Shut Up (about) Chavez

Toro
#31
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

The bottom line is that Venezuela will at least have a vote on political reform.

Contrast this with the terrorist actions taken by Bush ally fascist Musharraf who uses tanks and guns to kill and intimidate ''enemies'' who peacefully demanded reform.

That is quite a contrast. But note how the forum's right wingers attack Chavez but have nothing to say about the Pakistani fascist.

Pakistan is a basket case.

How come you don't have anything to say against Castro? Or North Korea?

Notice that no one is criticizing Correa, where Ecuador has oil, nor Ortega, nor any of the other Leftist Presidents in Latin America. Using gopherlogic, I guess that makes us all commies!
 
#juan
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#32
A Timeline of CIA Atrocities

By Steve Kangas




The following timeline describes just a few of the hundreds of atrocities and crimes committed by the CIA. (1)
CIA operations follow the same recurring script. First, American business interests abroad are threatened by a popular or democratically elected leader. The people support their leader because he intends to conduct land reform, strengthen unions, redistribute wealth, nationalize foreign-owned industry, and regulate business to protect workers, consumers and the environment. So, on behalf of American business, and often with their help, the CIA mobilizes the opposition. First it identifies right-wing groups within the country (usually the military), and offers them a deal: "We'll put you in power if you maintain a favorable business climate for us." The Agency then hires, trains and works with them to overthrow the existing government (usually a democracy). It uses every trick in the book: propaganda, stuffed ballot boxes, purchased elections, extortion, blackmail, sexual intrigue, false stories about opponents in the local media, infiltration and disruption of opposing political parties, kidnapping, beating, torture, intimidation, economic sabotage, death squads and even assassination. These efforts culminate in a military coup, which installs a right-wing dictator. The CIA trains the dictator’s security apparatus to crack down on the traditional enemies of big business, using interrogation, torture and murder. The victims are said to be "communists," but almost always they are just peasants, liberals, moderates, labor union leaders, political opponents and advocates of free speech and democracy. Widespread human rights abuses follow.
This scenario has been repeated so many times that the CIA actually teaches it in a special school, the notorious "School of the Americas." (It opened in Panama but later moved to Fort Benning, Georgia.) Critics have nicknamed it the "School of the Dictators" and "School of the Assassins." Here, the CIA trains Latin American military officers how to conduct coups, including the use of interrogation, torture and murder.
The Association for Responsible Dissent estimates that by 1987, 6 million people had died as a result of CIA covert operations. (2) Former State Department official William Blum correctly calls this an "American Holocaust."
The CIA justifies these actions as part of its war against communism. But most coups do not involve a communist threat. Unlucky nations are targeted for a wide variety of reasons: not only threats to American business interests abroad, but also liberal or even moderate social reforms, political instability, the unwillingness of a leader to carry out Washington’s dictates, and declarations of neutrality in the Cold War. Indeed, nothing has infuriated CIA Directors quite like a nation’s desire to stay out of the Cold War.
The ironic thing about all this intervention is that it frequently fails to achieve American objectives. Often the newly installed dictator grows comfortable with the security apparatus the CIA has built for him. He becomes an expert at running a police state. And because the dictator knows he cannot be overthrown, he becomes independent and defiant of Washington's will. The CIA then finds it cannot overthrow him, because the police and military are under the dictator's control, afraid to cooperate with American spies for fear of torture and execution. The only two options for the U.S at this point are impotence or war. Examples of this "boomerang effect" include the Shah of Iran, General Noriega and Saddam Hussein. The boomerang effect also explains why the CIA has proven highly successful at overthrowing democracies, but a wretched failure at overthrowing dictatorships.
The following timeline should confirm that the CIA as we know it should be abolished and replaced by a true information-gathering and analysis organization. The CIA cannot be reformed — it is institutionally and culturally corrupt.
1929
The culture we lost — Secretary of State Henry Stimson refuses to endorse a code-breaking operation, saying, "Gentlemen do not read each other’s mail."
1941
COI created — In preparation for World War II, President Roosevelt creates the Office of Coordinator of Information (COI). General William "Wild Bill" Donovan heads the new intelligence service.
1942
OSS created — Roosevelt restructures COI into something more suitable for covert action, the Office of Strategic Services (OSS). Donovan recruits so many of the nation’s rich and powerful that eventually people joke that "OSS" stands for "Oh, so social!" or "Oh, such snobs!"
1943
Italy — Donovan recruits the Catholic Church in Rome to be the center of Anglo-American spy operations in Fascist Italy. This would prove to be one of America’s most enduring intelligence alliances in the Cold War.
1945
OSS is abolished — The remaining American information agencies cease covert actions and return to harmless information gathering and analysis.
