The Fog of War Crimes

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Who's to blame when 'just following orders' means murder?

By Frida BerriganJanuary 7, 2008

A Marine squad was on a dusty road in Iraq, far from home. Suddenly, a deadly roadside bomb explodes the early morning calm and kills a lance corporal and wounds two other Marines. The mission: tend to the wounded and find those who were responsible ... Or make someone pay? Three sleeping families awaken to the sound of grenades and guns.


By the end of the "operation," 24 people were dead, including three women and six children. Bullets, fired at close range, tore through bodies and lodged deep in walls. A one-legged elderly man was shot nine times in the chest and abdomen. A man who watched the violence from his roof across the road told The Washington Post that he heard his neighbor speak to the Marines in English, begging for the lives of his wife and children, saying, "I am friend. I am good." All the family was killed except one: 13–year-old Safa. Covered in her mother's blood, she reportedly fainted and appeared dead.
In a road nearby lay the bodies of five men--four college students and their driver.

On Nov. 20, 2005, a Marine spokesman reported: "A U.S. Marine and 15 civilians were killed yesterday from the blast of a roadside bomb in Haditha. Immediately following the bombing, gunmen attacked the convoy with small-arms fire. Iraqi army soldiers and Marines returned fire, killing eight insurgents and wounding another."

The only truth in that statement was that there was a roadside bomb and that a Marine--Lance Cpl. Miguel Terrazas, known as T.J. to the other men in his squad--was killed instantly. The rest was a lie. It took months for the truth to come out, and the search for justice is taking even longer. The 24 Iraqi bodies have since been buried in a cemetery in Haditha, a farming town beside the Euphrates River. But no one--from the commander on down--has been sentenced to prison, and the effort to hold Marines responsible for this crime has focused on a few men who are low on the chain of command.

Geoffrey Corn, a retired lieutenant colonel and a professor at Southern Texas College of Law, says the laws of war work because "for every case of atrocities that we read about, there are thousands of Marines and soldiers who act with restraint."

The Laws of Armed Conflict and the Geneva Conventions were designed as the basis for military conduct in times of war. Three central principles govern armed conflict: military necessity, distinction (soldiers must engage only valid military targets) and proportionality (the loss of civilian lives and property damage must not outweigh the military advantage sought). Among other things, the Geneva Conventions identify grave breaches of international law as the "willful killing; torture or inhuman treatment; willful causing of great suffering; and extensive destruction and appropriation of property not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully or wantonly." An examination of the military's actions in the aftermath of Haditha reveals a clear unwillingness to apply these principles.
Whose neck is on the line?

"You stop war crimes by coming down on the ranking officer," says Ian Cuth-bertson, a military historian and senior fellow at the World Policy Institute.

"All armies in all wars at all times have committed war crimes," he continues. "The question is: Does command authority condone or stop them? You can't just give an 18-year-old an automatic weapon and tell him, 'Don't shoot prisoners in the head.' You need an officer to rein him in. The officer needs to feel as though his own neck is on the line."
In the case of Haditha, Marines have not put officers' necks on the line. Maj. Gen. Richard Huck, who was in charge of Marines in Haditha in 2005, along with his chief of staff Col. Richard Sokoloski and Col. Stephen Davis, who headed the regimental combat team, all received letters of censure from the secretary of the U.S. Navy. The censure did not strip the men of their rank or salary, but they will be barred from future promotions, which could force them out of the Marines. According to Gary Solis, a military law expert and former Marine, censure is the Marine Corps' most serious administrative sanction.
But, as Cuthbertson points out, the generals are not being censured for letting Haditha happen. They are being punished for not investigating. This is a big difference.

