong Kong, purchasing the largest quantities. Other buying countries were --, --, --, --, --, and --.-- Asia remains the principal market for seal meat exports."
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If Norway can't buy pelts anymore I'm sure China will buy them. Maybe Wal-Mart will start selling fur coats - made by child labour they might not be too expensive?

Fur coats made by children... Europeans will really lose their minds over that one.
 
Johnnny
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May 5th, 2009
Watch out there going to start working on bears next. I garuntee you they will work to end Bear Hunting.. I have no proof or links

Dont get me wrong, some populations of Polar Bear and Grizzley, and yea mabye even Black Bear (not in Ontario for a few years yet) need protection...

My message to Europe, let us manage and regulate our own natural resources... And you guys go whine and cheese it
 
Scott Free
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May 5th, 2009
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lone wolf
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May 5th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by Scott FreeView Post

"Canada's biggest market for seal pelts is Norway.[45] Carino Limited is one of Newfoundland's largest seal pelt producers. Carino (CAnada-RIeber-NOrway) is marketing its seal pelts mainly through its parent company, GC Rieber Skinn, Bergen, Norway.[46] Canada sold pelts to eleven countries in 2004, with Norway, Germany, Greenland, and China, including Hong Kong, purchasing the largest quantities. Other buying countries were Finland, Denmark, France, Greece,

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Have you seen Chinese delicacies? They can have the whole seal....
 
Scott Free
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May 5th, 2009
What? You don't have the stomach for live monkey brains, bear penis or kitty cat?



....me either
 
YukonJack
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May 5th, 2009
"Johnnny, I do support the ban on seal product imports."

WHY?

"Now, if only they will ban bull fighting (like you say). Bull fighting is as barbaric as seal hunting. Again, like you say, perhaps Canada could take some action against Spain."

On this I fully agree with you.
 
TenPenny
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May 5th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

So what's the problem besides hysterical people going on a rampage?

The problem is that AT ONE TIME, the seal hunt involved white coats, which were pretty and cute. And therefore, watching the hunt was ugly. This led to the seal hunt being the 'poster boy' fundraising champion for various groups that are against animal cruelty, as well as groups totally opposed to eating meat or anything similar.

For many of these groups, as long as the animal in question is ugly, it's okay to kill them for food or other byproducts, but when it's a 'cute' animal, it's not okay. For other groups, any animal use is wrong, which at least is a logical stand.

Still, to this day, the seal hunt is the iconic symbol for lots of fundraising and media coverage, often involving people who don't actually understand what they are talking about.
 
JLM
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May 5th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJackView Post

"Johnnny, I do support the ban on seal product imports."

WHY?

"Now, if only they will ban bull fighting (like you say). Bull fighting is as barbaric as seal hunting. Again, like you say, perhaps Canada could take some action against Spain."

On this I fully agree with you.

Is it any more barbaric than slaughtering hogs?
 
MHz
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May 5th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnnyView Post

Do you eat lobster, raise cows and chicken in farms to be slaughtered when there adults? If were going to ban seal hunting because its unethical we might as well ban thse other things too, in my opinion...

Do you eat lobster shells or cow-hide or chicken feathers. The meat is left behind, they are after the skins and that is it.

Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Is it any more barbaric than slaughtering hogs?

Yeah there is hogs are eaten, baby seals are a decoration for the rich.
Last edited by MHz; May 5th, 2009 at 10:12 AM..
 
JLM
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May 5th, 2009
That throws a little different light on it. There should be no waste when harvesting anything.
 
captain morgan
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May 5th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

Do you eat lobster shells or cow-hide or chicken feathers. The meat is left behind, they are after the skins and that is it.


Yeah there is hogs are eaten, baby seals are a decoration for the rich.


The purpose of the killing of the animal (in question) is irrelevant in this argument.

There is no ban in Europe on hunting deer, wild boars or fowl wherein the meat and the hides may or may not be used for strictly subsistence related issues.

If the EU won't ban recreational hunting/fishing, then they really have no business in the seal-hunt debate.
 
Johnnny
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May 5th, 2009
i thought they used the meat and got seal oil that they say is fish oil out of them?
 
Scott Free
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May 5th, 2009
They do use the meat. It's exported to the far east.
 
mt_pockets1000
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May 5th, 2009
Ce la vie. The European market is not our largest market. China continues to be our largest importer, along with Norway and a few other nations.

I'm not so much concerned over the EU decision as I am about the stigma that's already there and will be raised to a more strident level when the holier-than-thou, soapbox screaming, blind yahoos come forward, using this vote as cannon fodder to further their messed up agenda. Whatever will the IFAW do once this cash cow has disappeared? Perhaps they'll go the way of the seal hunt and disappear from our radar.
 

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