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Would you bomb a school?

Would you bomb a school?

earth_as_one

#1Jan 7th, 2009

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Israel Mulls Complaining to UN After Killings
After Attacking a UN School, Israel Seems More Upset Than UN
Posted January 6, 2009
In its first attempt at damage control over the international outcry caused when its military deliberately attacked a United Nations girls’ school full of displaced persons in a Gaza refugee camp, causing scores of civilian casualties, Israel has declared that its troops acted “according to procedures” in launching the salvo.
In fact, the Israeli government appears to be more angry at the UN after the incident than the UN was about the killings in the first place. Claiming the building was secretly being used by Hamas, and that Hamas was somehow attempting to cover up this fact, Israel says it may file a formal complaint against the United Nations over the use of the facility...
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At Least 46 Killed as Israel Attacks Gaza School
UN Insists School Clearly Marked, Israel Given Its Coordinates
Posted January 6, 2009
In the deadliest single attack on Gaza civilians since the war began, Israel fired three mortar shells at the United Nations’ al-Fahoura school in the Jabalya refugee camp. The school was filled with civilians who had been forced from their homes by the Israeli invasion, and the attack killed at least 46. The United Nations reports that at least 55 other civilians were wounded in the attack.
The United Nations says the building was clearly marked with UN flags and that they were in contact with the Israeli military when the war began to inform them of the location of the school precisely to prevent it...
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Would you bomb a school?

YouTube - Would You Bomb A School

Let's recap here. Israel and Hamas had a ceasefire which lasted for 4 months until Israel sent commandos into Gaza and killed several Hamas members. Hamas responded with their ineffective rockets which harmlessly made some crators in the desert. Israel responds with assassinations and a blockade of international humanitarian food and medical aid... effectively using food as a weapon. Israel continues assassinating Hamas members, Hamas keeps responding to each assassination with a barrage of rockets. After two months of this tit-for-tat, which resulted in numerous Palestinian deaths but not a single Israeli death, Israel launches a full out assault on Gaza, which is about half the size and twice the population density of Toronto. It is surrouned by walls so the civilians living there have no where to run or hide in the event of war. Israel started the battle by sending wave after wave of bombers, followed by artillery barrages and then a ground invasion of tanks, and infantry. As the two sides exchange machine gun and mortar fire, inevitably civlians have been caught in the crossfire. Nows its degraded to the point where Israel has started shelling schools, knowing they are full of children because they think Hamas militants might be hiding there.

Would the Israeli apologists care to go on the record and defend this callous cold blooded act?

Last edited by earth_as_one; Jan 7th, 2009 at 01:08 AM..

Lineman

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 7th, 2009

Deliberately targeted the building, YES. Deliberately targeting civilians, NO, Mistakenly believing there were Hamas fighters in the building, YES. It's a mistake. a terrible and tragic one at that, but it is a mistake.
What is not a mistake is months and months of thousands of rockets fired into Israel. Hamas has what they wanted all along, an Israeli response and the opportunity to act as a victim.

earth_as_one

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 7th, 2009

Read the post above: The UN told the IDF they were using the school as a shelter and it was full of civilians. The IDF knew or should have known that shelling the school would result in many innocent civilian deaths.

JLM

No Party Affiliation

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 7th, 2009

I know the kids today can be little hellions and a lot of times a person could actually feel like bombing the little heathens, but I'd be hard pressed to actually do it. For all their faults kids are still precious.

einmensch

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 7th, 2009

Only Jewish children are precious all others are animals. Ask Lineman.

Praxius

Free Thinker

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 7th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Lineman

Deliberately targeted the building, YES. Deliberately targeting civilians, NO, Mistakenly believing there were Hamas fighters in the building, YES. It's a mistake. a terrible and tragic one at that, but it is a mistake.
What is not a mistake is months and months of thousands of rockets fired into Israel. Hamas has what they wanted all along, an Israeli response and the opportunity to act as a victim.

