Chavez GET SOME!

EagleSmack

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8 Injured After Anti-Hugo Chavez March

By SANDRA SIERRA
[SIZE=-2]Associated Press Writer[/SIZE]

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -

1108dvs-venezuela-protests Gunmen opened fire on students returning from a march Wednesday in which 80,000 people denounced President Hugo Chavez's attempts to expand his power. At least eight people were injured, including one by gunfire, officials said.
Photographers for The Associated Press saw at least four gunmen - their faces covered by ski masks or T-shirts - firing handguns at the anti-Chavez crowd. Terrified students ran through the campus as ambulances arrived.
National Guard troops gathered outside the Central University of Venezuela, the nation's largest and a center for opposition to Chavez's government. Venezuelan law bars state security forces from entering the campus, but Luis Acuna, the minister of higher education, said they could be called in if the university requests them.
Antonio Rivero, director of Venezuela's Civil Defense agency, told Union Radio that at least eight people were injured, including one by gunfire, and that no one had been killed. Earlier, Rivero said he had been informed that one person had died in the violence.
The violence broke out after anti-Chavez demonstrators - led by university students - marched peacefully to the Supreme Court to protest constitutional changes that Venezuelans will consider in a December referendum.
Globovision television broadcast a video of armed men riding motorcycles arriving at the university, where they entered the building in which several of the gunmen were located. The pistol-toting men stood at the doorway - one of them firing a handgun in the air - as people fled the building.
State TV showed footage of angry anti-Chavez students - many of them with their faces covered by T-shirts - setting fire to benches and throwing rocks at the building where the gunmen were hiding before the armed men on motorcycles arrived.
Justice Minister Pedro Carreno blamed students, university authorities, opposition parties and the media for the violence.
"We want to urge the media to reflect, to stop broadcasting biased news through media manipulation, filling a part of the population with hate," Carreno said in a televised address.
He did not provide details about the number of injured or if any suspects were arrested.
University students also staged demonstrations in the cities of Merida, Maracaibo, Puerto La Cruz, San Cristobal and Barquisimeto on Wednesday. Several of those protests turned violent with rock-throwing students clashing with police shooting plastic bullets at demonstrators.
The amendments being protested would abolish presidential term limits, give the president control over the Central Bank and let him create new provinces governed by handpicked officials.
The protesters demand the referendum be suspended, saying the amendments would weaken civil liberties and give Chavez unprecedented power to declare states of emergency.
"Don't allow Venezuela to go down a path that nobody wants to cross," student leader Freddy Guevara told Globovision during the march to the Supreme Court.
Chavez, who was first elected in 1998, denies the reforms threaten freedom. He says they would instead move Venezuela toward what he calls "21st century socialism."
In televised comments prior to the unrest, Chavez urged Venezuelans to turn out en masse to vote for the reforms. In reference to the opposition, he said: "Don't go crazy." The Supreme Court is unlikely to act on the students' demands, given that pro-Chavez lawmakers appointed all 32 of its justices.


YAHOOO! GO CHAVEZ! OUR HERO!
 

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I have in-laws in Venezuela and believe me, this is the tip of the iceberg as to what goes on there.

Police are corrupt. It is common for police to accost people at night asking "give me 100,000 reasons why I shouldn't arrest you". Meaning of course 100,000 Bolivar, or about a thousand dollars bribe. The police don't make much money, and the powers that be would rather turn a blind eye to bribes than pay them a proper wage.

On her last trip there my wife and her brother had such an episode, and it was fortunate she was able to convince them she was Canadian (her passport was in her suitcase) after spending hours in a Guantanamo-style outdoor cell. She almost missed her flight home.

Chavez uses cheap handouts to the poor to buy their votes in his referendums. Do the math, there are more poor votes than educated ones in the country...easier than making meaningful change and creating real jobs.

This is going to get far worse before it gets better.

Muz
 

thomaska

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Yes the fact he was elected makes it "okay".

This is the classic 3rd grade "Well, little Bobby did ____" defense. Works everytime.
 

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Oh, I see. we should invade Venezuela to promote more democracy there and sit by as Musharraf drops bombs all over tribal areas in Pakistan.

Yeah, that's a brilliant move. Very Republicscam. Woops, Republican indeed. ;-)
 

Impetus

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Oh, I see. we should invade Venezuela to promote more democracy there and sit by as Musharraf drops bombs all over tribal areas in Pakistan.