Operation PAPERCLIP – While other American agencies are hunting down Nazi war criminals for arrest, the U.S. intelligence community is smuggling them into America, unpunished, for their use against the Soviets. The most important of these is Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler’s master spy who had built up an intelligence network in the Soviet Union. With full U.S. blessing, he creates the "Gehlen Organization," a band of refugee Nazi spies who reactivate their networks in Russia. These include SS intelligence officers Alfred Six and Emil Augsburg (who massacred Jews in the Holocaust), Klaus Barbie (the "Butcher of Lyon"), Otto von Bolschwing (the Holocaust mastermind who worked with Eichmann) and SS Colonel Otto Skorzeny (a personal friend of Hitler’s). The Gehlen Organization supplies the U.S. with its only intelligence on the Soviet Union for the next ten years, serving as a bridge between the abolishment of the OSS and the creation of the CIA. However, much of the "intelligence" the former Nazis provide is bogus. Gehlen inflates Soviet military capabilities at a time when Russia is still rebuilding its devastated society, in order to inflate his own importance to the Americans (who might otherwise punish him). In 1948, Gehlen almost convinces the Americans that war is imminent, and the West should make a preemptive strike. In the 50s he produces a fictitious "missile gap." To make matters worse, the Russians have thoroughly penetrated the Gehlen Organization with double agents, undermining the very American security that Gehlen was supposed to protect.
1947
Greece — President Truman requests military aid to Greece to support right-wing forces fighting communist rebels. For the rest of the Cold War, Washington and the CIA will back notorious Greek leaders with deplorable human rights records.
CIA created — President Truman signs the National Security Act of 1947, creating the Central Intelligence Agency and National Security Council. The CIA is accountable to the president through the NSC — there is no democratic or congressional oversight. Its charter allows the CIA to "perform such other functions and duties… as the National Security Council may from time to time direct." This loophole opens the door to covert action and dirty tricks.
1948
Covert-action wing created — The CIA recreates a covert action wing, innocuously called the Office of Policy Coordination, led by Wall Street lawyer Frank Wisner. According to its secret charter, its responsibilities include "propaganda, economic warfare, preventive direct action, including sabotage, antisabotage, demolition and evacuation procedures; subversion against hostile states, including assistance to underground resistance groups, and support of indigenous anti-communist elements in threatened countries of the free world."
Italy — The CIA corrupts democratic elections in Italy, where Italian communists threaten to win the elections. The CIA buys votes, broadcasts propaganda, threatens and beats up opposition leaders, and infiltrates and disrupts their organizations. It works -- the communists are defeated.
1949
Radio Free Europe — The CIA creates its first major propaganda outlet, Radio Free Europe. Over the next several decades, its broadcasts are so blatantly false that for a time it is considered illegal to publish transcripts of them in the U.S.
Late 40s
Operation MOCKINGBIRD — The CIA begins recruiting American news organizations and journalists to become spies and disseminators of propaganda. The effort is headed by Frank Wisner, Allan Dulles, Richard Helms and Philip Graham. Graham is publisher of The Washington Post, which becomes a major CIA player. Eventually, the CIA’s media assets will include ABC, NBC, CBS, Time, Newsweek, Associated Press, United Press International, Reuters, Hearst Newspapers, Scripps-Howard, Copley News Service and more. By the CIA’s own admission, at least 25 organizations and 400 journalists will become CIA assets.
1953
Iran – CIA overthrows the democratically elected Mohammed Mossadegh in a military coup, after he threatened to nationalize British oil. The CIA replaces him with a dictator, the Shah of Iran, whose secret police, SAVAK, is as brutal as the Gestapo.
Operation MK-ULTRA — Inspired by North Korea’s brainwashing program, the CIA begins experiments on mind control. The most notorious part of this project involves giving LSD and other drugs to American subjects without their knowledge or against their will, causing several to commit suicide. However, the operation involves far more than this. Funded in part by the Rockefeller and Ford foundations, research includes propaganda, brainwashing, public relations, advertising, hypnosis, and other forms of suggestion.
1954
Guatemala — CIA overthrows the democratically elected Jacob Arbenz in a military coup. Arbenz has threatened to nationalize the Rockefeller-owned United Fruit Company, in which CIA Director Allen Dulles also owns stock. Arbenz is replaced with a series of right-wing dictators whose bloodthirsty policies will kill over 100,000 Guatemalans in the next 40 years.
1954-1958
North Vietnam — CIA officer Edward Lansdale spends four years trying to overthrow the communist government of North Vietnam, using all the usual dirty tricks. The CIA also attempts to legitimize a tyrannical puppet regime in South Vietnam, headed by Ngo Dinh Diem. These efforts fail to win the hearts and minds of the South Vietnamese because the Diem government is opposed to true democracy, land reform and poverty reduction measures. The CIA’s continuing failure results in escalating American intervention, culminating in the Vietnam War.
1956
Hungary — Radio Free Europe incites Hungary to revolt by broadcasting Khruschev’s Secret Speech, in which he denounced Stalin. It also hints that American aid will help the Hungarians fight. This aid fails to materialize as Hungarians launch a doomed armed revolt, which only invites a major Soviet invasion. The conflict kills 7,000 Soviets and 30,000 Hungarians.
1957-1973
Laos — The CIA carries out approximately one coup per year trying to nullify Laos’ democratic elections. The problem is the Pathet Lao, a leftist group with enough popular support to be a member of any coalition government. In the late 50s, the CIA even creates an "Armee Clandestine" of Asian mercenaries to attack the Pathet Lao. After the CIA’s army suffers numerous defeats, the U.S. starts bombing, dropping more bombs on Laos than all the U.S. bombs dropped in World War II. A quarter of all Laotians will eventually become refugees, many living in caves.
1959
Haiti — The U.S. military helps "Papa Doc" Duvalier become dictator of Haiti. He creates his own private police force, the "Tonton Macoutes," who terrorize the population with machetes. They will kill over 100,000 during the Duvalier family reign. The U.S. does not protest their dismal human rights record.
1961
The Bay of Pigs — The CIA sends 1,500 Cuban exiles to invade Castro’s Cuba. But "Operation Mongoose" fails, due to poor planning, security and backing. The planners had imagined that the invasion will spark a popular uprising against Castro -– which never happens. A promised American air strike also never occurs. This is the CIA’s first public setback, causing President Kennedy to fire CIA Director Allen Dulles.