If you don't know wtf you're targeting..... don't attack it.... it's pretty basic logic even for the stupid out there in the world.

This wasn't a mistake, this was stupidity. It was a school, where else do civilians have to go besides schools, churches, hospitals and their own homes to avoid the fighting in Gaza?

Nowhere, because even those places are being shelled to sh*t.

This is a blaitent slaughter.

I have heard of at least two UN Schools being shelled by Israel since last night..... you'd think they would have perhaps changed their tactics like sending in a small recon to areas where civilians would be hiding to confirm if they should attack or not...... but no, they're just lowly palestinians, might as rid the world of them right?

I love how people here who support Israel like to keep using the Hamas as an excuse for their actions and claiming that this is what Hamas wanted....... yet where are all the dead Hamas soldiers?

All I keep hearing about are hundreds of civilians being killed by Israel.

I ain't got a lick of sympathy for Israel and every troop of theirs that dies from this war..... they have it coming and I say good.

DurkaDurka

No Party Affiliation

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 7th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Praxius

I ain't got a lick of sympathy for Israel and every troop of theirs that dies from this war..... they have it coming and I say good.

The response from Israel shouldn't be much of a surprise to you then.

darkbeaver

Republican

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 7th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Praxius

If you don't know wtf you're targeting..... don't attack it.... it's pretty basic logic even for the stupid out there in the world.

This wasn't a mistake, this was stupidity. It was a school, where else do civilians have to go besides schools, churches, hospitals and their own homes to avoid the fighting in Gaza?

Nowhere, because even those places are being shelled to sh*t.

This is a blaitent slaughter.

I have heard of at least two UN Schools being shelled by Israel since last night..... you'd think they would have perhaps changed their tactics like sending in a small recon to areas where civilians would be hiding to confirm if they should attack or not...... but no, they're just lowly palestinians, might as rid the world of them right?

I love how people here who support Israel like to keep using the Hamas as an excuse for their actions and claiming that this is what Hamas wanted....... yet where are all the dead Hamas soldiers?

All I keep hearing about are hundreds of civilians being killed by Israel.

I ain't got a lick of sympathy for Israel and every troop of theirs that dies from this war..... they have it coming and I say good.

I agree Praxius but do not allow them the excuse of stupidity with respect to the civilian deaths. Civilians are the target, civilians are always the target, women and children are the enemy Praxius there is no separation between the enemy and the enemies family except on paper and in the minds of fools.
see The Art of War crush the hearths and homes and the hearts will follow, to break the will of the enemy butcher his women and children and burn his huts and fields, war has only one aspect and that is murder foul and furious.
As Durka has kindly pointed out murder will be met with murder, the Zionist is perhaps the vilest current exponent of this technique , and has been many times in the past. Always cry victim it makes vengefull murder sweeter by far.
We have heard broadcast ten thousand times the faux humane phonecalls to Palestinians warning them of attack, this is a well understood technique used to drive the civilians into the streets where the shrapnel efficiently cuts them to shreads. They will leave exploding toys laying arround for the children as well.

Last edited by darkbeaver; Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:19 AM..

Blackleaf

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 7th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one

Israel deliberately shelled a girls school today killing and injuring about 100 civilians (mostly children). They don't claim it was an accident. In fact they admit it was deliberate.

That's because Hamas, a repugnant organisation who have, in their time, thrown homosexuals off cliffs, probably deliberately placed rocket launchers in the school's grounds. They care not about the people of Gaza. They deliberately place their rocket launchers in civilian areas knowing that the Israelis will target, quite rightly, the rocket launchers, knowing that civilians will then get killed and then Hamas can then go crying to the UN about Israel "deliberately" targeting civilians, even though Hamas were deliberately targeting civilians when they fired 600 rockets a week into Israel. The fact that Hamas didn't kill hundreds of Israeli civilians was not because they didn't target Israeli civilians but because most of their rockets failed miserably.

