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July 9th, 2008, 03:47 PM
A REAL AIRPLANE CRASH
A REAL AIRPLANE CRASH...
Posted Jul 9, 2008 12:55 PM PST
Category: 911
Did you see pieces like this at the Flight 93 crash site?
A REAL AIRPLANE CRASH
A REAL AIRPLANE CRASH...
Posted Jul 9, 2008 12:55 PM PST
Category: 911
Did you see pieces like this at the Flight 93 crash site?
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July 9th, 2008, 07:30 PM
this isnt the first time the US has done something like this to have a reason to go to war with another nation, ww1, veitnam, and now iraq/afganistan all had events staged by the american government to enter or start a war... check it out
this isnt the first time the US has done something like this to have a reason to go to war with another nation, ww1, veitnam, and now iraq/afganistan all had events staged by the american government to enter or start a war... check it out
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July 9th, 2008, 10:43 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident
is the lesser known one i guess,
and the sinking of the lusitania prior to US involvment in ww1, sending a unescorted passenger liner into contested waters full of uboats full of americans doesnt say shoot me? The german embassy warned them, and i think the reason why there is a conspiracy behind that is because she was not escorted, but then again its a conspiracy. ill leave u to decide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident
is the lesser known one i guess,
and the sinking of the lusitania prior to US involvment in ww1, sending a unescorted passenger liner into contested waters full of uboats full of americans doesnt say shoot me? The german embassy warned them, and i think the reason why there is a conspiracy behind that is because she was not escorted, but then again its a conspiracy. ill leave u to decide
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July 18th, 2008, 07:38 AM
An untold story of 9/11
Former federal terrorism investigators say a piece of luggage hastily checked in at the Portland, Maine, airport by a World Trade Center hijacker on the morning of Sept. 11 provided the Rosetta stone enabling FBI agents to swiftly unravel the mystery of who carried out the suicide attacks and what motivated them.
Posted Jul 17, 2008 05:51 PM PST
Category: 911
So, the official story is that a terrorist intent on killing himself on his flight bothered to pack a suitcase, and even though he never expected to unpack it and expected it to be incinerated, instead of just throwing some clothes into that suitcase he took the time to load up that suitcase with all kinds of incriminating evidence pointing the finger of blame to Middle East Arab Muslims (i.e. Israel's enemies). Then, miracle of miracles, this suitcase, which should have vaporized with the rest of the airplane, together with its load of incriminating evidence "somehow" was left OFF the plane, ready to be found by investigators! And if you believe that one, I have a variable rate mortgage to sell you!
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...,3743892.story
An untold story of 9/11
Former federal terrorism investigators say a piece of luggage hastily checked in at the Portland, Maine, airport by a World Trade Center hijacker on the morning of Sept. 11 provided the Rosetta stone enabling FBI agents to swiftly unravel the mystery of who carried out the suicide attacks and what motivated them.
Posted Jul 17, 2008 05:51 PM PST
Category: 911
So, the official story is that a terrorist intent on killing himself on his flight bothered to pack a suitcase, and even though he never expected to unpack it and expected it to be incinerated, instead of just throwing some clothes into that suitcase he took the time to load up that suitcase with all kinds of incriminating evidence pointing the finger of blame to Middle East Arab Muslims (i.e. Israel's enemies). Then, miracle of miracles, this suitcase, which should have vaporized with the rest of the airplane, together with its load of incriminating evidence "somehow" was left OFF the plane, ready to be found by investigators! And if you believe that one, I have a variable rate mortgage to sell you!
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...,3743892.story
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July 18th, 2008, 07:55 AM
911 Tribute From England
An English Tribute!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nhUCYQ1ulsI
911 Tribute From England
An English Tribute!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nhUCYQ1ulsI
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July 18th, 2008, 07:30 PM
July 18, 2008
Why the World Trade Center towers floors could not 'pancake' collapse as we have been told.