Dominican Republic — The CIA assassinates Rafael Trujillo, a murderous dictator Washington has supported since 1930. Trujillo’s business interests have grown so large (about 60 percent of the economy) that they have begun competing with American business interests.
Ecuador — The CIA-backed military forces the democratically elected President Jose Velasco to resign. Vice President Carlos Arosemana replaces him; the CIA fills the now vacant vice presidency with its own man.
Congo (Zaire) — The CIA assassinates the democratically elected Patrice Lumumba. However, public support for Lumumba’s politics runs so high that the CIA cannot clearly install his opponents in power. Four years of political turmoil follow.
1963
Dominican Republic — The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Juan Bosch in a military coup. The CIA installs a repressive, right-wing junta.
Ecuador — A CIA-backed military coup overthrows President Arosemana, whose independent (not socialist) policies have become unacceptable to Washington. A military junta assumes command, cancels the 1964 elections, and begins abusing human rights.
1964
Brazil — A CIA-backed military coup overthrows the democratically elected government of Joao Goulart. The junta that replaces it will, in the next two decades, become one of the most bloodthirsty in history. General Castelo Branco will create Latin America’s first death squads, or bands of secret police who hunt down "communists" for torture, interrogation and murder. Often these "communists" are no more than Branco’s political opponents. Later it is revealed that the CIA trains the death squads.
1965
Indonesia — The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Sukarno with a military coup. The CIA has been trying to eliminate Sukarno since 1957, using everything from attempted assassination to sexual intrigue, for nothing more than his declaring neutrality in the Cold War. His successor, General Suharto, will massacre between 500,000 to 1 million civilians accused of being "communist." The CIA supplies the names of countless suspects.
Dominican Republic — A popular rebellion breaks out, promising to reinstall Juan Bosch as the country’s elected leader. The revolution is crushed when U.S. Marines land to uphold the military regime by force. The CIA directs everything behind the scenes.
Greece — With the CIA’s backing, the king removes George Papandreous as prime minister. Papandreous has failed to vigorously support U.S. interests in Greece.
Congo (Zaire) — A CIA-backed military coup installs Mobutu Sese Seko as dictator. The hated and repressive Mobutu exploits his desperately poor country for billions.
1966
The Ramparts Affair — The radical magazine Ramparts begins a series of unprecedented anti-CIA articles. Among their scoops: the CIA has paid the University of Michigan $25 million dollars to hire "professors" to train South Vietnamese students in covert police methods. MIT and other universities have received similar payments. Ramparts also reveals that the National Students’ Association is a CIA front. Students are sometimes recruited through blackmail and bribery, including draft deferments.
1967
Greece — A CIA-backed military coup overthrows the government two days before the elections. The favorite to win was George Papandreous, the liberal candidate. During the next six years, the "reign of the colonels" — backed by the CIA — will usher in the widespread use of torture and murder against political opponents. When a Greek ambassador objects to President Johnson about U.S. plans for Cypress, Johnson tells him: "**** your parliament and your constitution."
Operation PHEONIX — The CIA helps South Vietnamese agents identify and then murder alleged Viet Cong leaders operating in South Vietnamese villages. According to a 1971 congressional report, this operation killed about 20,000 "Viet Cong."
1968
Operation CHAOS — The CIA has been illegally spying on American citizens since 1959, but with Operation CHAOS, President Johnson dramatically boosts the effort. CIA agents go undercover as student radicals to spy on and disrupt campus organizations protesting the Vietnam War. They are searching for Russian instigators, which they never find. CHAOS will eventually spy on 7,000 individuals and 1,000 organizations.
Bolivia — A CIA-organized military operation captures legendary guerilla Che Guevara. The CIA wants to keep him alive for interrogation, but the Bolivian government executes him to prevent worldwide calls for clemency.
1969
Uruguay — The notorious CIA torturer Dan Mitrione arrives in Uruguay, a country torn with political strife. Whereas right-wing forces previously used torture only as a last resort, Mitrione convinces them to use it as a routine, widespread practice. "The precise pain, in the precise place, in the precise amount, for the desired effect," is his motto. The torture techniques he teaches to the death squads rival the Nazis’. He eventually becomes so feared that revolutionaries will kidnap and murder him a year later.
1970
Cambodia — The CIA overthrows Prince Sahounek, who is highly popular among Cambodians for keeping them out of the Vietnam War. He is replaced by CIA puppet Lon Nol, who immediately throws Cambodian troops into battle. This unpopular move strengthens once minor opposition parties like the Khmer Rouge, which achieves power in 1975 and massacres millions of its own people.
1971
Bolivia — After half a decade of CIA-inspired political turmoil, a CIA-backed military coup overthrows the leftist President Juan Torres. In the next two years, dictator Hugo Banzer will have over 2,000 political opponents arrested without trial, then tortured, raped and executed.
Haiti — "Papa Doc" Duvalier dies, leaving his 19-year old son "Baby Doc" Duvalier the dictator of Haiti. His son continues his bloody reign with full knowledge of the CIA.
1972
The Case-Zablocki Act — Congress passes an act requiring congressional review of executive agreements. In theory, this should make CIA operations more accountable. In fact, it is only marginally effective.
Cambodia — Congress votes to cut off CIA funds for its secret war in Cambodia.
Wagergate Break-in — President Nixon sends in a team of burglars to wiretap Democratic offices at Watergate. The team members have extensive CIA histories, including James McCord, E. Howard Hunt and five of the Cuban burglars. They work for the Committee to Reelect the President (CREEP), which does dirty work like disrupting Democratic campaigns and laundering Nixon’s illegal campaign contributions. CREEP’s activities are funded and organized by another CIA front, the Mullen Company.