Cuthbertson cites the Allied response to the Malmedy massacre in Belgium as one example of taking war crimes seriously up the chain of command. In 1944, German soldiers killed more than 70 unarmed U.S. prisoners of war. In war crimes trials after Germany was defeated, justice was swift and extended far beyond those who actually pulled triggers. "The commander of the regiment wasn't there. He was found guilty and sentenced to death," says Cuthbertson. "The general of the Army wasn't there. He was found guilty and sentenced to life in prison."
Unraveling the massacre

In January 2006--a month after the Haditha massacre--an Iraqi journalism student gave Time magazine a video of the bloody aftermath. Taher Thabet shot footage in the homes and at the morgue, recording the carnage in shaky frames. Time passed the footage on to the chief military spokesman in Baghdad, forcing the Marines to launch an investigation. Until the evidence was in their hands (and widely available on the Internet), they appeared ready to accept as truth the flimsy, contradictory account of events cobbled together by the squad leader and his men.

Two months later, the investigation determined that Marines--not insurgents--killed the civilians, and Naval Criminal Investigative Services further concluded that the civilians were deliberately targeted. CNN reported on the investigations on March 16, and Time published a long article on March 27. President Bush, however, did not address the Haditha issue until June 1, when he called the allegations "very troubling for me and equally troubling for our military."

But it took until December 2006 for eight Marines to be charged: four enlisted men with unpremeditated murder, and four officers with dereliction for covering up or failing to report the killings. These indictments helped the Marines create the impression that those responsible for Haditha were rigorously prosecuted. Yet the four charged with murder were not the only four who pulled triggers that day. And the four officers charged in the cover up were not the only four who lied.

In handing down the eight indictments, the Marines also granted immunity to at least seven others who either participated in the killings or tried to hide what the squad had done. The military ultimately offered immunity deals to two of those charged with murder in exchange for their damning testimony. Charges against two of the officers were also dismissed after their "Article 32 hearings," a sort of a half trial, half grand-jury proceeding unique to military criminal proceedings.

At this point, criminal responsibility for 24 murders in at least four separate locations is being placed on two Marines: Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich and Lance Cpl. Stephen Tatum. Of their squad of 13, they are the only two who face general court martial for the killings.
Tatum, from Edmund, Okla., is charged with involuntary manslaughter, aggravated assault and reckless endangerment. His trial date has not been set, but if found guilty of all three, Tatum could face a maximum 19 years in confinement, a dishonorable discharge and forfeiture of pay. During his July 24, 2007 military investigation hearing, the 25-year-old Marine choked back tears, saying, "I am not comfortable with the fact that I might have shot a child. I don't know if my rounds impacted anyone. ... That is a burden I will have to bear."

For his part, Wuterich, the Marine squad leader, was originally indicted with more than a dozen counts of unpremeditated murder, as well as soliciting another to commit an offense and making false official statements, which carry a maximum penalty of imprisonment for life. After his Article 32 hearing in August 2007, Investigating Officer Lt. Paul Ware recommended dismissing 10 murder charges and reducing seven others to negligent homicide. There has not been a determination on that recommendation, and a court martial date has not yet been set. Wuterich told CBS's "60 Minutes": "Everyone visualizes me as a monster--a baby killer, cold-blooded, that sort of thing." On the TV screen, he was handsome, polished and impossibly young looking.

Of the other four charged with the lesser offense of failing to report the incident, or obstructing the investigation--only two remain under indictment. One of them, Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani, is the most senior U.S. servicemen to face a court martial for action in combat since Vietnam. He is not being charged for allowing the crimes to happen, but for violating a lawful order and willful dereliction of duty for failing to report and investigate the deaths.
In cold blood?

The cases will hinge not on what happened or why, but how: Was it a rage-induced rampage or a by-the-book operation? The answer to that question depends on which side of the gun you're on.

Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), a former Marine who chairs the Subcommittee on Defense in the House Appropriations Committee, told reporters in May 2006 that the investigations would reveal that "our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood."
But soldiers are not supposed to kill in cold blood. "War is not a license," wrote Telford Taylor, a lead-prosecutor at Nuremberg, in Vietnam, an American Tragedy. "It does not countenance the infliction of suffering for its own sake or for revenge."

Thabet, the Iraqi journalism student who filmed the aftermath at Haditha, saw rage, telling Time: "They not only killed people, they smashed furniture, tore down wall hangings and when they took prisoners, they treated them very roughly. This was not a precise military operation."

