EU wants to get rid of Queen from passports

Blackleaf

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EU wants to get rid of the Queen from our passports

By MATTHEW HICKLEY
10th September 2007
Daily Mail


Mention of the Queen could be removed from British passports and replaced by a page explaining why all EU citizens are entitled to use our embassies abroad, it emerged yesterday.

Current UK passports contain a traditional message from the British sovereign - "Her Britannic Majesty" - printed inside the front cover requesting 'assistance and protection' for the holder anywhere in the world 'in the Name of Her Majesty'.

But the time-honoured passage could be dropped as a result of the new European Treaty - which critics claim is simply a repackaged version of the discredited EU Constitution.

A new message would set out rules under which any EU citizen who gets into trouble in a country where their own state has no representative can go to the British embassy and demand help.

On the left is the glorious, traditional design in the current British passport, with the national crest. On the right is the more mundane EU style, with the national crest replaced with the EU flag.



The proposals attracted fierce criticism yesterday, with opposition critics claiming there was no good reason to ditch the traditional wording and warning that the plans highlighted the importance of giving British voters a say in a referendum on the Treaty - which Gordon Brown is refusing to allow.

Brussels forced Britain to change its passports 20 years ago when the popular 'Old Blue' hardback documents were abandoned in favour of a smaller, flimsier, standardised burgundy design.

But the passage of text - which originated more than three centuries ago when the monarch stopped signing every passport in person - survived that change, as well as the subsequent addition of security features.

Newly-issued UK passports still contain the impressive words: 'Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State Requests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance, and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary.'

As part of moves to implement a new EU Treaty, commissioners in Brussels now want to include the rules on consular representation for EU citizens. This dry, bureaucratic prose states that: 'Every citizen of the Union shall, in the territory of a third country in which the members of state of which he is a national is not represented, be entitled to protection by the diplomatic or consular authorities of any member state, on the same conditions as the nationals of that state.'

Britain has made no objection to including the passage in new passports, and stated in an official submission to Brussels: 'We agree that printing Article 20 in future designs of passports may prove to be an effective means of disseminating information to EU citizens.'

A Foreign Office spokesman said the change was 'still under consideration', and it had not yet been decided whether the new text would be an addition, or whether it would replace the message from the Sovereign.

The Home Office insisted there were 'currently no plans' to revamp the documents.

Shadow Foreign Secretary William Hague said: 'People want to be proud to be British and their passports should have a clear association with that. There is no good reason to change the traditional presentation of our passports. 'This is yet another illustration of how the British people must be given their say in a referendum before any new powers are signed over to the EU under a proposed new treaty.'

Citizens of other EU member states have had the right to demand help from British diplomats abroad since 2001, if their own country has no embassy or representative locally.

But with the EU expanding greatly since then, the deal has given rise to fears that UK consular staff will be swamped by requests for support.

Britain has one of the largest networks of foreign embassies and high commissions of any EU state, far larger than countries such as Estonia, Latvia, Romania or Bulgaria.

Anyone from such countries who lost a passport or was arrested by local police would be just as entitled to help from British officials as UK citizens.




By royal command since the year 1414

By JANE FRYER

The British passport has had a long and proud history and a good many revamps - but there has been one constant. For 600 years it has been inextricably linked to our monarch.

Introduced in 1414, and mentioned by Henry V in his speech on the eve of Agincourt (according to Shakespeare), a passport or 'Safe Conduct' started out as just a note issued to someone travelling on the king's business.

Written in Latin or English and personally signed by the monarch, it asked that the holder be allowed to travel freely, and specified the destination, time and purpose of his journey.

There were, of course, earlier passports. The first known reference is found in the Bible's Book of Nehemiah, when an official serving a Persian king asks to travel to Judah. The king agrees and gives him a letter demanding he is granted safe passage.

The term passport probably originates from medieval documents which were sometimes required to pass through the gates - 'porte' in Latin - of ancient walled cities. In medieval times, such documents could be issued by local authorities.

