Ponderous Intellect
Posts: 4,358 
Location: Minnesota: Gopher State
Location: Minnesota: Gopher State
April 28th, 2008, 09:14 PM
"once is an abberation.
How about 42 times? "
The article shows that there were at least 800 racialist incidents. And those are reported cases. Most likely, there are hundreds more that are not reported.
"ingrained within a whole culture."
You will recall my earlier thread re India's killing of over 10 million girls. Its culture of killing females is FAR worse than that of Islam. Yet, we heard very little of it from the critics on this forum.
Remember?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4592890.stm
"once is an abberation.
How about 42 times? "
The article shows that there were at least 800 racialist incidents. And those are reported cases. Most likely, there are hundreds more that are not reported.
"ingrained within a whole culture."
You will recall my earlier thread re India's killing of over 10 million girls. Its culture of killing females is FAR worse than that of Islam. Yet, we heard very little of it from the critics on this forum.
Remember?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4592890.stm
Member
Posts: 92
Location: Ontario
Location: Ontario
May 1st, 2008, 07:30 PM
This is too sad.
I think that the word 'honor' should never be used. Having come from a Muslim/Eastern culture, I believe the correct term should be 'shame.'
A lot of men - who have been raised with the idea that respect for a woman means living by the norms of their culture - have a very misguided notion of what honor is . They think it is a shame they cannot tolerate if a related female deviates from the norm. We have to remember that this is a culture, and it doesn't have any relation to religion.
I think those who are commenting on honor -I think we need to look past it. These killings do not have anything to do with honor. It is the idea that it is a shame for a female to interact with a male outside of the families circle, whether he is British or American has nothing to do with it. It could have been an Iraqi man who was from a different social or economic rank. It could have been somebody from a different sect or tribe.
It must be stated that the root cause of shame is not culture. It is the midguided beliefs of certain individuals , which to be exact, is another way of saying its violence against women. It's a global concern . A man can kill a woman in the States or Canada, and you will not hear of it. But if he is a man of Eastern background, I can bet my life that the word honor will be shouted by the masses.
It is true that this is a major problem in Eastern countries. Women still struggle , and the older generations are refusing to change their ways. At the same time, these murders are not as common as one would think. The majority of these do happen in Middle Eastern countries. However, most men who commit such acts are not praised like the media would have us believe. Families are torn and these men normally end up being outcasts by the majority of their communities.
This is too sad.
I think that the word 'honor' should never be used. Having come from a Muslim/Eastern culture, I believe the correct term should be 'shame.'
A lot of men - who have been raised with the idea that respect for a woman means living by the norms of their culture - have a very misguided notion of what honor is . They think it is a shame they cannot tolerate if a related female deviates from the norm. We have to remember that this is a culture, and it doesn't have any relation to religion.
I think those who are commenting on honor -I think we need to look past it. These killings do not have anything to do with honor. It is the idea that it is a shame for a female to interact with a male outside of the families circle, whether he is British or American has nothing to do with it. It could have been an Iraqi man who was from a different social or economic rank. It could have been somebody from a different sect or tribe.
It must be stated that the root cause of shame is not culture. It is the midguided beliefs of certain individuals , which to be exact, is another way of saying its violence against women. It's a global concern . A man can kill a woman in the States or Canada, and you will not hear of it. But if he is a man of Eastern background, I can bet my life that the word honor will be shouted by the masses.
It is true that this is a major problem in Eastern countries. Women still struggle , and the older generations are refusing to change their ways. At the same time, these murders are not as common as one would think. The majority of these do happen in Middle Eastern countries. However, most men who commit such acts are not praised like the media would have us believe. Families are torn and these men normally end up being outcasts by the majority of their communities.
May 1st, 2008, 07:33 PM
It makes me wonder though, do you think these men will think they were shunned for the killing? Or do you think they'll lay the blame at the feet of their dead family and blame their 'shameful ways' for getting them ostracized?
Quoting senorita
And yet the courts excuse it... there's the largest part of the issue.
However, most men who commit such acts are not praised like the media would have us believe. Families are torn and these men normally end up being outcasts by the majority of their communities.
It makes me wonder though, do you think these men will think they were shunned for the killing? Or do you think they'll lay the blame at the feet of their dead family and blame their 'shameful ways' for getting them ostracized?
Member
Posts: 92
Location: Ontario
Location: Ontario
May 1st, 2008, 07:36 PM
A man who is capable of taking a life is never going to be scared to blame his flaws on the life he took .
Quoting karrie
You're right. The court system is filled with some like minded individuals . it is a sad truth. Corruption is more common because of the war and chaos...with all that is going on - this issue is not likely to be addressed...
And yet the courts excuse it... there's the largest part of the issue.
It makes me wonder though, do you think these men will think they were shunned for the killing? Or do you think they'll lay the blame at the feet of their dead family and blame their 'shameful ways' for getting them ostracized?
It makes me wonder though, do you think these men will think they were shunned for the killing? Or do you think they'll lay the blame at the feet of their dead family and blame their 'shameful ways' for getting them ostracized?
A man who is capable of taking a life is never going to be scared to blame his flaws on the life he took .
Ponderous Intellect
Posts: 4,358
Location: Minnesota: Gopher State
Location: Minnesota: Gopher State
May 1st, 2008, 08:43 PM
A man can kill a woman in the States or Canada, and you will not hear of it.
This is not entirely true, esp here in the States.
Contrary to certain popularly held notions, the fact is that there is far more reverse sexism when it comes to punishing inter-gender crimes here in the USA. There is a huge disparity given in prison sentencing based on the gender of culprit and victim: a woman who kills her husband is FAR less likely to get the type of severe sentencing that a man does for a similar crime to a woman. And while there have been several sociological studies on the subject, it rarely gets the type of attention it deserves.
Crime is crime. And it needs to be treated with an equal hand regardless of which gender commits it.
A man can kill a woman in the States or Canada, and you will not hear of it.
This is not entirely true, esp here in the States.
Contrary to certain popularly held notions, the fact is that there is far more reverse sexism when it comes to punishing inter-gender crimes here in the USA. There is a huge disparity given in prison sentencing based on the gender of culprit and victim: a woman who kills her husband is FAR less likely to get the type of severe sentencing that a man does for a similar crime to a woman. And while there have been several sociological studies on the subject, it rarely gets the type of attention it deserves.
Crime is crime. And it needs to be treated with an equal hand regardless of which gender commits it.
I had Dorothy
Posts: 1,068
Location: not in Kansas anymore
Location: not in Kansas anymore
May 2nd, 2008, 07:10 PM
Quoting #juan
Calling them loonies is good enough to be put to death. There is an elephant in the room and it goes by the name of islam.Tiptoeing around this vicious beast only enables and emboldens it.Apologizing and using moral relativism enables and emboldens it. Most know violence against women is a problem,but some stone-age cultures and 'religions' believe that women are breeding stock only and should be treated as such....Fire away.
It gets trickier. Even if the daughter had been raped, chances are she would have been put to death as well. After while you notice that somehow every perceived affront has just one penalty: Death!.
Salman Rushdie published a book and Muslims everywhere called for his death. A few Danish cartoonists published cartoons thought by Muslims to be insulting and there were calls for their execution. Hell, even Cat Stevens called for their death. The penalty for adopting another religion is death. These people are in a time warp and they are all looney.
Salman Rushdie published a book and Muslims everywhere called for his death. A few Danish cartoonists published cartoons thought by Muslims to be insulting and there were calls for their execution. Hell, even Cat Stevens called for their death. The penalty for adopting another religion is death. These people are in a time warp and they are all looney.