Not so, says Wuterich. "We reacted to how we were supposed to react to our training and I did that to the best of my ability," he told "60 Minutes." "The rest of the Marines that were there, they did their job properly as well. We cleared these houses the way they were supposed to be cleared." Lt. William Kallop ordered Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich to "clear" one of the homes. He was granted immunity from future prosecution in exchange for his testimony.

Another Marine, Lance Cpl. Humberto Manuel Mendoza, who was not indicted, told investigators that he shot at least two people: "I was following my training that all individuals in a hostile house are to be shot." Sgt. Sanick Dela Cruz, whose murder charges were dropped in exchange for his testimony against Wuterich, testified that after riddling dead bodies with automatic fire, he urinated on the head of one corpse. "I know it was a bad thing what I done, but I done it because I was angry T.J. was dead."
'I was just following orders'

Justifying crimes with assertions that "we reacted to how we were supposed to react to our training" is not new. It echoes Befehl ist Befehl--I was just following orders--words Nazi leaders accused of war crimes used to justify their actions. The Nuremberg Tribunals following World War II found many of them guilty, sentencing them to death or life in prison.

The tribunals placed the conscience of the individual above the will of military superiors. "In the military, there is a culture of compliance, fear, blind obedience, silence," says Camilo Mejía, 32, who joined the Army when he was 19 and went to prison rather than return to Iraq. Mejía served in the Florida National Guard and went to Iraq as staff sergeant in 2003. "Behavior is suggested and implied. The expectation is that if everyone else is doing it, you should do it."

At a detention facility in Al Assad, Mejía's unit was responsible for keeping prisoners awake for long periods of time in preparation for interrogation. In an interview, he described their job as "sleep deprivation with loud sounds, mock executions, treating them as sub-humans." His unit performed this long enough to "see that this was a systematic problem from the very top," says Mejía. "They had set the tone and the work. We just followed suit. No one sat us down and said, 'We want you to commit war crimes.' But they communicated what we were supposed to do, and that was war crimes."

In June 2004, Mejía told CBS's "60 Minutes II" about the 12 or 13 Iraqis he and his men killed in Ramadi, mostly civilians caught in the crossfire. "Whether you want to admit it or not to yourself, this is a human being," Mejía. "And I saw this man go down and I saw him being dragged through a pool of his own blood and that shocked me."
In war, Mejía says, "committing war crimes is what you are expected to do."
Hamdaniya

The month after the Haditha massacre became news, the Marines found themselves shamed by another atrocity. On April 26, 2006, Marines based in Hamdaniya dragged Hashim Ibrahim Awad, a 52-year-old man and father of 11 children, from his home in the middle of the night, bound his hands and feet and shot him to death. The Marines' plan was to snatch a suspected insurgent said to be behind a rash of roadside bombings and who had been repeatedly captured but released. When the Marines could not find him, they kidnapped and killed the man's neighbor instead. Later, they stole an AK-47 and staged the scene so that it appeared that Awad was caught while deploying a roadside bomb.

Seven Marines and a Navy corpsman--who became known as the Camp Pendleton Eight--were charged in the case. During the Article 32 hearings, defense attorneys said the Marines' superiors told them they were too soft. They had witnessed their superiors beating Iraqi suspects and felt pressured to be more aggressive in an environment where roadside bombs and attacks were constant and assailants melted in and out of the civilian population. Lance Cpl. Robert Pennington testified that the men were "sick of" their rules of engagement and decided "to write our own rules to keep ourselves alive."
Trent Thomas, a corporal from East St. Louis charged in the case, appeared on "Anderson Cooper 360 Degrees." When asked if he was ordered to kill Awad: "I really can't say," Thomas responded, but later allowed, "I think your leadership plays a huge factor in what you do. That's all I can say."

Thomas was demoted to private and received a bad conduct discharge.
Only two of the Camp Pendleton Eight remain in prison. Pennington is expected to serve eight years on a 14-year sentence after a plea agreement, and Sgt. Lawrence Hutchins was sentenced to 15 years. But Gen. James Mattis--the same convening authority who made determinations in the Haditha killings--is reportedly considering reducing both sentences.
Abu Ghraib

The world learned about Abu Ghraib from the photos. Piles of naked bodies. A man leashed like a dog. A hooded figure standing on a box with wires hanging from him. A menacing dog inches from a cringing man's face.