The typical floor structural configuration for the World Trade Center Towers spanned from the exterior wall columns to where the inner 49 columns formed support for the elevator shafts, stair towers, air shafts and mechanical systems. Thus, each floor was NOT a monolithic slab and structural system spanning across each tower from one exterior wall to the other three, as we are led to believe. Each floor, in fact, terminating at the contiguous structural core, resembled a square 'donut', with the structural core, so to speak, being the 'donut' hole. Failure of floor structural support in any quadrant of the building plan, or even in any half, thus, would have failed ASSYMETRICALLY. And at the time of failure would not, could not, have 'pancaked' symmetrically as the misleading NIST and commission reports indicate (diagrams shown in these reports are graphically out of scale, and do not accurately represent the building's structure).
See Orignal Drawings:
Floor Plan, 35th to 40th Floors, http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid...A/A-A-58_0.png
Building Sections http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid.../A-A-177_0.png
How do I know this? What is my personal technical reference? From 1970 to 1972 I was a young design development draftsman for the firm of Minoru Yamasaki Associates, the design architectural firm for the WTC. I was part of the team that detailed the complex aluminum cladding fenestration details for similar building's 'skins' done at the same approximate time and also worked, in part, on detailing the WTC Executive Floor interior paneling and updating the WTC plans to reflect various 'as-built' construction changes. I was quite familiar with the structural system at work on the towers, both at a technical and intuitive level, based on project experience.
The towers could not possibly have collapsed as we have been told in the 'official' reports, one floor, coincident, on top of another, without powerful external forces at work--forces other than the plane crashes and the relatively low temperature jet fuel fires. That is, explosives. The WTC towers were intentionally demolished.
R H Nigl
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July 18, 2008
Why the World Trade Center towers floors could not 'pancake' collapse as we have been told.
The typical floor structural configuration for the World Trade Center Towers spanned from the exterior wall columns to where the inner 49 columns formed support for the elevator shafts, stair towers, air shafts and mechanical systems. Thus, each floor was NOT a monolithic slab and structural system spanning across each tower from one exterior wall to the other three, as we are led to believe. Each floor, in fact, terminating at the contiguous structural core, resembled a square 'donut', with the structural core, so to speak, being the 'donut' hole. Failure of floor structural support in any quadrant of the building plan, or even in any half, thus, would have failed ASSYMETRICALLY. And at the time of failure would not, could not, have 'pancaked' symmetrically as the misleading NIST and commission reports indicate (diagrams shown in these reports are graphically out of scale, and do not accurately represent the building's structure).
See Orignal Drawings:
Floor Plan, 35th to 40th Floors, http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid...A/A-A-58_0.png
Building Sections http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid.../A-A-177_0.png
How do I know this? What is my personal technical reference? From 1970 to 1972 I was a young design development draftsman for the firm of Minoru Yamasaki Associates, the design architectural firm for the WTC. I was part of the team that detailed the complex aluminum cladding fenestration details for similar building's 'skins' done at the same approximate time and also worked, in part, on detailing the WTC Executive Floor interior paneling and updating the WTC plans to reflect various 'as-built' construction changes. I was quite familiar with the structural system at work on the towers, both at a technical and intuitive level, based on project experience.
The towers could not possibly have collapsed as we have been told in the 'official' reports, one floor, coincident, on top of another, without powerful external forces at work--forces other than the plane crashes and the relatively low temperature jet fuel fires. That is, explosives. The WTC towers were intentionally demolished.
R H Nigl
rhnigl @exoptica.com
Google "R Henry Nigl"
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July 18th, 2008, 07:51 PM
good post dark-beaver the truth will out eventually
Quoting darkbeaver
This is what Ive said time and time again in the other threads, that the pancake collapse was impossible ,as it would have taken the towers at least 96 seconds to fall had it been so, not 12...!!!! July 18, 2008
Why the World Trade Center towers floors could not 'pancake' collapse as we have been told.