The oldest surviving British passport --signed by King Charles I - was issued on June 18, 1641. The latest record of a monarch signing was in 1778, by George III for Sir John Stepney who from 1775 to 1782 was on a diplomatic mission to Dresden.

Like all British passports issued between 1772 and 1858, it was written in French - the official language of diplomacy. From 1794 the system changed so that passports were granted by the Secretary of State and centrally registered.

The First World War was the catalyst for a shake-up. Nation states issued passports to distinguish their own citizens from foreign nationals. At the outbreak of war, they were printed on paper, with a gluedon photo of the holder and cost 6d but they changed again when the British Nationality and Status of Aliens Act 1914 came into force in 1915.

This determined in law that all persons born in the United Kingdom and Crown's dominions would hold the status of British subject and was the first modern British passport - a one-page document folded into eight, with a cardboard cover and a detailed personal description.

Again the design was short-lived. A League of Nations conference in 1920 agreed to a book-format passport for member states, each to be issued in two languages - their own and French. Thus 'Old Blue', the passport sporting the Royal Coat of Arms, traditional wording and issued at the discretion of the government under the Royal Prerogative, was born. Over the next 68 years, other than the removal of the name of the Secretary of State from the text of the first page in 1954, and small security-related changes, very little changed. But in 1988 Old Blue was replaced by today's shrunken burgundy booklet with European Union on the cover.

Initially it was desperately unpopular but, despite cosmetic changes, its essential Britishness - the Royal Coat of Arms in gold on the front and the traditional wording on the first page - remained. It was still a UK passport, not an EU one - a fact very dear to our hearts.

Which is why, when the Royal Coat of Arms came under threat in 2000 - EU commissioner Antonio Vitorino wanted to replace it with the 12 yellow stars of the EU - there was such an uproar that the proposals were hurriedly shelved.
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READERS' COMMENTS

I thought we fought two wars to preserve our rights and customs and not to be told what to do by lout politicians on mainland Europe?

- Terence, Hereford, UK
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No - never! We are British first and foremost. European never! We are subjects of our Queen not some EU president. This must NOT happen. I want out of the EU now it is not working for the British people. Trade only agreement and our leaders elected by us to make and pass policy without meddling from the dammed EU joke! Do these dolts ever listen to the people! We don't want this EU integration.

- Carl Thomson, Stoke on Trent UK
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Leave our country's Queen heritage/culture intact - BACK OFF EU!

- Jennifer Anderson, Andover
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This must not happen and we should all fight this proposal and retain our right to have a UK passport. It's bad enough having the have the EU stars on all our new vehicle number plates - many owners have put a sticker showing an English, Scottish, Welsh or the Union flag over the EU symbol, and good for them!

- British Citizen, Bristol
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I have just become a naturalised British Citizen and was very impressed with the words printed in my new passport - I am all for Europe being united and all that, however they should stick to doing something useful rather than destroying good centuries old customers of member countries. It is more than sufficient to have "European Union" words on the passport as they currently present. All such ideas just give bad taste to idea of European Unity - unity should be in what is common, not forcing views on member countries.

- Alexc, West Midlands
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This is further dilution of our identity from a treaty that was supposed to be subject of a national referendum, I suppose in the future we will be referred to as Earthlings by a world government, but in the meantime I like being considered British and governed (democratically) here in England.

- Geoff Benmax, London
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Lets purge the EU from the UK PERMANENTLY along with all the traitors who support it.

- Bev, Gillingham Dorset UK
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Hands off the Queens message in our passports, the Queen is our head of state not the EU, long live the Queen.

- John Hughes, Peterborough, England


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Logic 7

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EU wants to get rid of the Queen from our passports

By MATTHEW HICKLEY
10th September 2007
Daily Mail


Mention of the Queen could be removed from British passports and replaced by a page explaining why all EU citizens are entitled to use our embassies abroad, it emerged yesterday.