Assertions that the torture was the result of sadistic, bored or under-supervised soldiers have been widely discredited. "There is no way that a handful of low-ranking soldiers could have invented techniques all by themselves that, curiously enough, were used at Guantánamo and at other places in Iraq and Afghanistan," says Stjepan Mestrovic, a sociologist at Texas A&M University.

After months of cover-up, the blame was laid at the feet of several low-ranked soldiers, pictured grinning and giving the thumbs-up. Pvt. Lynndie England and Spc. Charles Graner were tried, convicted and sentenced to three and 10 years, respectively. Seven others have been sentenced for abuse at Abu Ghraib.

Only 54 military personnel--a fraction of the more than 600 U.S. personnel implicated in detainee abuse cases throughout Iraq and elsewhere in the war on terror--have been convicted by court martial. And only 40 have been sentenced to prison time, many for less than a year, according to a 2006 analysis by the Detainee Abuse and Accountability Project. No U.S. military officer has been held accountable for criminal acts committed by subordinates under the doctrine of command responsibility.
International law limps into the breach

Military prosecutors have won convictions against soldiers and Marines in more than 200 cases of violent crimes, including murder, rape and assault against Iraqi civilians, according to a July 27, 2007 New York Times analysis. In some cases, these convictions may come with severe sentences. Federal prosecutors are said to be seeking the death penalty for former Pvt. Stephen Green, who is accused of raping and murdering a 14-year-old Iraqi girl, as well as slaying her parents and younger sister. He will be tried as a civilian because he was discharged before the crimes came to light. This horrific crime is the subject of Brian de Palma's new movie Redacted.

But seeking the death penalty for Green, sentencing Hutchins to 15 years or court-martialing Wuterich for multiple unpremeditated murders is not the same as seeking justice for war crimes. These three should be held responsible, but the scales of justice are tipped toward scapegoating the convenient foils. They have committed awful and criminal acts, but their guilt cannot be easily separated from those who are the architects of the war.

In November 2006, the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR), a nonprofit legal and educational organization, filed a criminal complaint, asking a German federal prosecutor to open "a criminal prosecution that will look into the responsibility of high-ranking U.S. officials for authorizing war crimes in the context of the so-called war on terror," according to a CCR statement. On behalf of 12 Iraqi citizens whom the U.S. military detained and tortured at Abu Ghraib, the complaint names former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and other high-ranking U.S. officials. The German court dismissed the case in April 2007, ruling that a U.S. court should hear the charges. But CCR--along with other groups--have filed similar charges in Sweden, Argentina and France.

"This is a case of universal jurisdiction," says Belinda Cooper, editor of War Crimes: The Legacy of Nuremberg and a professor of human rights and international law at New York University's Center for Global Affairs, "It's brought under the theory that any country can take jurisdiction of particularly heinous crimes, especially if the country that would normally prosecute them is unlikely to do so." She continues: "But can you imagine Bush being tried in the U.S. or Putin in Russia for, say, torture of detainees during their administrations? The new international criminal court is not going to touch a Putin or a Bush."

While these projects inch forward, soldiers are taking matters into their own hands. In March 2008, Iraq Veterans Against the War will convene new Winter Soldier hearings, modeled on the February 1971 meetings in a Detroit Howard Johnson's. In the shadow of the My Lai massacre revelations, the hearings provided a platform to more than 125 Vietnam veterans to describe the atrocities they participated in and witnessed. This effort could once again give the United States a chance to listen to soldiers and Marines as they break the silence, hold themselves and each other accountable and demand the same from the architects of the war.
 

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Geoffrey Corn, a retired lieutenant colonel and a professor at Southern Texas College of Law, says the laws of war work because "for every case of atrocities that we read about, there are thousands of Marines and soldiers who act with restraint."