The typical floor structural configuration for the World Trade Center Towers spanned from the exterior wall columns to where the inner 49 columns formed support for the elevator shafts, stair towers, air shafts and mechanical systems. Thus, each floor was NOT a monolithic slab and structural system spanning across each tower from one exterior wall to the other three, as we are led to believe. Each floor, in fact, terminating at the contiguous structural core, resembled a square 'donut', with the structural core, so to speak, being the 'donut' hole. Failure of floor structural support in any quadrant of the building plan, or even in any half, thus, would have failed ASSYMETRICALLY. And at the time of failure would not, could not, have 'pancaked' symmetrically as the misleading NIST and commission reports indicate (diagrams shown in these reports are graphically out of scale, and do not accurately represent the building's structure).
See Orignal Drawings:
Floor Plan, 35th to 40th Floors, http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid...A/A-A-58_0.png
Building Sections http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid.../A-A-177_0.png
How do I know this? What is my personal technical reference? From 1970 to 1972 I was a young design development draftsman for the firm of Minoru Yamasaki Associates, the design architectural firm for the WTC. I was part of the team that detailed the complex aluminum cladding fenestration details for similar building's 'skins' done at the same approximate time and also worked, in part, on detailing the WTC Executive Floor interior paneling and updating the WTC plans to reflect various 'as-built' construction changes. I was quite familiar with the structural system at work on the towers, both at a technical and intuitive level, based on project experience.
The towers could not possibly have collapsed as we have been told in the 'official' reports, one floor, coincident, on top of another, without powerful external forces at work--forces other than the plane crashes and the relatively low temperature jet fuel fires. That is, explosives. The WTC towers were intentionally demolished.
R H Nigl
rhnigl @exoptica.com
Google "R Henry Nigl"
Why the World Trade Center towers floors could not 'pancake' collapse as we have been told.
The typical floor structural configuration for the World Trade Center Towers spanned from the exterior wall columns to where the inner 49 columns formed support for the elevator shafts, stair towers, air shafts and mechanical systems. Thus, each floor was NOT a monolithic slab and structural system spanning across each tower from one exterior wall to the other three, as we are led to believe. Each floor, in fact, terminating at the contiguous structural core, resembled a square 'donut', with the structural core, so to speak, being the 'donut' hole. Failure of floor structural support in any quadrant of the building plan, or even in any half, thus, would have failed ASSYMETRICALLY. And at the time of failure would not, could not, have 'pancaked' symmetrically as the misleading NIST and commission reports indicate (diagrams shown in these reports are graphically out of scale, and do not accurately represent the building's structure).
See Orignal Drawings:
Floor Plan, 35th to 40th Floors, http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid...A/A-A-58_0.png
Building Sections http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid.../A-A-177_0.png
How do I know this? What is my personal technical reference? From 1970 to 1972 I was a young design development draftsman for the firm of Minoru Yamasaki Associates, the design architectural firm for the WTC. I was part of the team that detailed the complex aluminum cladding fenestration details for similar building's 'skins' done at the same approximate time and also worked, in part, on detailing the WTC Executive Floor interior paneling and updating the WTC plans to reflect various 'as-built' construction changes. I was quite familiar with the structural system at work on the towers, both at a technical and intuitive level, based on project experience.
The towers could not possibly have collapsed as we have been told in the 'official' reports, one floor, coincident, on top of another, without powerful external forces at work--forces other than the plane crashes and the relatively low temperature jet fuel fires. That is, explosives. The WTC towers were intentionally demolished.
R H Nigl
rhnigl @exoptica.com
Google "R Henry Nigl"
good post dark-beaver the truth will out eventually
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July 18th, 2008, 07:59 PM
I'm just glad people like Dark Beaver do not count in life, there is a reason why God creats idiots.
I'm just glad people like Dark Beaver do not count in life, there is a reason why God creats idiots.
