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March 19th, 2008, 01:04 PM
Europeans see what America cannot.
Americans can’t come to terms with their self-infatuation long enough to look at something beyond “America”…..
When it comes to maintaining the consumer life-style of “America” all bets are off. Americans will forego any and all personal accountability for the invasion of Iraq and will refuse to hold their government responsible for the carnage waste and murder of thousands. Many Americans have admitted the truth, that the administration of George Bush and the subsequent years of atrocities in Iraq was born out of lies and deception….. and yet where is the great mechanism of “rule under law” that’s supposedly one of the fundamentals behind the American zeitgeist?
Maybe it’s reflected in the Elliot Spitzers of American “democracy”..?
Maybe it’s reflected in the fact that America’s unresolved and largely unaddressed xenophobia (even when living with the aftermath of supporting slavery for generations and wondering why the problem persists)..that a candidate for the highest office feels the need to address this issue?
Maybe it’s reflected in the willingness of Americans to stand idly by while their government “shores-up” the wealthiest American financial institutions while the greater majority of people begin to feel the impact of a treasonous government….
Make no mistake here. The actions of George Bush et al. are exactly that, treasonous.
Government “of the people for the people by the people” isn’t what G. W. Bush stands for and the sentiment isn’t glaringly obvious to anyone who’s experienced the corruption of government in America over the past fifty years.
And Americans sit on their hands.
Everytime Europeans and Canadians and people the world over see yet another example of the calibre of “American Democracy” as reflected in their self-consumed arrogant deprecation, the immaturity and childlike adoslescence of the fabric of “America” speaks volumes.
It’s one thing to recognize that an Administration is culpable in contributing to the destruction of nations in the name of oil and generation of wealth through war-profiteeering, it’s quite another to witness the apathy and smugness of a government that’s conditioned the people of a once free nation to accept the corruption and infamy of its highest offices as “normal”.
America is only beginning to suffer….Europeans have the ‘advantage’ of watching as their own history demonstrates repeatedly that the willingness to build walls and “circle the wagons” can only result in something that’s been the plague of war and strife across that continent for generation after generation.
Americans are simply too stupid to learn anything about the long-term costs of their malfeasance because there’ve never been bombers over the United States and Americans haven’t suffered for their arrogance. That’s changing and what these people should understand and don’t is that the invitation for destruction and years of hardship doesn’t come from some insane Islamic fundamentalist or some rabid “Communist” but from the liars and phonies they’ve elected to public office.
Europeans see what America cannot.
Americans can’t come to terms with their self-infatuation long enough to look at something beyond “America”…..
When it comes to maintaining the consumer life-style of “America” all bets are off. Americans will forego any and all personal accountability for the invasion of Iraq and will refuse to hold their government responsible for the carnage waste and murder of thousands. Many Americans have admitted the truth, that the administration of George Bush and the subsequent years of atrocities in Iraq was born out of lies and deception….. and yet where is the great mechanism of “rule under law” that’s supposedly one of the fundamentals behind the American zeitgeist?
Maybe it’s reflected in the Elliot Spitzers of American “democracy”..?
Maybe it’s reflected in the fact that America’s unresolved and largely unaddressed xenophobia (even when living with the aftermath of supporting slavery for generations and wondering why the problem persists)..that a candidate for the highest office feels the need to address this issue?
Maybe it’s reflected in the willingness of Americans to stand idly by while their government “shores-up” the wealthiest American financial institutions while the greater majority of people begin to feel the impact of a treasonous government….
Make no mistake here. The actions of George Bush et al. are exactly that, treasonous.
Government “of the people for the people by the people” isn’t what G. W. Bush stands for and the sentiment isn’t glaringly obvious to anyone who’s experienced the corruption of government in America over the past fifty years.
And Americans sit on their hands.
Everytime Europeans and Canadians and people the world over see yet another example of the calibre of “American Democracy” as reflected in their self-consumed arrogant deprecation, the immaturity and childlike adoslescence of the fabric of “America” speaks volumes.