It dosn't matter how they act they're all guilty of the crime of invasion and ocupaytion, we hear a small percentage of the acts just like these and nothing of the covert operations like blowing up mosques and bridges and separating communitys and the climbing death toll of children and the complete ruination of that country, it's called genocide, and it is nothing but that.
 

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Iraq was and is an illegal war so the war crimes are too numerous to count. Iraq was no threat to the U.S. Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction. Iraq was not involved in 9/11.

The invasion of Iraq was a war crime and the occupation and any military operations continue to be war crimes.
 

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The world that emerged from WWII had pretty concrete views on war crimes. We abolished sovereign immunity. We put a lot of nasty people on trial for crimes against humanity and sent a good number of them to the gallows. No longer would the world sit by and tolerate their butchery.

We were never really as noble as we pretended to be. Realpolitik led us to look the other way. Genocide continued. Think Cambodia or Rwanda, Biafra or the Congo. But that was Asia and Africa, places that hardly mattered among polite company. It would be enough that we and our friends wouldn't resort to such barbarism.

Sadly, the ghosts of Nuremberg have returned and, once again, we're doing nothing.

Deutsche Welle's Rainer Sollich offers up the slaughter in Aleppo (link is external) that will almost certainly spread to the rest of Syria as an example of the West's fecklessness. To Sollich the lesson is clear - war crimes now pay off.

The military triumph of the Assad regime is unstoppable as long as it can rely on its allies. As soon as all of Aleppo is under the control of the regime, Bashar al-Assad will almost certainly set his sights on the remaining rebel-held areas in the Idlib region.

The war will go on, and claim many more victims. Who or what could still stop Assad?

It seems the answer is not the West, or the so-called "international community." The United Nations has completely failed, as departing Secretary General Ban Ki Moon has acknowledged. The world is standing by, doing nothing as people in Aleppo and the rest of the country are murdered. Diplomatic efforts continue to be made, but they are a cover for pure powerlessness. Nobody has come forward to aid Syria's civilians. And that is not likely to change under the administration of US President- Elect Donald Trump.


But, of course, that's Syria and we've been at odds with that place and the Assads for donkey's years. It's not like they're our ally or anything. Yet, when we look at Saudi Arabia and Israel that's just a distinction without a difference.

We, yes Canada included, have been allied with the real butchers of the Middle East, yes, the Saudis. Thanks to the House of Saud and their friends in Ottawa, Canada has become the second largest arms trafficker to the region.

The Saudis have been bombing Houthi civilians in towns and cities in Yemen using American made cluster bombs. That's a war crime and it's a crime against humanity. The Americans have had their fill of these war crimes and the Brits are getting nervous about how this makes them look. The Trudeau government? Well, a deal's a deal.

We're on the record. The Saudis are our allies. Together we're fighting this ill-named War on Terror. Only these same Saudis and their cousins, the princes, emirs, and sheikhs of the Gulf States have both promoted and funded the most radical strain of Sunni Islam that inevitably manifests in murderous groups such as al Qaeda, al Nusra, ISIS and Boko Haram. Those Houthi rebels in Yemen?


Their fighters are battling al Qaeda and ISIS forces.

Let's look at the record. The original "embassy bombings" - Salafist Sunni. The attack on the USS Cole - Salafist Sunni. The original World Trade Center parkade bombing - radical Sunni Islamists. The 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon - ditto, Sunni. al Qaeda, al Nusra, ISIS, Boko Haram - you guessed it - radical Sunni Islamists. Who provides funding and support to these outfits? I guess that would be our allies.


Who funds the madrassas where this venomous strain of Islam is spread throughout the Muslim world? Yeah, our ally, Saudi Arabia.

At what point do we have to accept some measure of complicity in their handiwork for recognizing them as allies and supporting them with their armament needs? Sure Canada isn't selling them cluster bombs but we are delivering Canadian-made death wagons, the Saudis' democracy suppression weapon of choice.