1973
Chile — The CIA overthrows and assassinates Salvador Allende, Latin America’s first democratically elected socialist leader. The problems begin when Allende nationalizes American-owned firms in Chile. ITT offers the CIA $1 million for a coup (reportedly refused). The CIA replaces Allende with General Augusto Pinochet, who will torture and murder thousands of his own countrymen in a crackdown on labor leaders and the political left.
CIA begins internal investigations — William Colby, the Deputy Director for Operations, orders all CIA personnel to report any and all illegal activities they know about. This information is later reported to Congress.
Watergate Scandal — The CIA’s main collaborating newspaper in America, The Washington Post, reports Nixon’s crimes long before any other newspaper takes up the subject. The two reporters, Woodward and Bernstein, make almost no mention of the CIA’s many fingerprints all over the scandal. It is later revealed that Woodward was a Naval intelligence briefer to the White House, and knows many important intelligence figures, including General Alexander Haig. His main source, "Deep Throat," is probably one of those.
CIA Director Helms Fired — President Nixon fires CIA Director Richard Helms for failing to help cover up the Watergate scandal. Helms and Nixon have always disliked each other. The new CIA director is William Colby, who is relatively more open to CIA reform.
1974
CHAOS exposed — Pulitzer prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh publishes a story about Operation CHAOS, the domestic surveillance and infiltration of anti-war and civil rights groups in the U.S. The story sparks national outrage.
Angleton fired — Congress holds hearings on the illegal domestic spying efforts of James Jesus Angleton, the CIA’s chief of counterintelligence. His efforts included mail-opening campaigns and secret surveillance of war protesters. The hearings result in his dismissal from the CIA.
House clears CIA in Watergate — The House of Representatives clears the CIA of any complicity in Nixon’s Watergate break-in.
The Hughes Ryan Act — Congress passes an amendment requiring the president to report nonintelligence CIA operations to the relevant congressional committees in a timely fashion.
1975
Australia — The CIA helps topple the democratically elected, left-leaning government of Prime Minister Edward Whitlam. The CIA does this by giving an ultimatum to its Governor-General, John Kerr. Kerr, a longtime CIA collaborator, exercises his constitutional right to dissolve the Whitlam government. The Governor-General is a largely ceremonial position appointed by the Queen; the Prime Minister is democratically elected. The use of this archaic and never-used law stuns the nation.
Angola — Eager to demonstrate American military resolve after its defeat in Vietnam, Henry Kissinger launches a CIA-backed war in Angola. Contrary to Kissinger’s assertions, Angola is a country of little strategic importance and not seriously threatened by communism. The CIA backs the brutal leader of UNITAS, Jonas Savimbi. This polarizes Angolan politics and drives his opponents into the arms of Cuba and the Soviet Union for survival. Congress will cut off funds in 1976, but the CIA is able to run the war off the books until 1984, when funding is legalized again. This entirely pointless war kills over 300,000 Angolans.
"The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence" — Victor Marchetti and John Marks publish this whistle-blowing history of CIA crimes and abuses. Marchetti has spent 14 years in the CIA, eventually becoming an executive assistant to the Deputy Director of Intelligence. Marks has spent five years as an intelligence official in the State Department.
"Inside the Company" — Philip Agee publishes a diary of his life inside the CIA. Agee has worked in covert operations in Latin America during the 60s, and details the crimes in which he took part.
Congress investigates CIA wrong-doing — Public outrage compels Congress to hold hearings on CIA crimes. Senator Frank Church heads the Senate investigation ("The Church Committee"), and Representative Otis Pike heads the House investigation. (Despite a 98 percent incumbency reelection rate, both Church and Pike are defeated in the next elections.) The investigations lead to a number of reforms intended to increase the CIA’s accountability to Congress, including the creation of a standing Senate committee on intelligence. However, the reforms prove ineffective, as the Iran/Contra scandal will show. It turns out the CIA can control, deal with or sidestep Congress with ease.
The Rockefeller Commission — In an attempt to reduce the damage done by the Church Committee, President Ford creates the "Rockefeller Commission" to whitewash CIA history and propose toothless reforms. The commission’s namesake, Vice President Nelson Rockefeller, is himself a major CIA figure. Five of the commission’s eight members are also members of the Council on Foreign Relations, a CIA-dominated organization.
1979
Iran — The CIA fails to predict the fall of the Shah of Iran, a longtime CIA puppet, and the rise of Muslim fundamentalists who are furious at the CIA’s backing of SAVAK, the Shah’s bloodthirsty secret police. In revenge, the Muslims take 52 Americans hostage in the U.S. embassy in Tehran.
Afghanistan — The Soviets invade Afghanistan. The CIA immediately begins supplying arms to any faction willing to fight the occupying Soviets. Such indiscriminate arming means that when the Soviets leave Afghanistan, civil war will erupt. Also, fanatical Muslim extremists now possess state-of-the-art weaponry. One of these is Sheik Abdel Rahman, who will become involved in the World Trade Center bombing in New York.
El Salvador — An idealistic group of young military officers, repulsed by the massacre of the poor, overthrows the right-wing government. However, the U.S. compels the inexperienced officers to include many of the old guard in key positions in their new government. Soon, things are back to "normal" — the military government is repressing and killing poor civilian protesters. Many of the young military and civilian reformers, finding themselves powerless, resign in disgust.
