Mighty Intellect
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April 22nd, 2008, 09:00 AM
Luo Haocai, the president of the China Society for Human Rights Studies, claimed that China is on a path of human rights' development with Chinese characteristics.
Luo, the China Society for Human Rights Studies director, told the inaugural Beijing Forum on Human Rights on Monday that "China believes human rights like other rights are not 'absolute' and the rights enjoyed should conform to obligations fulfilled."
"The country deems human rights not only refer to civil rights and political rights, but also include the economic, social and cultural rights," he said, "these rights are inter-related," he added.
In the past 30 years, China's progress in economic, social welfare, education and culture are easily recognized, but big progress in the rights listed in International Convention on Civil and Political Rights were often ignored, he said.
After 30 years of development, Chinese have enjoyed unprecedented freedom and basic human rights, including religious freedom and political rights, he stressed.
"At the same time, China maintains that human rights are not only the rights enjoyed by individuals but also the collective.
"The country values the protection of individual human rights, but also the collective human rights, which is an important reason for China's stability, social harmony and people's freedom," he said.
Wang Chen, Information Office of the State Council director, said "human rights development is a gradual process
China's protection of human rights differs from West
China National News
Tuesday 22nd April, 2008
(ANI)
New Delhi, Apr.22 : A Chinese expert has said that his country's human rights' development differs distinctly from those in Western countries.China National News
Tuesday 22nd April, 2008
(ANI)
Luo Haocai, the president of the China Society for Human Rights Studies, claimed that China is on a path of human rights' development with Chinese characteristics.
Luo, the China Society for Human Rights Studies director, told the inaugural Beijing Forum on Human Rights on Monday that "China believes human rights like other rights are not 'absolute' and the rights enjoyed should conform to obligations fulfilled."
"The country deems human rights not only refer to civil rights and political rights, but also include the economic, social and cultural rights," he said, "these rights are inter-related," he added.
In the past 30 years, China's progress in economic, social welfare, education and culture are easily recognized, but big progress in the rights listed in International Convention on Civil and Political Rights were often ignored, he said.
After 30 years of development, Chinese have enjoyed unprecedented freedom and basic human rights, including religious freedom and political rights, he stressed.
"At the same time, China maintains that human rights are not only the rights enjoyed by individuals but also the collective.
"The country values the protection of individual human rights, but also the collective human rights, which is an important reason for China's stability, social harmony and people's freedom," he said.
Wang Chen, Information Office of the State Council director, said "human rights development is a gradual process
Knows No Bounds
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April 22nd, 2008, 09:04 AM
Human rights aka do not exist,
Only rights of the state...which oddly enough seems to ignore the benefit of the majority of the state..and only the benefit of the elite.
Therefore the "collective human rights" seems to be "the right of the majority to support an elite minority".
Human rights aka do not exist,
Only rights of the state...which oddly enough seems to ignore the benefit of the majority of the state..and only the benefit of the elite.
Therefore the "collective human rights" seems to be "the right of the majority to support an elite minority".
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,604
April 22nd, 2008, 12:40 PM
Zzarchov
You've come out strongly in favor of corruption and theft as an acceptable strategy for the retail markeplace in Canada....why should it be any different in China? Have you any idea of how much the executives of corporations are paid (whether their companies fail or not) compared to how much the average wage-earner makes in your nirvana of "free-enterprise"....?
You believe that the masses are justly victimized, you've indicated as much in other threads ...why would it matter to you what's going on in China?
Zzarchov
You've come out strongly in favor of corruption and theft as an acceptable strategy for the retail markeplace in Canada....why should it be any different in China? Have you any idea of how much the executives of corporations are paid (whether their companies fail or not) compared to how much the average wage-earner makes in your nirvana of "free-enterprise"....?
You believe that the masses are justly victimized, you've indicated as much in other threads ...why would it matter to you what's going on in China?
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,693
April 22nd, 2008, 12:59 PM
If you think trying to sell your product or extoll its virtues is theft and corruption, then why are you on here trying to sell your opinion and extoll its virtues?
Are you trying to spread intellectual corruption?
My point stands, everything to you is a big conspiracy to strip you of your god given right to rule over other lesser human beings.
So don't take my word on it, go to China and see for yourself.
If you think trying to sell your product or extoll its virtues is theft and corruption, then why are you on here trying to sell your opinion and extoll its virtues?
Are you trying to spread intellectual corruption?
My point stands, everything to you is a big conspiracy to strip you of your god given right to rule over other lesser human beings.