What of Canada's fulsome and unquestioning support of Israel? When it comes to war crimes the made-in-Israel doctrine of Dahiyeh (link is external) is first class. Rather than attack combattants, go after civilian populations and their essential infrastructure. It typically starts with a two to three day air campaign to destroy the water, sewer and power plants followed by the destruction of hospitals, schools and police stations before turning to what's left, residential neighbourhoods. It began as an experiment tested on the Beirut neighbourhood of the same name and the pattern has been repeated in Israel's last two campaigns against the Palestinian population of Gaza.

Is it a war crime? Absolutely. Does Israel care? Not so long as it has its two holdout backers in the UN, the United States and Canada.

Rainer Sollich's point, as I get it, is that these war crimes happen because, by act or omission, we let them happen. Friend and foe alike repeatedly show us what they'll do if they know we'll do nothing.

The ghosts of Nuremberg are back. We didn't have to let that happen.
 

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We were never really as noble as we pretended to be.


If we really meant what we said, George W. Bush and Tony Blair would have stood trial for arbitrarily invading another sovereign country. The excuse used that it was a defensive move still doesn't fly. The Germans invaded Poland as a defensive move, as much as anything, too.
 

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Saudi Arabia and the United States on Sunday played down media reports that Washington had decided to limit military support, including planned arms sales to the kingdom, over its war in Yemen.

Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir said that Riyadh had not been officially informed of such decisions, which he described as contradicting the reality, while visiting U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry suggested the issue related more to a long procurement process than restrictions on military support.

U.S. officials have said Washington decided to curb backing for Saudi Arabia's campaign in Yemen, including halting the supply of some precision-guided munitions, because of concerns over widespread civilian casualties.

Yemen's 20-month-old war has killed more than 10,000 people and triggered humanitarian crises, including chronic food shortages, in the poorest country in the Arabian peninsula.

Jubeir, speaking in Arabic, told a joint news conference with Kerry: "This news that has been leaked contradicts reality. The reality is that converting regular bombs to smart bombs would be welcome because smart bombs are more accurate.

"The kingdom has received nothing official from the American government in this regard," he said in answer to a question on reported delays of U.S. weapons supplies.

Kerry appeared to play down the reports of delays to weapons supplies, suggesting procurement was often a slow process, and adding he had worked hard to move sales "forward".

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Saudi Arabia, U.S. play down reports of curbs on military support | Reuters
 

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We should be doing the same. The Saudis are not our friends.
 
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the sauds and Israelis own enough debt
they don't need friends,

and the people doing the helping aren't friends
profit does't need friends, profit buys hos


and re Assad
the US claimed he used poison gas on his own people
but turned out it was the US backed IsUS that used it

Just for being involved, the Israeli, and the US governments, and every commercial company involved in making weapons that kill more people then a badly made baby crib, should all be in the dock
 

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I'm not convinced that Israel should be put on the "dock" because every since that country has been in existence, they've had to defend themselves from attack but the U.S has never been attacked, (except for 911) but then they attack and invade the wrong country. It

I'm not convinced that Israel should be put on the "dock" because every since that country has been in existence, they've had to defend themselves from constant attacks. After 911 the US is too stupid to go after the real culprits and invents one instead. How criminal is that?


(Oops, keyboard stuck and I wasn't finished). It's unbelievable that peoples heads didn't roll after it was determined that Iraq didn't have WMD. They should have been charged with war crimes. Either they were being deliberately obtuse or their intelligence people are the worst ever! I'm thinking it's a bit of both.


JMHO
 

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eretz Israel invaded palistien and they need a pipeline to get their stolen Iraqi oil to Europe
which involves settling out side of Israels borders which they are doing, and through deception thou shalt create war:

you wonder why the illegal wars in Libya, Syria Iraq and Afghanistan, and all the other muslim countries?
gotta flood Europe with Mideastern oil and weaponized MUSLIM refugees

RUSSIA BOMBS 30 CIA, QATARI, MOSSAD OFFICERS IN SECRET ALLEPO BUNKER
https://geopolitics.co/2016/09/24/russia-bombs-30-cia-mossad-officers-in-secret-allepo-bunker/

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUoDVcx88Kg
here... so much for the fake justification for invading Palistien in the first place

i use an israeli software spell checker sometimes
it doesn't recognize the word palistien
 

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The efficiency of the Russian war economy can't be beat. RT studios will make planet buster movies , Russia is in the upper middle east. Millions of square kilometers are in the temperate zone.
 