Yeah, that's a brilliant move. Very Republicscam. Woops, Republican indeed. ;-)

Who said anything about invading? I'm just happy to hear someone THERE is doing something about it.

Muz
 

Impetus

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I bet if those protesters were from Iraq they would be called terrorists.

The analogy is poor. They would be more likely considered "friendlies" by the US, not terrorists.

Besides, the protest was peaceful until the pro-Chavez gunmen entered the scene shooting because the National Guard isn't allowed on campus unless called by the University.

Muz
 

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It is called desperation. Chavez is the Liberal's poster boy and can do no wrong. So when his goons fire upon student protestors it is A-OK because he hates Bush just like the liberals do. You've got to love the liberal reaction to immediately bring up Bush when Chavez henchmen start weilding their clubs... or in this case...guns.
 
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lone wolf

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Still living that "fer-us-er-agin-us" crap huh? If only the world WAS strictly black-and-white. A lot of things go on behind the scenes that you don't see - whether it be by your will or theirs. Once your mind is made up, no amount of fact is going to sway it.

Insert some INDEPENDENT observers and we may learn the truth.

Woof!
 

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You got to love the Imperialist reaction to everybodyelse when American war crimes come up, and they do everyday, they drag socialism through the mud, like anybody listens to retarded Imperialists anymore anyway. How's Americha going to save us from the commies now that the Capitalists Hordes have destroyed Dha Ununited Sad State of Amerikha.
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EagleSmack

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Still living that "fer-us-er-agin-us" crap huh? If only the world WAS strictly black-and-white. A lot of things go on behind the scenes that you don't see - whether it be by your will or theirs. Once your mind is made up, no amount of fact is going to sway it.

Insert some INDEPENDENT observers and we may learn the truth.

Woof!

Nope...not at all. This has nothing to do with the "with us or against us". This thread is about the liberal poster boy having his goons blast away at the opposition.

So basically what you are saying is that you do not believe 8 students were wounded during an anti-Chavez rally? No one was shot? No one did any shooting?

Talk about sticking your head in the sand.
 

lone wolf

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Nope...not at all. This has nothing to do with the "with us or against us". This thread is about the liberal poster boy having his goons blast away at the opposition.

So basically what you are saying is that you do not believe 8 students were wounded during an anti-Chavez rally? No one was shot? No one did any shooting?

Talk about sticking your head in the sand.

Basically, what I am saying is No I do NOT believe 8 students were wounded. I believe you are sensationalizing on a statement that said:
At least eight people were injured, including one by gunfire, officials said.
and for the rest you're interpreting.

Talk about imagination.

Woof!
 

EagleSmack

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Basically, what I am saying is No I do NOT believe 8 students were wounded. I believe you are sensationalizing on a statement that said: and for the rest you're interpreting.

Talk about imagination.

Woof!

AT LEAST... AT LEAST

Wounded...Injured...semantics. They weren't "injured" by daisies.

Rata-tat-tat... 21 Century Socialism on the march!

"Don't go crazy" I LOVE it. I am taking away all of your rights so when the country does finally wake up you will realize you have no recourse... but "Don't go crazy."

GO CHAVEZ GO!
 

lone wolf

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Paranoia will destroy ya....

Muz reports it's only the tip of the iceberg. Chavez is too good to be true for a lot of reasons - but you can't just invade based on sensationalism or because their ideology isn't the same as yours. From unbiassed observation comes truth.

Woof!
 
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I believe Chavez has the potential to be a dangerous dictator. But i can identify very specifically the roots of his ascent. It's laid out very comprehensively by Naomi Klein in her book the Shock Doctrine.. about the imposition of 'Chicago School' (Friedman/Hayek) Free Market, Free Trade, Monetarist doctrine that was imposed at the point of the bayonet on countries like Chile under Pinochet and Argentina.. and world wide. It caused utter misery and economic chaos, rampant looting of natural resources, usery and labour exploitation.

Much of Chavez' initial policies.. like nationalizing natural resources, natural monopolies (utilities, communications, transportation).. fiduciary responsbility of currency and credit.. is constructive and falls into the developmental policies that built the West. I'm just not sure he knows where to stop. He seems destined to move from the ''third way'.. into purer forms of socialism.. which will be as disastrous as ungoverned capitalism. The U.S. imposed the Chicago policies on Latin America.. with no care for who it hurt, and at best lip service to democracy and an equitable distribution of wealth.. and now its facing a major blowback for the bankruptcy of those policies.