So don't take my word on it, go to China and see for yourself.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,604
April 22nd, 2008, 01:05 PM
Zzarchov
You haven't paid a penny for my opinion. I'm not the proponent of theft and I'm not "selling" anything. You seem to believe that you're entitled to a quality of life that's denied others on the basis of your willingness to abandon principle. You're free to live your make-believe morality and celebrate corruption if you want.... My opinion is free and like yours, worth every penny.
Zzarchov
You haven't paid a penny for my opinion. I'm not the proponent of theft and I'm not "selling" anything. You seem to believe that you're entitled to a quality of life that's denied others on the basis of your willingness to abandon principle. You're free to live your make-believe morality and celebrate corruption if you want.... My opinion is free and like yours, worth every penny.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,604
April 22nd, 2008, 01:56 PM
Zzachov
I've been to southeast Asia...I've been to Indonesia...I've been to Europe (Germany) I've been a few places around this little orb but visting someplace isn't the same thing as living there and experiencing the wonderful outcome from western corporate greed. It takes longer than a few weeks to appreciate how insidious the contempt for all others is.
Zzachov
I've been to southeast Asia...I've been to Indonesia...I've been to Europe (Germany) I've been a few places around this little orb but visting someplace isn't the same thing as living there and experiencing the wonderful outcome from western corporate greed. It takes longer than a few weeks to appreciate how insidious the contempt for all others is.
Genius
Posts: 892
May 7th, 2008, 05:02 PM
China I hope you sleep better after reading these BS you post on your thread.
The TOTALITARIAN leadership in China is not one to be trusted. They will execute anyone who opposes them. Chinas human rights and civil liberties DON’T HOLD THE LIGHT TO FREEDOM. When we see Chinas position on the land the Tibetan monks occupy because of the uranium bellow the surface, we transparently see that these losers are not to be trusted. Killing a monk who is not armed with a weapon is an unforgettable as well unforgivable crime. So never mind with your lovable propaganda that China is out to show the world a true picture on how they protect human rights. Nothing but a pile of hog wash. He said and he said and he said nothing. They will kill if they thing that you oppose their sick ideology. China my friend although the people are great people their political system is so corrupt they are a hypocritical bunch who will do to others what they don’t want done to them.
Quoting china
New Delhi, Apr.22 : A Chinese expert has said that his country's human rights' development differs distinctly from those in Western countries.
Luo Haocai, the president of the China Society for Human Rights Studies, claimed that China is on a path of human rights' development with Chinese characteristics.
Luo, the China Society for Human Rights Studies director, told the inaugural Beijing Forum on Human Rights on Monday that "China believes human rights like other rights are not 'absolute' and the rights enjoyed should conform to obligations fulfilled."
"The country deems human rights not only refer to civil rights and political rights, but also include the economic, social and cultural rights," he said, "these rights are inter-related," he added.
In the past 30 years, China's progress in economic, social welfare, education and culture are easily recognized, but big progress in the rights listed in International Convention on Civil and Political Rights were often ignored, he said.
After 30 years of development, Chinese have enjoyed unprecedented freedom and basic human rights, including religious freedom and political rights, he stressed.
"At the same time, China maintains that human rights are not only the rights enjoyed by individuals but also the collective.
"The country values the protection of individual human rights, but also the collective human rights, which is an important reason for China's stability, social harmony and people's freedom," he said.
Wang Chen, Information Office of the State Council director, said "human rights development is a gradual process
China's protection of human rights differs from West
China National News
Tuesday 22nd April, 2008
(ANI)
Tuesday 22nd April, 2008
(ANI)
New Delhi, Apr.22 : A Chinese expert has said that his country's human rights' development differs distinctly from those in Western countries.
Luo Haocai, the president of the China Society for Human Rights Studies, claimed that China is on a path of human rights' development with Chinese characteristics.
Luo, the China Society for Human Rights Studies director, told the inaugural Beijing Forum on Human Rights on Monday that "China believes human rights like other rights are not 'absolute' and the rights enjoyed should conform to obligations fulfilled."
"The country deems human rights not only refer to civil rights and political rights, but also include the economic, social and cultural rights," he said, "these rights are inter-related," he added.
In the past 30 years, China's progress in economic, social welfare, education and culture are easily recognized, but big progress in the rights listed in International Convention on Civil and Political Rights were often ignored, he said.
After 30 years of development, Chinese have enjoyed unprecedented freedom and basic human rights, including religious freedom and political rights, he stressed.
"At the same time, China maintains that human rights are not only the rights enjoyed by individuals but also the collective.
"The country values the protection of individual human rights, but also the collective human rights, which is an important reason for China's stability, social harmony and people's freedom," he said.
Wang Chen, Information Office of the State Council director, said "human rights development is a gradual process
China I hope you sleep better after reading these BS you post on your thread.