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A Human Rights Watch probe into a Saudi-led airstrike in Yemen that killed school children has renewed calls to place the coalition back on the UN secretary-general’s ‘list of shame’ for children’s rights abusers, after it was removed from it last year.

The results of the investigation were published Thursday by HRW, and detail another reportedly indiscriminate air bombardment that hit near a school, resulting in the deaths of two students and three more children wounded. A school administrator was also killed in the airstrike, and a further two adults were wounded. Some 900 children attend classes in the building.

HRW calls this another “unlawful attack,” and emphasizes the need to try to reinforce the Saudi-led coalition to submit to human rights principles.

The bombing, which dates back to January 10, is a reminder that Saudi Arabia needs to be investigated for its alleged violation of the laws of war in Yemen, HRW says in the report, adding that ending arms sales to Riyadh should be put on the agenda again.

HRW heard testimonies from parents of children, who had minutes before the strike sent them off to class only to learn that a missile had hit the area around the time of the first bell.

It was not the first time allied airstrikes had hit the area around the village, situated around 8km from where fighting is ongoing between Houthi rebels and forces loyal to former President Ali Abdullah Saleh. Witnesses tell HRW that, although multiple strikes had previously been carried out on refueling vehicles, there was no enemy presence in the area around the time of the strike.

News of the investigation comes amid word of yet another airstrike, which killed at least eight women and a child and injured dozens more at a funeral north of Yemen’s capital in the Arhab District , AFP reported on Thursday, citing medical sources.

Another strike was reportedly carried out on a funeral reception in the village of Shiraa near Sanaa where eight women and a child were killed, medics told local media on Thursday.

The rebels have accused the coalition of carrying out the strikes. The Saudi-led coalition said it was investigating the reports.

Last year, then UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon removed the Saudi coalition from the blacklist. According to reports, he was allegedly forced to do so by a number of states.

Meanwhile, the UN secretary-general said back then that "it is unacceptable for member states to exert undue pressure...scrutiny is a natural and necessary part of the work of the United Nations" – though he did not specifically mention the coalition when making this statement.

“The secretary-general’s decision flies in the face of overwhelming evidence that violations by the Saudi-led coalition have killed and maimed hundreds of children in Yemen,” children’s rights advocacy director at HRW, Jo Becker, said at the time.

The organization recently wrote of its surprise that the Russian failure to retain its UN Human Rights Council seat was all over the news late last year, while Saudi Arabia not only wasn’t put back on the "list of shame," but somehow managed to retain its own seat on the council.

https://www.rt.com/news/377571-saudi-coalition-yemen-children-abuse/
 

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but the saudis are not on trumps list of banned countries
which is something to make one ponder

but then money talks and the saudis own a lot of it
lol
definition of Ironic: when the USD crashes though the sauds can spend what ever is left of their savings floating israel because the US won't have anything left to give away
 

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Doesn't matter your brigade, no soldier has to obey orders that constitute going against their countries orders of conduct. You are not a murderer if you are defending yourself in combat, these soldiers however are murderers.
 

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Shifting the blame to Trump for Yemen's demise from the USA led and backed Saudi coalition is shameful but at least the article points that out............


President Donald Trump may be on the brink of sparking a full-blown famine in Yemen ― all because of a subtle shift in messaging that risks effectively cutting off humanitarian relief to the war-torn nation.

For more than a year, former President Barack Obama’s administration urged a coalition led by Saudi Arabia and the UAE not to attack or seize the critical port of Hodeidah on Yemen’s west coast. The bulk of humanitarian supplies that enter Yemen flow through Hodeidah, and attacking the port, which is controlled by the Houthi rebels, would likely put it out of commission, the Obama administration warned.

But now the coalition, allied with the nominal Yemeni government of President Abdu Rabbu Mansour Hadi, has been redirecting humanitarian and commercial ships carrying food away from the Hodeidah port, relief workers told The Huffington Post. That redirection is itself a major blow to relief efforts. But it could also signal an attack is imminent.

