Portrait of Insurgents

Jim wants us to believe that the Palestinians between 20 and 40 really have no idea of the history of thier people or the events of the last 60 years, this is very dishonest as it is a certainty that those people know exactly every murderous act and the source and the dates and the enemy of every day of that long slow genocide. Jim would also by his poor reasoning have us believe that the Isreali Jew is by the same age discrimination idicated by Jim to be ignorant of thier past. This is also a tactic used by the propagandist to separate a people from a cause and portray them as deranged malcontents who engage in mindless acts of indescriminant violence for no reason other than pure ignorance, when in fact they have every right to engage in armed struggle for thier lives and freedom against a brutal occupation force conducting genocide and ingaged in the annexation of Palestinian land and the destruction of Palestinian civil society.
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Schooled in history ? Most likely not. The history they're schooled in, as most people are schooled in most nations, is that of the propoganda and myth making machine of their own country. What does one learn from that ???

Have the ones over 40 experienced a valuable lesson after banging their head against the wall figuratively and literally ??

Yep. They've learned as they grow older, that being right and correct does not always mean you must keep fighting stupidly and not accomplish any results.

The Palestinians can continue to shoot their own selves in the foot. Had they not, their economy would be thriving. The oil moneyed Arab world has been piss poor in creating an economy for their beleaguered arab Palestinian brother.

From 1949 to 1967 when Jordan had the authority over their own West Bank, they did not create an economy or infrastructure with the help of their rich oil arab neighbors. No, instead they created in cynical fashion, refugee camps, to keep the burner on the stove burning hot. They did not incorporate these people into their society or into their economy.

The irony is relying on Israel for jobs. And still relying on that while they attack the Jew.

After you grow older you learn to keep your mouth shut and you wouldn't dare impart some wisdom you learned to the brainwashed ideologues of each new generation. This is what the older Palestinians know.

Many of the older ones say nothing after they've learned these brutal lessons.

Abu Mazen is about the only one brave enough to do so. And his life is in constant danger. We all pontificate here in comfort and anonymity, assured of no personal danger.


Historical amnesia plagues every young generation. Don't fool yourself.

I have to look for a report by an Israeli-American person who made friends with a Palestinian. He was completely unaware of the civil rights movement in America or of Ghandi or of Thoreau's Civil Disobedience.

After being told of the stories, this Palestinian could not see the nobility in people passively being hit by water hoses or getting gunned down and still galantly replying with no violence. It was a foreign concept. And it's history.

He saw no respect or nobility in that. He easily rationalized how little it accomplished and was then self-satisfied with his own conclusions.

So you recommend capitulation and exhault defeatism, perhaps you should practice what you preach and surrender to Marxism and do the smart profitable thing before it's to late, abandon all hope and eat with the enemy. Excuse me Jim but I don't think much of that advice of yours. I shudder to think where we would be had our ancestors followed that prescription. Nowhere I think, it's not the way of the revolutionary it;s the way of a beaten slave.

Actually this discussion is just a mere preamble to the real tactic I want to employ.

I've mentioned it before.

The Million Naked Midget Man March.

Think of it.

A million naked midgets running around in the Gaza Strip or in Bethlehem or Jerusalem.

Would they shoot them all ??

Could they ?

With the world watching ?

This picture is but a metaphor, a portal to the real.

How many Isrealis are there Jim? How long will they labour against thier own book. What is the wage of sin? When you live and prosper by the sword ,what is the eventual result? This has been a long struggle in which the meekest shall inheret I'll wager. Even now the world turns against Isreali excess of cruelty.
As you know history can be many things, truth cannot, but history can be written and rewritten as is the case in Palestine today, the only certain history in that place is blood and time, that is all the Palestinians require. The Jews used to know what it was to be hunted and exterminated without mercy, odd that they seem to have forgotten that very hard won lesson. Maybe they're tired of the taste of defeat and would not themselves capitulate as you recommend. If that is the case then we have not seen the worst. Why should I and the rest pay for that pride? When you reduce yourself and the discussion to subjecting naked little people to your disrespect you've lost the round. To your corner Jim.

I don't think this is as pure and righteous an issue. We are really a reflection of our daily headlines, we westerners vicariously living off the pain of others, pumping up our moral character. We are what we read.

Think of the Uighurs.

Do they have any less a burning claim for our attention ?

What ? You don't know of the Uighers ?

Or, until the 2nd Iraq war, few people knew of the Kurd quest for a nation.

Do they have any less a righteous claim than the Palestinians for their homeland ?

Our indignance is all pumped up.

Soup du jour.

I see no balance in these arguments. I emphasize one side. You emphasize the other side. I don't believe either of us are wrong. Nor are we completely right.

LOL !!

That last statement has got to be an understatement.

True, most of us have never heard of Uighers though more have heard of Kurds. Their struggle for homelands may be less obvious than that of Palestine because their controllers are less inclined to whine when asked to share their toys.

Woof!

Controllers whine everywhere, Lone Wolf. Don't reach for consolation so quickly.

Your point is also not the reason why we don't hear of the Uighur plight so much.
The reasons are much more banal and much more insidious.

We've lost all moral furor over Tibet. That newly completed railroad is going to stack the demographic deck. It isn't war that kills a nation or its culture, but that of migration of different cultures dominating the indigenous one.

And you seriously don't think the Uighurs and Kurds have less of a history of pain than the Palestinians ?

Woof!

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner this afternoon Jim, it got very busy here at the Institute for Advanced ahhhhhhhhh I'll have to look at the door again, but never mind. Why don't we ever talk about the human suffering in the USA man, you being a concerned humanitarian and all I was just wondering if perhaps you shouldn't save a bit of time for starving and downtrodden Americans. You know they, you know them, say that charity begins at home eh. What with the economy collapseing and the wouned soldiers and the white collar crime, crumbling infrastructure, cost overruns, no bid contracts, corporate corruption ,electoral fraud, teen pregnancys, gay marriage, godlessness, etc; I was just wondering where you find the time to worry about the Tibetans, Urgars, Sudanese, Isrealis, Iraqis, Palestinians, did I forget anybody, oh sorry Martians. Get back to me tomorrow between disasters if you have a sec or two OK.

I don't think the extinction of the Martians is as pure and righteous an issue. We are really a reflection of our daily headlines, we westerners vicariously living off the pain of others, pumping up our moral character. We are what we read.

Our indignance is all pumped up.

Soup du jour.

I see no balance in these arguments. I emphasize one side. You emphasize the other side. I don't believe either of us are wrong. Nor are we completely right.