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July 18th, 2008, 08:04 PM
The truth! We can't handle the truth! Jack Nicholson is a fine actor. I rarely miss an oportunity to use the line. One of few movie lines I can remember, I think the yelling glued it to my memory and his face. I especially liked him in TheShinning. The maze scenes were superb. I think that I'm going to open a thread here sometime and I'll find myself dragging an axe through that maze looking for Oliveoil.
The truth! We can't handle the truth! Jack Nicholson is a fine actor. I rarely miss an oportunity to use the line. One of few movie lines I can remember, I think the yelling glued it to my memory and his face. I especially liked him in TheShinning. The maze scenes were superb. I think that I'm going to open a thread here sometime and I'll find myself dragging an axe through that maze looking for Oliveoil.
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July 18th, 2008, 08:09 PM
Quoting DurkaDurka
I'm alive Durka and I count to you.
I'm just glad people like Dark Beaver do not count in life, there is a reason why God creats idiots.
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July 19th, 2008, 05:11 AM
The common sense approach to why 9/11 was clearly an inside job
If terrorism was really a threat to the US, don't you think we would have had another attack since 9/11? It wouldn't even have to be more airplane attacks. It could be bombs blowing up buses, houses, trains, but no - it hasn't happened. That shows that there is ABSOLUTELY no homegrown terrorist threat to the US. If you have any common knowledge, you know that you can find most of the ingredients to make a bomb in your local Walmart (Fox has even done reports on it). There are NO terrorists in the US (except for the government, of course).
Posted Jul 18, 2008 12:23 PM PST
Category: 911
http://docs.google.com/View?docid=drkg9jg_14153xr6fcg2
The common sense approach to why 9/11 was clearly an inside job
If terrorism was really a threat to the US, don't you think we would have had another attack since 9/11? It wouldn't even have to be more airplane attacks. It could be bombs blowing up buses, houses, trains, but no - it hasn't happened. That shows that there is ABSOLUTELY no homegrown terrorist threat to the US. If you have any common knowledge, you know that you can find most of the ingredients to make a bomb in your local Walmart (Fox has even done reports on it). There are NO terrorists in the US (except for the government, of course).
Posted Jul 18, 2008 12:23 PM PST
Category: 911
http://docs.google.com/View?docid=drkg9jg_14153xr6fcg2
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July 24th, 2008, 04:35 AM
Navy Prosecutor In Guantanamo Case: 'If they hadn’t shot down the fourth plane it would’ve hit the dome'
'Though the trial the man, dubbed “Osama bin Laden’s driver”, is primarily functioning as a show piece for the Bush administration’s “war on terror”, some interesting information emerged from the Guantanamo Bay naval base yesterday in the form of a direct admission from a US prosecutor that the fourth plane was “shot down”. The revelation came during assertions from representatives for the prosecution that Salim Hamdan had detailed knowledge of the intended target of the fourth hijacked plane on 9/11.'
http://infowars.net/articles/july2008/230708shot.htm
'Though the trial the man, dubbed “Osama bin Laden’s driver”, is primarily functioning as a show piece for the Bush administration’s “war on terror”, some interesting information emerged from the Guantanamo Bay naval base yesterday in the form of a direct admission from a US prosecutor that the fourth plane was “shot down”. The revelation came during assertions from representatives for the prosecution that Salim Hamdan had detailed knowledge of the intended target of the fourth hijacked plane on 9/11.'
http://infowars.net/articles/july2008/230708shot.htm
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August 3rd, 2008, 10:08 AM
9/11... the Ship goes Down while The Band Plays on.