For the past several weeks, the coalition has sent ships instead to the smaller port in Aden, about 250 miles away, said Jamie McGoldrick, a humanitarian coordinator for the United Nations. Humanitarian workers in Yemen have observed a “drastic decrease” in the number of ships reaching the port of Hodeidah,” said Christophe Morard, a logistics officer at the U.N. World Food Program, which heads a group of nonprofits working together in Yemen.

The rerouting of ships coincides with coalition airstrikes over Hodeidah and a military offensive by the Saudi-led forces to retake Mokha, another port city about 100 miles to the south. That confluence of events has led aid workers to develop a contingency plan in case the coalition moves on from Mokha and closes Hodeidah in an attempt to retake it from the Houthis, Morard said.

“Clearly they have some plans militarily for the port,” McGoldrick said of the coalition. “It’s part and parcel of an attempt to try and weaponize the economy.”

An effort by the Hadi-aligned coalition to retake Hodeidah would likely shut the port down for an extended period of time, former U.S. government officials and current aid workers say. Even a short-term halt of the flow of goods through Hodeidah would cut off life-saving food aid to Yemenis on the brink of starvation.

The Obama administration, which faced criticism from human rights groups for its military support to the Saudi-led coalition, took a hardline stance against the coalition attacking the Red Sea ports ― especially Hodeidah, four current and former administration officials told HuffPost. Obama specifically pressed the issue when Saudi Arabia’s King Salman visited the White House in 2015.

Even in a best-case scenario in which the coalition successfully retook the port from the Houthis, the battle would create front lines around Hodeidah, and there’s ample reason to believe the Houthis would make repeated attempts to reclaim it. “The passage of food through those lines would be as difficult as the passage through any other battles lines,” one former senior administration official who worked on the region said, pointing to the southern port city of Aden as an example. When the coalition retook Aden in 2015, the port was inaccessible to humanitarian aid for four months, the BBC reported at the time.

Because the Houthis control major population centers in the western part of the country, it’s unclear whether the coalition would be able or willing to distribute humanitarian aid throughout Yemen if it succeeded in taking over Hodeidah. “If we see a scenario where the bulk of the population is under the control of one side ― regardless of which side ― and the main channel for bringing in aid and commercial food is controlled by the other side, that’s a recipe for disaster,” said a second former administration official.

Despite pressure from the Obama administration, the coalition didn’t always leave the Red Sea ports alone.

“I don’t really know if there was much of a leash in the Obama administration,” said Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), a member of the Senate foreign relations committee. “We kept telling them not to bomb civilians, not double tap civilian targets, and they kept doing it. I’m not sure we had much control over what the Saudis and Emirates were doing before the Trump administration took over.”

Airstrikes in 2015 destroyed some of the cranes that were used to haul cargo off the ships. Last year, the coalition bombed the main bridge that connects Hodeidah to Sanaa, Yemen’s capital ― a target that the U.S. had included on a no-strike list.

At the same time, the Saudi-led coalition, which is dependent on the U.S. for military support and diplomatic cover in its fight against the Houthis in Yemen, took objections from Washington into account. “When we saw decreases in the flow of food and medicine, we would immediately respond and you would generally see an improvement in the amounts going through,” the first former official said.

“But it was something we constantly monitored.”

On Thursday, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson met with the U.N. special envoy for Yemen and his counterparts from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Oman and the U.K. to discuss the conflict. The State Department’s readout on the meeting referenced the U.N.-led process to end the conflict and the need for the unfettered delivery of humanitarian aid. Conspicuously absent from the readout was any mention, as was included in past statements, of the need for a ceasefire in Yemen. State Department readouts are carefully parsed word for word by a team of experts who are cognizant that even a slight change in phrasing can send a meaningful signal.

The Famine Early Warning Systems Network tracks food scarcity worldwide with a one through five scale. Phase five is a famine. Between 7 and 10 million people in Yemen are estimated to be in phase three, the crisis phase. Of that population, at least 2 million are in phase four, the emergency phase.

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