Put it this way, if France fired 600 rockets a week onto Britain then Britain would rain hundreds of rockets down onto French cities in retaliation, and we would be justified in doing so, no matter what the rest of the world thinks and WE would tell the UN to get stuffed.

Last edited by Blackleaf; Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:36 AM..

Blackleaf

#10

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 7th, 2009

And don't forget that the Jews were in that part of the world BEFORE the Muslims, and lived in Palestine for over 3000 years before the Arabs invaded. Palestine was a Jewish state before it was anything else.

Jesus lived in that part of the world and he was Jewish, and he was alive centuries BEFORE Mohammed was even born (and I woud have thought that was fairly obvious).

And Israel only "occupies" a tiny percentage of the original Palestine Mandate. Over 77% of the original Palestine Mandate is "occupied" by Jordan though (maybe due to anti-Jewishness) Israel-haters never mention that fact.

Last edited by Blackleaf; Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:46 AM..

Stretch

Free Thinker

#11

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 7th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf

And don't forget that the Jews were in that part of the world BEFORE the Muslims, and lived in Palestine for over 3000 years before the Arabs invaded. Palestine was a Jewish state before it was anything else.

Jesus lived in that part of the world and he was Jewish, and he was alive centuries BEFORE Mohammed was even born (and I woud have thought that was fairly obvious).

And Israel only "occupies" a tiny percentage of the original Palestine Mandate. Over 77% of the original Palestine Mandate is "occupied" by Jordan though (maybe due to anti-Jewishness) Israel-haters never mention that fact.

are you sure that jesus lived in that part of the world? or any part for that matter....are you sure he even existed? there are so many lies associated with israel and jews etc, it wouldnt surprise me if jesus was a lie also

EagleSmack

#12

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 7th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Stretch

are you sure that jesus lived in that part of the world? or any part for that matter....are you sure he even existed? there are so many lies associated with israel and jews etc, it wouldnt surprise me if jesus was a lie also

Well whether you believe in God or religion is one matter but if you look at it in a Historical sense...he existed. Just like we know Kings, Emperors, etc. existed. Someone surely shook up the world during that time.

Risus

#13

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 7th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf

And don't forget that the Jews were in that part of the world BEFORE the Muslims, and lived in Palestine for over 3000 years before the Arabs invaded. Palestine was a Jewish state before it was anything else.

Jesus lived in that part of the world and he was Jewish, and he was alive centuries BEFORE Mohammed was even born (and I woud have thought that was fairly obvious).

And Israel only "occupies" a tiny percentage of the original Palestine Mandate. Over 77% of the original Palestine Mandate is "occupied" by Jordan though (maybe due to anti-Jewishness) Israel-haters never mention that fact.

Exactly. But Israel-haters are to blind to recognize the facts....

Risus

#14

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 7th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Praxius

All I keep hearing about are hundreds of civilians being killed by Israel.

I ain't got a lick of sympathy for Israel and every troop of theirs that dies from this war..... they have it coming and I say good.

What about all the innocent Israelis killed by suicide bombers over the recent years?? Your thought process is skewed....

lone wolf

Free Thinker

#15

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 7th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf

And don't forget that the Jews were in that part of the world BEFORE the Muslims, and lived in Palestine for over 3000 years before the Arabs invaded. Palestine was a Jewish state before it was anything else.

Jesus lived in that part of the world and he was Jewish, and he was alive centuries BEFORE Mohammed was even born (and I woud have thought that was fairly obvious).

And Israel only "occupies" a tiny percentage of the original Palestine Mandate. Over 77% of the original Palestine Mandate is "occupied" by Jordan though (maybe due to anti-Jewishness) Israel-haters never mention that fact.

The shyte-disturbers from both sides only arrived after WW2 - displaced European Jewry and out-of-work Arab Nazis....

earth_as_one

#16

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 7th, 2009

More info:

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UN official says no militants inside Gaza school
07 Jan 2009 18:34:31 GMT
Source: Reuters

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UNITED NATIONS, Jan 7 (Reuters) - A senior U.N. official denied on Wednesday that any Hamas militants were inside a U.N.-run school in Gaza where Israeli shelling killed more than 40 people on Tuesday.