It's the most amazing thing about the 9/11 attacks. You've got hundreds of professionals in the sciences and engineering fields that are on record and supported by irrefutable evidence who say that 9/11 could not have happened the way they say it did. You have hundreds of professional pilots, military pilots and aviation experts who say that those accused of piloting the planes could not possibly have done so. You have former leaders from Japan and Germany as well as intelligence chiefs from Italy and other places who say that 9/11 was an Inside Job and that those who carried it out were members of the CIA, the Israeli Mossad and elements of British intelligence. We have all of this and more, much more and yet we hear nothing about it in the mass media except when the matter is ridiculed or debunked with the most ham-handed efforts. We have lying gatekeepers like Noam Chomsky saying it doesn't matter if the government, with the assistance of other governments, did 9/11. His arguments make no sense. Why would it not matter? Anyone who makes such an argument is without a doubt in the employ of those who carried out the attacks. Their arguments make no sense. One could say that it doesn't matter who made the attacks at Columbine. It doesn't matter who carried out the Oklahoma bombing. It doesn't matter why we invaded Iraq. It doesn't matter if we attack Iran. It doesn't matter if you obey the law or break the law. It doesn't matter if you lie or tell the truth. It doesn't matter how many people died for a lie. It doesn't matter if the Palestinians are exterminated. Apparently nothing matters except to the people that it happens to and they're gone and that doesn't matter either.
Posted Aug 3, 2008 06:55 AM PST
Category: 911
See The Secret Service at Booker Elementary: The Dog That Did Not Bark
http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/
9/11... the Ship goes Down while The Band Plays on.
It's the most amazing thing about the 9/11 attacks. You've got hundreds of professionals in the sciences and engineering fields that are on record and supported by irrefutable evidence who say that 9/11 could not have happened the way they say it did. You have hundreds of professional pilots, military pilots and aviation experts who say that those accused of piloting the planes could not possibly have done so. You have former leaders from Japan and Germany as well as intelligence chiefs from Italy and other places who say that 9/11 was an Inside Job and that those who carried it out were members of the CIA, the Israeli Mossad and elements of British intelligence. We have all of this and more, much more and yet we hear nothing about it in the mass media except when the matter is ridiculed or debunked with the most ham-handed efforts. We have lying gatekeepers like Noam Chomsky saying it doesn't matter if the government, with the assistance of other governments, did 9/11. His arguments make no sense. Why would it not matter? Anyone who makes such an argument is without a doubt in the employ of those who carried out the attacks. Their arguments make no sense. One could say that it doesn't matter who made the attacks at Columbine. It doesn't matter who carried out the Oklahoma bombing. It doesn't matter why we invaded Iraq. It doesn't matter if we attack Iran. It doesn't matter if you obey the law or break the law. It doesn't matter if you lie or tell the truth. It doesn't matter how many people died for a lie. It doesn't matter if the Palestinians are exterminated. Apparently nothing matters except to the people that it happens to and they're gone and that doesn't matter either.
Posted Aug 3, 2008 06:55 AM PST
Category: 911
See The Secret Service at Booker Elementary: The Dog That Did Not Bark
http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/
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August 24th, 2008, 10:07 AM
NIST WTC 7 Report: Shameful, Embarrassing And Completely Flawed
'NIST Claims “New Phenomenon” occurred for the first time ever in the collapse of World Trade center Building 7, yet fails to address why ground zero workers and media outlets had prior knowledge of an “extraordinary event” never before observed an hour in advance, plus myriad of other ignored issues.'
http://www.prisonplanet.com/nist-wtc...ly-flawed.html
Debunking NIST's Conclusions about WTC 7: Easy as Shooting Fish in a Barrel
http://www.prisonplanet.com/debunkin...-a-barrel.html
'NIST Claims “New Phenomenon” occurred for the first time ever in the collapse of World Trade center Building 7, yet fails to address why ground zero workers and media outlets had prior knowledge of an “extraordinary event” never before observed an hour in advance, plus myriad of other ignored issues.'
http://www.prisonplanet.com/nist-wtc...ly-flawed.html
Debunking NIST's Conclusions about WTC 7: Easy as Shooting Fish in a Barrel
http://www.prisonplanet.com/debunkin...-a-barrel.html