It’s one thing to recognize that an Administration is culpable in contributing to the destruction of nations in the name of oil and generation of wealth through war-profiteeering, it’s quite another to witness the apathy and smugness of a government that’s conditioned the people of a once free nation to accept the corruption and infamy of its highest offices as “normal”.
America is only beginning to suffer….Europeans have the ‘advantage’ of watching as their own history demonstrates repeatedly that the willingness to build walls and “circle the wagons” can only result in something that’s been the plague of war and strife across that continent for generation after generation.
Americans are simply too stupid to learn anything about the long-term costs of their malfeasance because there’ve never been bombers over the United States and Americans haven’t suffered for their arrogance. That’s changing and what these people should understand and don’t is that the invitation for destruction and years of hardship doesn’t come from some insane Islamic fundamentalist or some rabid “Communist” but from the liars and phonies they’ve elected to public office.
jimmoyer
Posts: 5,040
Location: Winchester Virginia
Location: Winchester Virginia
March 19th, 2008, 01:12 PM
Americans can’t come to terms with their self-infatuation long enough to look at something beyond “America”….. ----MikeyDB
MikeyDB, I couldn't agree more.
Having island nation mentality is slowly changing because of the hispanic migration, and the net making this world smaller and closer.
But this self-infatuation inflicts all national mythologies. No one seems to learn off the other.
The EU miserably fail on a 500 page bureaucratic monstrosity called a constitution, when such a unity of states could draw some value from the US constitution.
The US won't inform its national debate on health care by looking, really looking, at Europe and Canada's experience. The US politics prefers to sensationalize and jerry-pick.
Americans can’t come to terms with their self-infatuation long enough to look at something beyond “America”….. ----MikeyDB
MikeyDB, I couldn't agree more.
Having island nation mentality is slowly changing because of the hispanic migration, and the net making this world smaller and closer.
But this self-infatuation inflicts all national mythologies. No one seems to learn off the other.
The EU miserably fail on a 500 page bureaucratic monstrosity called a constitution, when such a unity of states could draw some value from the US constitution.
The US won't inform its national debate on health care by looking, really looking, at Europe and Canada's experience. The US politics prefers to sensationalize and jerry-pick.
Council Member
Posts: 1,473
Location: Great Satan
Location: Great Satan
March 19th, 2008, 01:17 PM
Here's something Europeans can see that Americans cannot...
Dutch to legalise gay sex in public park
By Bruno Waterfield
Last Updated: 2:35am GMT 16/03/2008
Dutch council officials will permit gay sex in public areas but fine dog owners who let their pets off the leash in Amsterdam's Vondelpark.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...13/wgay113.xml
Yep..that European model..great stuff there. We Should all listen to them...
Here's something Europeans can see that Americans cannot...
Dutch to legalise gay sex in public park
By Bruno Waterfield
Last Updated: 2:35am GMT 16/03/2008
Dutch council officials will permit gay sex in public areas but fine dog owners who let their pets off the leash in Amsterdam's Vondelpark.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...13/wgay113.xml
Yep..that European model..great stuff there. We Should all listen to them...
Grossly Underrated
Posts: 6,278
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
March 19th, 2008, 01:25 PM
Well said Mikey....
Woof!
Quoting thomaska
Here's something Europeans can see that Americans cannot...
Dutch to legalise gay sex in public park
By Bruno Waterfield
Last Updated: 2:35am GMT 16/03/2008
Dutch council officials will permit gay sex in public areas but fine dog owners who let their pets off the leash in Amsterdam's Vondelpark.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...13/wgay113.xml
Yep..that European model..great stuff there. We Should all listen to them...
Dutch to legalise gay sex in public park
By Bruno Waterfield
Last Updated: 2:35am GMT 16/03/2008
Dutch council officials will permit gay sex in public areas but fine dog owners who let their pets off the leash in Amsterdam's Vondelpark.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...13/wgay113.xml
Yep..that European model..great stuff there. We Should all listen to them...