The Israeli army accused Hamas of using civilians as "human shields" and said its troops had returned fire after gunmen mortared their positions from inside al-Fakhora school in Jabalya refugee camp.

Citing intelligence reports, it named two men it said were Islamist gunmen killed in the attack.

John Ging, director of operations in Gaza for UNRWA, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, told reporters at U.N. headquarters by videolink that he had visited the Jabalya school during a three-hour lull in fighting on Wednesday.

"I was reassured by the management of the school, my own staff, senior, experienced, long-serving staff, that there were no militants in the school," Ging said.

"I am very confident now that there was no militant activity inside the school nor militants in the school," Ging said, reiterating a call for an independent investigation.

"If anybody has evidence to the contrary, then let's bring it forward," Ging said.

John Holmes, the top U.N. humanitarian official, told the same news conference the latest casualty figures from the school were 43 dead and 100 injured.

The casualties included people who had taken refuge inside the school and residents of nearby buildings.

--

Tyr

Free Thinker

#17

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 7th, 2009

Israel deliberately shelled a girls school today killing and injuring about 100 civilians (mostly children). They don't claim it was an accident. In fact they admit it was deliberate.

Israel stated the school wasn't being used as a school at the time. Absolutely true. It was being used as a shelter for children. Classes are cancelled right now in Gaza.

They claim they believed they had been fired upon from the school. But in the resulting carnage, they only found civilians. Not a single militant was among the dead and wounded.

Is this a terrorist act? Is war crime too strong?

If they felt the school was used to fire upon them, they're justified in getting rid of the threat. It wouldn't be the first time Hamas has used civilians to mask their attacks, noir will it be the last. It part of their operational policy.

Terrorist... War crime... Not even close

Tyr

Free Thinker

#18

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 7th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack

Well whether you believe in God or religion is one matter but if you look at it in a Historical sense...he existed. Just like we know Kings, Emperors, etc. existed. Someone surely shook up the world during that time.

in a Historical sense...he existed

I'm sure he did (although there is no proof) just like hundreds of other carpenters or fly by night psychics did back then.

Someone surely shook up the world during that time

The Romans

einmensch

#19

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 8th, 2009

"She went outside in order to prevent them arresting someone from her house," one of the students said. "They knocked her down and there was blood on her head."
The Israeli terrorist army said the woman fell on a stairway but attributed the fall to an apparent heart attack. It denied that any Israeli terrorist shoved Ayyad or caused her to fall. Meanwhile doctors said Ayyad succumbed to her injuries from the shove. "The cause of death was being pushed to the ground and being struck in the head."
This is the least you can expect from the Israeli terrorist army.

Israeli occupation forces have arrested more than 10,000 Palestinian women of various backgrounds and ages since 1967.-----Arresting mothers, wives and sisters of wanted persons or detainees is one form of collective punishment,

Quick facts:

Israeli deaths reported: 141
Palestinian deaths reported: 543
Israeli deaths actual: 108
Palestinian deaths actual: 821
% of Israeli deaths reported: 131%
% of Palestinian deaths reported: 66%
Ratio of Israeli percentage to Palestinian percentage, all ages: 2.0 to one
Israeli children's deaths reported: 9
Palestinian children's deaths reported: 27
Israeli children's deaths actual: 8
Palestinian children's deaths actual: 179
% of Israeli children's deaths reported: 113%
% of Palestinian children's deaths reported: 15%

Israel doesn't bomb schools, hospitals--Israel is being misrepresented by anti semites

Unforgiven

#20

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 8th, 2009

YouTube - Demolition Call

Colpy

Conservative

#21

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 8th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Praxius

If you don't know wtf you're targeting..... don't attack it.... it's pretty basic logic even for the stupid out there in the world.