Current UK passports contain a traditional message from the British sovereign - "Her Britannic Majesty" - printed inside the front cover requesting 'assistance and protection' for the holder anywhere in the world 'in the Name of Her Majesty'.



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Your monarchy just s..u.cks, period.
 

cortex

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We shant expect the LITTLE royalists to completely understand the HIGHER values of that most marvellous institution --the European Union. I do believe however that they WILL if given carefull and considerate assistance from their more advanced (I dare say FAR advanced) continental neighbours they SHALL eventually see the proverbial light. All we should do for the moment is to ruefully observe their tiresome tantrums, perhaps allowing ourselves a somewhat patronizing chuckle at their expense (no harm done) --observing all the while that their fate as third rate member of that most glorious union has in fact ALREADY been sealed--with or without any stodgy representations of their perfidiously malodourous monarchy on those most precious documents that after all allow them to ESCAPE that sad little island.

Ahem.
 

hermanntrude

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We shant expect the LITTLE royalists to completely understand the HIGHER values of that most marvellous institution --the European Union. I do believe however that they WILL if given carefull and considerate assistance from their more advanced (I dare say FAR advanced) continental neighbours they SHALL eventually see the proverbial light. All we should do for the moment is to ruefully observe their tiresome tantrums, perhaps allowing ourselves a somewhat patronizing chuckle at their expense (no harm done) --observing all the while that their fate as third rate member of that most glorious union has in fact ALREADY been sealed--with or without any stodgy representations of their perfidiously malodourous monarchy on those most precious documents that after all allow them to ESCAPE that sad little island.

Ahem.

wow. And you think the royal family is pompous
 

Cosmo

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Seems to me the monarchy is on its way out, eh? Nobody wants them anymore, their status has declined to the point of the whole thing being an absurdity, the Queen is nothing more than a figurehead. It's kinda sad, in some ways. Having a Queen was a big deal when I was a kid. I recall her coming to B.C., our school going out to meet her, I have Polaroids of the big event. Of course we're talking mid-60s here, and the times have changed.

Eaglesmack ... this affects us quite a bit, actually. It is another indication that the monarchy's esteem is changing all over the world. A new era is being ushered in and I find that highly interesting.

BTW ... Love all the interesting stuff ya find, Blackleaf! Saves me having to slog through the news to get the interesting bits! ;)
 

FiveParadox

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Blackleaf, let it be known that there is a Canadian here who wholeheartedly opposes such efforts to compromise our sovereign and inalienable relationships to The Crown as subjects of Her Majesty The Queen. I don’t have a passport (I’ve never travelled outside of Canada or the United States of America), but I should think it appropriate to lobby my Member of Parliament to enshrine such profound and meaningful statements (such as that in the British passport) in Canadian State documents.
 

Niflmir

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Does that mean only former colonies will continue to honor history? From my passport, inside front cover:

The Minister of Foreign Affairs of Canada requests, in the name of Her Majesty the Queen, all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary.

There is also a French version of the same. That statement simply warms my heart, it gives us a solid tie to our history, each and every one of us.
 

karrie

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I like it, and not even for it's tie to the past or history, but because it reiterates what I find important in the now. The monarchy is not a thing of the past for everyone, it's here and now.

I find it deplorable that by joining the EU, the British people are expected to erase their own identity and individuality from their passports.
 

hermanntrude

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If you think being a loyalist is a culture, then good for you...... slave.

I'd call it pride in my heritage. Britain was made great as a monarchy, with good and bad monarchs along the way. There's no harm in remembering our roots by keeping a short statement in our passports.

British culture DOES involve a certain amount of pride in our monarch, particularly now that we have one who's not a despot or a lunatic, but a kind and caring woman.

My original point, though, which you tried to avoid by first questioning my semantics, and then by insulting me again, was that you were directly insulting the British way of life. Have you even BEEN to Britain? Have you ever left your asylum at all?