Quote:
Everytime Europeans and Canadians and people the world over see yet another example of the calibre of “American Democracy” as reflected in their self-consumed arrogant deprecation, the immaturity and childlike adoslescence of the fabric of “America” speaks volumes. - MikeyDB
Well said Mikey....
Woof!
jimmoyer
Posts: 5,040
Location: Winchester Virginia
Location: Winchester Virginia
March 25th, 2008, 08:14 AM
Everytime Europeans and Canadians and people the world over see yet another example of the calibre of “American Democracy” as reflected in their self-consumed arrogant deprecation, the immaturity and childlike adoslescence of the fabric of “America” speaks volumes.
------------------------------- MikeyDB---------------------------------------------------
We are in a bubble, and we don't know it.
But with demographics changing by age and hispanic immigration AND the internet, we might
see a little more than we thought we knew.
We are going through a rigorous curriculum in hypocrisy. No nation escapes this 400 level accredited course.
In fact this curriculum is never-ending. Just when you think you've done the personal self inventory and improved yourself, the biggest fall of hubris is just around the bend.
Everytime Europeans and Canadians and people the world over see yet another example of the calibre of “American Democracy” as reflected in their self-consumed arrogant deprecation, the immaturity and childlike adoslescence of the fabric of “America” speaks volumes.
------------------------------- MikeyDB---------------------------------------------------
We are in a bubble, and we don't know it.
But with demographics changing by age and hispanic immigration AND the internet, we might
see a little more than we thought we knew.
We are going through a rigorous curriculum in hypocrisy. No nation escapes this 400 level accredited course.
In fact this curriculum is never-ending. Just when you think you've done the personal self inventory and improved yourself, the biggest fall of hubris is just around the bend.
jimmoyer
Posts: 5,040
Location: Winchester Virginia
Location: Winchester Virginia
May 21st, 2008, 01:11 PM
The beauty here is something right in front of us.
The diversity or perversity of opinion.
When we become all united, that's when you really ought to worry.
That's when we Global Stepford Wives come, so to speak.
Consult your wikipedia entries for those of you who missed the best of the 70s B-grade movies.
The beauty here is something right in front of us.
The diversity or perversity of opinion.
When we become all united, that's when you really ought to worry.
That's when we Global Stepford Wives come, so to speak.
Consult your wikipedia entries for those of you who missed the best of the 70s B-grade movies.
House Member
Posts: 3,401
Location: USA
Location: USA
May 21st, 2008, 02:03 PM
Quoting Dixie Cup
I kind of agree with this.
My position is this - we get out of Afghanistan; the US out of there as well as Iraq and we CLOSE THE BORDERS and brace ourselves. Let the Europeans fend for themselves.
JMO
JMO
Electoral Member
Posts: 914
Location: Ardrossan, Alberta
Location: Ardrossan, Alberta
May 21st, 2008, 02:37 PM
Quoting Dixie Cup
I have to agree as well, This is a war that can not be won- It is Guerrila warfare on a global scale and the west will be the victim of attacks for the foreseeable future. There is no one government to topple, no Terrorist capital to carpet bomb and no identifible population to subdue, and unfortunately people in the Middle east hold grudges for thousands of years.
My position is this - we get out of Afghanistan; the US out of there as well as Iraq and we CLOSE THE BORDERS and brace ourselves. Let the Europeans fend for themselves.
JMO
JMO
Grossly Underrated
Posts: 6,278
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
May 21st, 2008, 03:37 PM
Quoting Dixie Cup
Okay ... lets make it three in favour. A bit of time in isolation could let the heat dissipate. Who knows? The world might even learn to like Uncle Sam again. I remember a time when I believed they were the good guys too.
My position is this - we get out of Afghanistan; the US out of there as well as Iraq and we CLOSE THE BORDERS and brace ourselves. Let the Europeans fend for themselves.
JMO
JMO