This wasn't a mistake, this was stupidity. It was a school, where else do civilians have to go besides schools, churches, hospitals and their own homes to avoid the fighting in Gaza?

Nowhere, because even those places are being shelled to sh*t.

This is a blaitent slaughter.

I have heard of at least two UN Schools being shelled by Israel since last night..... you'd think they would have perhaps changed their tactics like sending in a small recon to areas where civilians would be hiding to confirm if they should attack or not...... but no, they're just lowly palestinians, might as rid the world of them right?

I love how people here who support Israel like to keep using the Hamas as an excuse for their actions and claiming that this is what Hamas wanted....... yet where are all the dead Hamas soldiers?

All I keep hearing about are hundreds of civilians being killed by Israel.

I ain't got a lick of sympathy for Israel and every troop of theirs that dies from this war..... they have it coming and I say good.

Baloney

Hamas regularly uses innocents as human shields.....no militants found dead or wounded? Not much wonder, all you have to do is carry off a dead body's AK and ammo and he is suddenly an "innocent civilian"

Hamas is an Islamo-fascist group bent on the destruction of Israel and the elimination of Jewry. It is backed by Iran and Syria.

Israel is a democratic free state, backed by the USA, our closest ally.

The fact you would choose to support our natural enemies rather than our natural friends......well, why?

BTW, today Hamas rejected the idea of a supervised truce on the grounds that no international peace-keeping force "to protect Israel" would be accepted.

Idiots.

lone wolf

Free Thinker

#22

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 8th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

...Israel is a democratic free state, backed by the USA, our closest ally....

Next contest in these Forums is to guess how many times Colpy has repeated this. Is it a chant or something?

darkbeaver

Republican

#23

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 8th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

Baloney

Hamas regularly uses innocents as human shields.....no militants found dead or wounded? Not much wonder, all you have to do is carry off a dead body's AK and ammo and he is suddenly an "innocent civilian"

Hamas is an Islamo-fascist group bent on the destruction of Israel and the elimination of Jewry. It is backed by Iran and Syria.

Israel is a democratic free state, backed by the USA, our closest ally.

The fact you would choose to support our natural enemies rather than our natural friends......well, why?

BTW, today Hamas rejected the idea of a supervised truce on the grounds that no international peace-keeping force "to protect Israel" would be accepted.

Idiots.

"The fact you would choose to support our natural enemies rather than our natural friends......well, why?"

You are one confused man Colpy, "our natural enemies". What was the title of the little handbook that came from? Was it How to Suck Zionist Murderers and Feel Good? The Zionists are every humans natural enemy, thier a disease of the human race.

earth_as_one

#24

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 8th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

Baloney

Hamas regularly uses innocents as human shields.....no militants found dead or wounded? Not much wonder, all you have to do is carry off a dead body's AK and ammo and he is suddenly an "innocent civilian"

Hamas is an Islamo-fascist group bent on the destruction of Israel and the elimination of Jewry. It is backed by Iran and Syria.

Israel is a democratic free state, backed by the USA, our closest ally.

The fact you would choose to support our natural enemies rather than our natural friends......well, why?

BTW, today Hamas rejected the idea of a supervised truce on the grounds that no international peace-keeping force "to protect Israel" would be accepted.

Idiots.

...and Israel has sucessfully wiped Palestine from the map and is now intent on getting rid of the evidence it ever existed by eliminating Palestinians.

UNRWA has done their own investigation and they are saying with 99.9% certainty their were no militants in this school.

UNRWA statement:

YouTube - UN Official Exposes the Israeli quothuman shieldquot lie

UNRWA has demanded Israel show proof that gunmen were in the school. So far all Israel has said is that their soldiers witnessed a secondary explosion, which even if true may or may not indicate the presence of weapons. It could also indicate the presence of fuel ie; a car... I noticed some Israeli statements are now saying militants were near the school, rather than in the school.