Nicaragua — Anastasios Samoza II, the CIA-backed dictator, falls. The Marxist Sandinistas take over government, and they are initially popular because of their commitment to land and anti-poverty reform. Samoza had a murderous and hated personal army called the National Guard. Remnants of the Guard will become the Contras, who fight a CIA-backed guerilla war against the Sandinista government throughout the 1980s.
1980
El Salvador — The Archbishop of San Salvador, Oscar Romero, pleads with President Carter "Christian to Christian" to stop aiding the military government slaughtering his people. Carter refuses. Shortly afterwards, right-wing leader Roberto D’Aubuisson has Romero shot through the heart while saying Mass. The country soon dissolves into civil war, with the peasants in the hills fighting against the military government. The CIA and U.S. Armed Forces supply the government with overwhelming military and intelligence superiority. CIA-trained death squads roam the countryside, committing atrocities like that of El Mazote in 1982, where they massacre between 700 and 1000 men, women and children. By 1992, some 63,000 Salvadorans will be killed.
1981
Iran/Contra Begins — The CIA begins selling arms to Iran at high prices, using the profits to arm the Contras fighting the Sandinista government in Nicaragua. President Reagan vows that the Sandinistas will be "pressured" until "they say ‘uncle.’" The CIA’s Freedom Fighter’s Manual disbursed to the Contras includes instruction on economic sabotage, propaganda, extortion, bribery, blackmail, interrogation, torture, murder and political assassination.
1983
Honduras — The CIA gives Honduran military officers the Human Resource Exploitation Training Manual – 1983, which teaches how to torture people. Honduras’ notorious "Battalion 316" then uses these techniques, with the CIA’s full knowledge, on thousands of leftist dissidents. At least 184 are murdered.
1984
The Boland Amendment — The last of a series of Boland Amendments is passed. These amendments have reduced CIA aid to the Contras; the last one cuts it off completely. However, CIA Director William Casey is already prepared to "hand off" the operation to Colonel Oliver North, who illegally continues supplying the Contras through the CIA’s informal, secret, and self-financing network. This includes "humanitarian aid" donated by Adolph Coors and William Simon, and military aid funded by Iranian arms sales.
1986
Eugene Hasenfus — Nicaragua shoots down a C-123 transport plane carrying military supplies to the Contras. The lone survivor, Eugene Hasenfus, turns out to be a CIA employee, as are the two dead pilots. The airplane belongs to Southern Air Transport, a CIA front. The incident makes a mockery of President Reagan’s claims that the CIA is not illegally arming the Contras.
Iran/Contra Scandal — Although the details have long been known, the Iran/Contra scandal finally captures the media’s attention in 1986. Congress holds hearings, and several key figures (like Oliver North) lie under oath to protect the intelligence community. CIA Director William Casey dies of brain cancer before Congress can question him. All reforms enacted by Congress after the scandal are purely cosmetic.
Haiti — Rising popular revolt in Haiti means that "Baby Doc" Duvalier will remain "President for Life" only if he has a short one. The U.S., which hates instability in a puppet country, flies the despotic Duvalier to the South of France for a comfortable retirement. The CIA then rigs the upcoming elections in favor of another right-wing military strongman. However, violence keeps the country in political turmoil for another four years. The CIA tries to strengthen the military by creating the National Intelligence Service (SIN), which suppresses popular revolt through torture and assassination.
1989
Panama — The U.S. invades Panama to overthrow a dictator of its own making, General Manuel Noriega. Noriega has been on the CIA’s payroll since 1966, and has been transporting drugs with the CIA’s knowledge since 1972. By the late 80s, Noriega’s growing independence and intransigence have angered Washington… so out he goes.
1990
Haiti — Competing against 10 comparatively wealthy candidates, leftist priest Jean-Bertrand Aristide captures 68 percent of the vote. After only eight months in power, however, the CIA-backed military deposes him. More military dictators brutalize the country, as thousands of Haitian refugees escape the turmoil in barely seaworthy boats. As popular opinion calls for Aristide’s return, the CIA begins a disinformation campaign painting the courageous priest as mentally unstable.
1991
The Gulf War — The U.S. liberates Kuwait from Iraq. But Iraq’s dictator, Saddam Hussein, is another creature of the CIA. With U.S. encouragement, Hussein invaded Iran in 1980. During this costly eight-year war, the CIA built up Hussein’s forces with sophisticated arms, intelligence, training and financial backing. This cemented Hussein’s power at home, allowing him to crush the many internal rebellions that erupted from time to time, sometimes with poison gas. It also gave him all the military might he needed to conduct further adventurism — in Kuwait, for example.
The Fall of the Soviet Union — The CIA fails to predict this most important event of the Cold War. This suggests that it has been so busy undermining governments that it hasn’t been doing its primary job: gathering and analyzing information. The fall of the Soviet Union also robs the CIA of its reason for existence: fighting communism. This leads some to accuse the CIA of intentionally failing to predict the downfall of the Soviet Union. Curiously, the intelligence community’s budget is not significantly reduced after the demise of communism.
1992
Economic Espionage — In the years following the end of the Cold War, the CIA is increasingly used for economic espionage. This involves stealing the technological secrets of competing foreign companies and giving them to American ones. Given the CIA’s clear preference for dirty tricks over mere information gathering, the possibility of serious criminal behavior is very great indeed.
1993
Haiti — The chaos in Haiti grows so bad that President Clinton has no choice but to remove the Haitian military dictator, Raoul Cedras, on threat of U.S. invasion. The U.S. occupiers do not arrest Haiti’s military leaders for crimes against humanity, but instead ensure their safety and rich retirements. Aristide is returned to power only after being forced to accept an agenda favorable to the country’s ruling class.
 