The TOTALITARIAN leadership in China is not one to be trusted. They will execute anyone who opposes them. Chinas human rights and civil liberties DON’T HOLD THE LIGHT TO FREEDOM. When we see Chinas position on the land the Tibetan monks occupy because of the uranium bellow the surface, we transparently see that these losers are not to be trusted. Killing a monk who is not armed with a weapon is an unforgettable as well unforgivable crime. So never mind with your lovable propaganda that China is out to show the world a true picture on how they protect human rights. Nothing but a pile of hog wash. He said and he said and he said nothing. They will kill if they thing that you oppose their sick ideology. China my friend although the people are great people their political system is so corrupt they are a hypocritical bunch who will do to others what they don’t want done to them.
Genius
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May 7th, 2008, 06:24 PM
I've had both friends and relatives that lived in China tell me they love it. They all agree its different but not worse. There is a consensus though that you don't want to get tangled in the legal system.
But all our whining about China overlooks the very real fact that it is the USA which holds the distinction of imprisoning the most of its citizens (1 in 100). They also hire out their gross torture but aren't adverse to using their own forms either. The USA also imprisons more children than any other western "democracy." Since the USA is supposedly the (self appointed) shining example of western democracies this seems like an entirely silly debate to me. China and the USA are hardly distinctive from each other IMO on issues of human rights, in any kind of realistic measure, that is.
Chinese human rights are only an issue to divert attention away from other closer abusers IMO.
I've had both friends and relatives that lived in China tell me they love it. They all agree its different but not worse. There is a consensus though that you don't want to get tangled in the legal system.
But all our whining about China overlooks the very real fact that it is the USA which holds the distinction of imprisoning the most of its citizens (1 in 100). They also hire out their gross torture but aren't adverse to using their own forms either. The USA also imprisons more children than any other western "democracy." Since the USA is supposedly the (self appointed) shining example of western democracies this seems like an entirely silly debate to me. China and the USA are hardly distinctive from each other IMO on issues of human rights, in any kind of realistic measure, that is.
Chinese human rights are only an issue to divert attention away from other closer abusers IMO.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
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Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
May 7th, 2008, 07:14 PM
I doubt your friends living in China were political dissidents or even religious.
To compare China to the United States is simply so insulting........
Yes, the United States has been colouring outside the lines lately........with torture, I mean. But that is about to come to a quick stop, no matter who gets in the White House.
That 1% of folks in jail? Convicted of crimes in front of a jury of their peers, in a court where they had the right to a defense, and the right to be presumed innocent.
The Chinese wouldn't even know what that MEANS!
The Chinese not only execute about 15,000 people a year, they harvest organs from them, sometimes before their execution.
They use prisoners as slave labour.
I find it difficult to express the depth of my concern when people raised with all the priviledges, all the rights inherent in western democratic society say "Well, it isn't really better than life in a dictatorship ruled by the same party that has murdered perhaps as many as 70 million people in the last 60 years.....I mean, really, like.... so what?" (Toss of the empty head)
THINK before you post.
Quoting Scott Free
I'm gonna take you to task on this.........
I've had both friends and relatives that lived in China tell me they love it. They all agree its different but not worse. There is a consensus though that you don't want to get tangled in the legal system.
But all our whining about China overlooks the very real fact that it is the USA which holds the distinction of imprisoning the most of its citizens (1 in 100). They also hire out their gross torture but aren't adverse to using their own forms either. The USA also imprisons more children than any other western "democracy." Since the USA is supposedly the (self appointed) shining example of western democracies this seems like an entirely silly debate to me. China and the USA are hardly distinctive from each other IMO on issues of human rights, in any kind of realistic measure, that is.
Chinese human rights are only an issue to divert attention away from other closer abusers IMO.
But all our whining about China overlooks the very real fact that it is the USA which holds the distinction of imprisoning the most of its citizens (1 in 100). They also hire out their gross torture but aren't adverse to using their own forms either. The USA also imprisons more children than any other western "democracy." Since the USA is supposedly the (self appointed) shining example of western democracies this seems like an entirely silly debate to me. China and the USA are hardly distinctive from each other IMO on issues of human rights, in any kind of realistic measure, that is.
Chinese human rights are only an issue to divert attention away from other closer abusers IMO.
I doubt your friends living in China were political dissidents or even religious.
To compare China to the United States is simply so insulting........
Yes, the United States has been colouring outside the lines lately........with torture, I mean. But that is about to come to a quick stop, no matter who gets in the White House.
That 1% of folks in jail? Convicted of crimes in front of a jury of their peers, in a court where they had the right to a defense, and the right to be presumed innocent.
The Chinese wouldn't even know what that MEANS!
The Chinese not only execute about 15,000 people a year, they harvest organs from them, sometimes before their execution.