Quote:

"Bring it on": UN demands Israel provide proof of claims gunmen were in school

Bethlehem – Ma’an/Agencies – The UN is demanding that Israel provide evidence for its claims that Palestinian gunmen fired on Israeli forces from a UN school compound in northern Gaza before an Israeli artillery attack that killed more than 40 Palestinian civilians.

"We have nothing to hide," UNRWA spokesperson Chris Gunness told CNN on Wednesday. "Bring it on. We want to see the evidence. We want to clear any suspicion."

According to the UN, Israeli artillery shells exploded at the front gate of the compound. The UN has categorically denied that any armed men were in the school at the time.

UNRWA is using its schools to provide shelter to some 14,000 Palestinians who have fled the Israeli military campaign in Gaza. The agency, dedicated to providing relief to Palestinian refugees, said it gave the GPS coordinates of all UN installations to Israel long before the current conflict.

Three other clearly marked UN facilities also came under attack on Monday and Tuesday.

--

UNRWA gave coordinates of the school to the IDF. It has UN flags outside and is clearly marked as a school.

Colpy since you are so certain militants were in the school, perhaps you should contact UNRWA with your evidence that has led you to believe that this wasn't an IDF frack-up.

Last edited by earth_as_one; Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:19 AM..

Zzarchov

#25

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 8th, 2009

EAO, Israel hasn't "wiped Palestine off the map"

Israel is palestine, it is the state that came into being when non-palestinians annexed palestinian land (the west bank and gaza)

Kindly explain how the why Israelis can no longer claim the mantle of palestinians they have held for ages.

Surely your insistance isn't that the children of immigrants can't claim their birth land is their own?

You always claim Palestine is gone while forgetting Israel IS Palestine.

earth_as_one

#26

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 8th, 2009

Too bad for all the people who used to live in Palestine, don't qualify for Israeli citizenship because they aren't Jewish and are now being starved, bombed, shot, blown up.... You must be happy these days Z.

Zzarchov

#27

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 8th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one

Too bad for all the people who used to live in Palestine, don't qualify for Israeli citizenship because they aren't Jewish and are now being starved, bombed, shot, blown up.... You must be happy these days Z.

You mean the people who are dead? Or their descendants, like the Israeli citizens involved in this campaign of shooting, starving and bombing because they also don't like rockets falling on their houses? The ones who aren't Jewish yet are still full Israeli citizens?

einmensch

#28

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 8th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

Baloney

Hamas regularly uses innocents as human shields.....no militants found dead or wounded? Not much wonder, all you have to do is carry off a dead body's AK and ammo and he is suddenly an "innocent civilian"

If he is 16 or older= HAMAS
Female or under 16= human shield
Yes Colpy-We know the lie and you are always right

Hamas is an Islamo-fascist group bent on the destruction of Israel and the elimination of Jewry. It is backed by Iran and Syria.

I don't know why you bring Iran and Syria into this. I don't see Palestinians armed with Iranian Tanks, anti-tank equipment, effective missiles--do you?

Everyone wants to destroy Israel BUT Israel is the only one destroying over the last half century and occupying--- Islamo-FASCIST--Nazi was too blatant

Israel is a democratic free state, backed by the USA, our closest ally.

So what? The USA is our neighbour. Hydro goes to the USA and sold back to us. Oil pipeline goes into the USA before it reaches our industrial province of Ontario
Simon USA says and Canada does-so shove that one--

The fact you would choose to support our natural enemies rather than our natural friends......well, why?

The Palestinians are our natural enemies! Jews are our natural friends!
Israel is wrong although Israel has different perception. A natural friend Eh?--What a dumb comment. Natural friend!

BTW, today Hamas rejected the idea of a supervised truce on the grounds that no international peace-keeping force "to protect Israel" would be accepted.

????????????

Idiots.

Speaking about yourself again.

einmensch

#29

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 8th, 2009

LISTEN - nice break!

einmensch

#30

Re: Would you bomb a school?

Jan 8th, 2009

--

They may be your natural friends but I consider them lower than animals ><>

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