Zzarchov
#33
Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

Colpy
The Gangs of "thugs" I saw were all in police uniforms. You failed to mention that "shooting up the protest marchers" meant shooting them with water cannons and rubber bullets........hell we have done that in Canada.........I'm not trying to justify, it but the situation is not as terrible as the spin you're putting on it.
independent polls still put Chevez in a big lead over his closest opponent.


Thats because it didn't involve rubber bullets and hoses, it involved live ammunition and a bunch of dead protestors.

Its one of the reasons the 2002 coup had initial backing from the police and military, when the assembly and court were dissolved, they then lost the support.

The coup suceeded because Chavez was a monster and the people knew it, it failed when the people who were replacing him showed themselves to also be bad news.
 
EagleSmack
#34
Leave it to Juan...


When in doubt... COPY AND PASTE CIA STUFF!
 
#juan
No Party Affiliation
#35
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Leave it to Juan...


When in doubt... COPY AND PASTE CIA STUFF!

It's your government Eaglesmack........You explain it. Are you saying it is all lies?
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
+1
#36
``How are you different from the Bush supporters who blindly follow their man no matter how egregious the action?``


You are the self confessed member of the Illuminatti who supports Bush and
you're asking me?


LOL! Now I've seen everything!!
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#37
I think not Chavez is my hero, he is proving to the world, once again, that socialism is contrary to human nature. But it will fall on leftist deaf ears. Hell the leftists today claim communism was just a "scare". It never happened.

Hi ITN, nice to see from you again I hope your feeling fine and all that.
 
Toro
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

``How are you different from the Bush supporters who blindly follow their man no matter how egregious the action?``


You are the self confessed member of the Illuminatti who supports Bush and
you're asking me?