They use prisoners as slave labour.
I find it difficult to express the depth of my concern when people raised with all the priviledges, all the rights inherent in western democratic society say "Well, it isn't really better than life in a dictatorship ruled by the same party that has murdered perhaps as many as 70 million people in the last 60 years.....I mean, really, like.... so what?" (Toss of the empty head)
THINK before you post.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
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May 7th, 2008, 07:36 PM
True, it's not fair to compare the US and the Chinese systems. Both have their own. Both work for them. You are familiar with the US system, which makes you biassed and certainly not the fairest of judges. No doubt, someone influenced by China is going to be as supportive of their way - and someone who's run afoul of either is going to see the other side as better.
True, it's not fair to compare the US and the Chinese systems. Both have their own. Both work for them. You are familiar with the US system, which makes you biassed and certainly not the fairest of judges. No doubt, someone influenced by China is going to be as supportive of their way - and someone who's run afoul of either is going to see the other side as better.
Genius
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May 7th, 2008, 07:49 PM
Or being an animal activist or indigenous peoples rights advocate?
Try being a WTO protester here in Canada.
The only difference is that we don't produce propaganda on the things wrong we do.
Oh, and yes, they are religious. That isn't a problem in China unless you want to impose your beliefs on others or convert people. Seems to me if Europe in the Middle Ages had that policy we could have avoided a great many atrocities!
I suppose if we had propaganda about this maybe you would of heard about these things?
Also I don't think locking people up for life (including children) is any kinder than killing them.
You think you do which is very scary.
Quoting Colpy
You mean like being a communist during the cold war during McCarthyism in the US?
I'm gonna take you to task on this.........
I doubt your friends living in China were political dissidents or even religious.
I doubt your friends living in China were political dissidents or even religious.
Or being an animal activist or indigenous peoples rights advocate?
Try being a WTO protester here in Canada.
The only difference is that we don't produce propaganda on the things wrong we do.
Oh, and yes, they are religious. That isn't a problem in China unless you want to impose your beliefs on others or convert people. Seems to me if Europe in the Middle Ages had that policy we could have avoided a great many atrocities!
Quoting Colpy
I don't see why? The US compares themselves all the time as though they are a higher standard. I'm doing nothing new except doubting their claim.
To compare China to the United States is simply so insulting........
Quoting Colpy
They have also suspended habeas corpus, started an illegal war, committed this centuries greatest war crimes, cut back hugely on their own citizens rights, etc...
Yes, the United States has been colouring outside the lines lately........with torture, I mean. But that is about to come to a quick stop, no matter who gets in the White House.
I suppose if we had propaganda about this maybe you would of heard about these things?
Quoting Colpy
Unless your a minority, immigrant or child.
That 1% of folks in jail? Convicted of crimes in front of a jury of their peers, in a court where they had the right to a defense, and the right to be presumed innocent.
Also I don't think locking people up for life (including children) is any kinder than killing them.
Quoting Colpy
That is very narrow minded and arrogant Colpy! Just because you think your system is better doesn't mean it is. The Chinese have had their civilization a whole hell of a lot longer than we have.
The Chinese wouldn't even know what that MEANS!
Quoting Colpy
So what? What would you do? Waste the organs and have innocent people die needlessly as a result?
The Chinese not only execute about 15,000 people a year, they harvest organs from them, sometimes before their execution.
Quoting Colpy
We have chain gangs too and you can hire prisoners for a few bucks a day - that's slavery.
They use prisoners as slave labour.
Quoting Colpy
That would be because you don't know what your talking about.
I find it difficult to express the depth of my concern when people raised with all the priviledges, all the rights inherent in western democratic society say "Well, it isn't really better than life in a dictatorship ruled by the same party that has murdered perhaps as many as 70 million people in the last 60 years.....I mean, really, like.... so what?" (Toss of the empty head)
You think you do which is very scary.
Quoting Colpy
Good advice. I think you should take it.
THINK before you post.
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Posts: 2,693
May 7th, 2008, 09:07 PM
Actually, yes, I would let the organs go to waste. It calls in far too much corruption in a country where corruption is already rampant in the medical system (it has a hideous corruption rating).
Rich? Powerful? Need a new organ? Kangaroo Court someone with the right blood type and you are on your way!
A government doesn't need to intentionally be rotten, most rot is the result of many small scale corruptions each unchecked and spreading.
Actually, yes, I would let the organs go to waste. It calls in far too much corruption in a country where corruption is already rampant in the medical system (it has a hideous corruption rating).
Rich? Powerful? Need a new organ? Kangaroo Court someone with the right blood type and you are on your way!
A government doesn't need to intentionally be rotten, most rot is the result of many small scale corruptions each unchecked and spreading.