LOL! Now I've seen everything!!

You're right about the first part and wrong about the second.

Besides, being a part of the Illuminati has its very large benefits!
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
+1
#39
GREATEST book ever written about the Illuminati:






Fantastic writing!
 
normbc9
Conservative
#40
I see Chavez as a patriot who isn't stuffing his pockets and he isn't shy about expressing his feelings either. I think his people have for the most part backed him and he is who they determined at the ballot box to be their leader. Like him or not, he is their leader and their problem. Not ours. Every time I hear his name mentioned in the media I hear a tone of disapproval in the tone of the speaker. Chavez isn't my leader, he isn't my problem and he is trying to do something positive for his people. What is wrong with that? His business eithics are cleaner than the US industrial machine and he has his own opinions on what the World Trade Organization sets as a standard. He thinks outside the box and he appears to be determined to put a halt to the exploitation of his country's natural resources to benefit non-citizens. I like his style. He may be a maverick so far as the White House is concerned but my feelings about the White House and its track record are far lower than the feelings I have for Venezuela.
Last edited by normbc9; Nov 27th, 2007 at 10:32 PM..Reason: Incorrect spelling
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#41
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

GREATEST book ever written about the Illuminati:






Fantastic writing!

Hey gopher that is one of the hardests things I ever read half of. The language is painfull. The material is spiffy though.
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
+1
#42
It is one awesome book and opens your eyes to some of the more sinister aspects of history that are not discussed in school or in media:

www.bilderberg.org/lucis.htm (external - login to view)

Here it is reproduced in full.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#43
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

It is one awesome book and opens your eyes to some of the more sinister aspects of history that are not discussed in school or in media:

www.bilderberg.org/lucis.htm (external - login to view)

Here it is reproduced in full.

It needs to be edited into modern english.
 
Toro
#44
Don't forget the Protocols of the Elder Zion!
 
Zzarchov
#45
I honestly cannot grasp why "lefties" support Chavez, if anything you should be condemning him for giving the socialist concept (which is a valid and workable economic system, its what all nations in the world use to some degree, cost-benefit analysis for social programs).

He is a right wing dictator. He breaks up large estates not to help the poor, but to break down anyone who might have enough resources to stop him. He still lives in a mansion while people starve. When the coup occurred his prime concern wasn't his nation, it was his own skin and making a deal to flee to Cuba.

He is lining his own pockets with the wealth of the nation. Sure, technically "the state" (a legal fiction) is just stockpiling the wealth. But with him having absolute control over "the state", its his own personal pocketbook.

He isn't socialist, last I checked "Free bullets fired into crowd" wasn't a service anyone would vote for.
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
#46
Bump

Filling one's own pockets while ranting about helping the country is an ooooooooooooolllllllllllld game. The guy's a greedy tyrant, nothing more.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#47
Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

Bump

Filling one's own pockets while ranting about helping the country is an ooooooooooooolllllllllllld game. The guy's a greedy tyrant, nothing more.

Nice to see you back Mr L (LOVELY) Glibert. And as a gift I will let this stupid unfounded undocumented unproovable unrealistic and underhanded statement pass with no comment.
 
EagleSmack
#48
Quote: Originally Posted by ZzarchovView Post

I honestly cannot grasp why "lefties" support Chavez, if anything you should be condemning him for giving the socialist concept (which is a valid and workable economic system, its what all nations in the world use to some degree, cost-benefit analysis for social programs).

He is a right wing dictator. He breaks up large estates not to help the poor, but to break down anyone who might have enough resources to stop him. He still lives in a mansion while people starve. When the coup occurred his prime concern wasn't his nation, it was his own skin and making a deal to flee to Cuba.

He is lining his own pockets with the wealth of the nation. Sure, technically "the state" (a legal fiction) is just stockpiling the wealth. But with him having absolute control over "the state", its his own personal pocketbook.

He isn't socialist, last I checked "Free bullets fired into crowd" wasn't a service anyone would vote for.

They support him because he is anti-American and that is all they need. It does not matter if he is setting up a dictatorship as long as he rants about sulfur the devil and the downfall of the US the lefties will follow. Anyone who doesn't will be destroyed.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#49
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

They support him because he is anti-American and that is all they need. It does not matter if he is setting up a dictatorship as long as he rants about sulfur the devil and the downfall of the US the lefties will follow. Anyone who doesn't will be destroyed.

You're very funny Smack considering that you're living in a dictatorship but don't seem to get it.
 
EagleSmack
#50
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

You're very funny Smack considering that you're living in a dictatorship but don't seem to get it.

You're very funny because you don't know the definition of a dicatorship. Whether you like him or not he was elected. Chavez was too...but he is building a dictatorship. Term limits will be gone so he can be elected for life if possible. If not he has shown that he will minimize the voice of opposition by destroying lives, supressing the media, etc.

Please answer one question... will Bush be out of office Jan 2009?
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

You're very funny because you don't know the definition of a dicatorship. Whether you like him or not he was elected. Chavez was too...but he is building a dictatorship. Term limits will be gone so he can be elected for life if possible. If not he has shown that he will minimize the voice of opposition by destroying lives, supressing the media, etc.

Please answer one question... will Bush be out of office Jan 2009?

A.: it is a fact that both of the last presidential elections were bogus see diebolt fraud
B: he was not elected.......... he stole the office each time, Hamas was elected Bush bought and conned his way in
C: you must be a fortune teller to descern a coming dictatorship........ and what bussiness is it of yours anyway it's not part of the USA
D: if you would check recent legislation enacted in your country you will see that Mr Bush does not have to leave office while a state of war exists
D1: what difference will the election make anyway you've only got one party
E: suppression of and control of the media is a problem your country and mine already have

I'm beginning to believe that I'm more aware of your country than you are Smack.
best regards, how was your turkey festival?
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#52
Gotta love the brainwashed: A social program = hardcore communist. An official story spouted by the government = the Bible. No wonder psychiatrists and lawyers are self-replicating species'....

Woof!
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
+1
#53
``They support him because he is anti-American and that is all they need.``


Another laughable right wing propaganda gem!!

Now, had he been a fascist like Suharto (Indonesia), Mobutu (Congo), Pinochet (Chile), Rios-Montt (El Salvador), Shah Pahlevi (Iran), Marcos (Philippines), etc, and killed multiples of millions of innocents, he would have been perfectly all right with the radical right wingers.

What a joke!!!
 
Zzarchov
#54
To be fair, he's proven himself right with some of the posts here.

they boil down to this

A.) Chavez is not a dictator, he's doing what Bush does in America
AND
B.) Bush is a turning America into a dictatorship and is a dictator.


Therefore, by your own logic, He is still an Evil dictator. Whether or not Bush is bad is totally irrelevant to whether or not Chavez is bad.

If Bush is Hitler as people like to photoshop, then merely opposing him does not make you good. It would make Chavez take the role of Stalin (another mass murderer).


So that would seem to be crux of your argument. The best case you can make is that Chavez should still be tried and hung, (but get bush while you are at it).

It still makes no sense to pretend Chavez is good.
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
+1
#55
`` It still makes no sense to pretend Chavez is good.``


Venezuela is a democracy and the people call the shots unlike Pakistan.

If the people vote for or against the reforms next week, that's their business. Not Bush's or anyone else's in the USA.
 
Zzarchov
#56
Well, The people call the shots in the USA too wouldn't you say?

So, If you are going to say Venezuala is Aok because the guy in now was elected ,

Then I want you to say "Bush is A ok"

Oh sure you can claim Diebold errors, but that far less intrusive than actually shooting people who arent' going to vote for you in the street.

I mean, Bush didn't send people to the Democratic HQ with assault rifles and open up.


So, if Chavez is ok because he's in a democracy, even if he didn't really win since he terrorised the opposition by you know, killing them.

I want you to say "Bush is great" because he too is in a democracy.
 
Toro
#57
And Bush once had a 91% approval rating.

Of course, its been all downhill since.
 
Toro
#58
Quote: Originally Posted by ZzarchovView Post

I mean, Bush didn't send people to the Democratic HQ with assault rifles and open up.

Actually, if you read globalresearch.ca, I'm sure that was the plan!

 
EagleSmack
#59
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

A.: it is a fact that both of the last presidential elections were bogus see diebolt fraud
B: he was not elected.......... he stole the office each time, Hamas was elected Bush bought and conned his way in
C: you must be a fortune teller to descern a coming dictatorship........ and what bussiness is it of yours anyway it's not part of the USA
D: if you would check recent legislation enacted in your country you will see that Mr Bush does not have to leave office while a state of war exists
D1: what difference will the election make anyway you've only got one party
E: suppression of and control of the media is a problem your country and mine already have

I'm beginning to believe that I'm more aware of your country than you are Smack.
best regards, how was your turkey festival?

WOW! Now this is a paranoid post for sure!

Bush was elected twice, it is only the people who hate him that say he isn't. The far wing of the left that can't stand him do this to make themselves feel good about themselves in their small pools.

What business is it mine? Well this is a forum right? I suppose you only want people who agree with your twisted views to respond. As far as I know there aren't many people from Venezuela posting here. So if it's not my business why are you here? Lead by example.

Bush...dictator. They are already having presidential debates and the election process is well underway. Nice try. Chavez is removing that process by throwing scraps at the poor. He IS removing any barrier that will ever remove him from office. Hand picking legislators, judges, shooting innocent people. Nice try.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#60
Goodmorning Toro, I trust you've had a good breakfast between the 4th and 5th holes, I hope the rest of the day is nice to you, handsome is it's own reward though so I can't think your day will be anything other than spectacular. Tell me a story about sunshine, what does it feel like on your skin, it's minus nine C here and I'm loath to venture out.
 

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