Leftists Condemn Chavez Shutting TV Station

Toro

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And there were some Lefties on this site defending Hugh's attack on civil liberties and freedom of the press.

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Chavez TV Shutdown Sparks Condemnation Across Region (Update2)

By Alex Kennedy and Romina Nicaretta

June 1 (Bloomberg) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's shutdown of the country's most-watched television network has set off growing condemnation in Latin America and may derail his drive to become the region's leader.

Brazilian senators today debated a motion to ``condemn'' Chavez after he called lawmakers there ``parrots'' of the U.S. for criticizing his decision to close the broadcaster. Chavez last month branded Chile's legislature ``a bunch of fascists'' after the body passed a resolution objecting to his plans.

``I'm afraid that if we don't raise our voices to denounce this situation, we could become accomplices through omission,'' Chilean senator Jaime Naranjo, a member of President Michelle Bachelet's socialist party and head of the senate's human rights committee, said in a telephone interview today. ``As Chileans we know how important international solidarity is when a country starts to violate human rights.''

The regional recoil against Chavez's decision to close the government's most widely watched critic may undermine his efforts to establish Venezuela as Latin America's leader. Since taking office in 1999, Chavez has joined the Mercosur trade bloc, sold joint bonds with Argentina, created a regional bank to replace the International Monetary Fund and called on neighbors to reject trade agreements with the U.S.

``They must be pretty surprised because they're seeing those they thought of as allies taking a pretty critical position,'' said Francisco Rodriguez, a professor at Wesleyan University in Middletown, Connecticut and former head of Venezuela's congressional economic advisory office.

`Fascists Are Attacking'

Critics of Chavez's refusal to renew the license for Radio Caracas Television, known as RCTV, on May 27 include the European Parliament, the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, and the Committee to Protect Journalists.

``There's no longer any doubt about his goals,'' Reporters Without Borders, a Paris-based journalist advocacy group, said in a statement yesterday. ``RCTV's closure was just the prelude to the progressive disappearance of all the opposition press.''

Amnesty International, the Brazilian Senate and the Carter Center, which observed and endorsed Chavez's 2004 recall vote victory, also objected to the shutdown.


``The extreme right and the fascists are attacking Venezuela from the U.S., Europe and Brasilia,'' Chavez said in a televised speech yesterday. ``Nobody should be butting in here.''

The U.S. and Spain are calling on Chavez to allow the station to reopen, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said after meeting with Spanish Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos in Madrid to day.

Free Press

Chavez, in speeches before the shutdown, said the station lost its license because it backed an attempted coup against him in 2002 and broadcast violence-and-sex-laced programs. The station denies participating in the coup.

``Democracy in Venezuela is dying,'' Brazilian senator Eduardo Azeredo, 58, said in a telephone interview from Belo Horizonte. ``His comments are an assault on the free press and the Brazilian senate.''

Azeredo, of the Social Democracy Party,
is one of 18 Brazilian lawmakers representing Brazil in the parliament of the Mercosur bloc. Chavez is finalizing Venezuela's membership in the bloc founded by Uruguay, Paraguay, Argentina and Brazil.

The parliament will discuss concerns about Venezuela at its next meeting on July 25, Azeredo said.

``Venezuela is trying to join the parliament and to be a member it must have a democratic regime,'' he said.

Argentine lawmaker Ricardo Jano, head of congress's Mercosur committee and also a member of the Mercosur parliament, said he has growing concerns about the country's internal situation, having been an advocate of Venezuelan membership.

`Puppy'

``Chavez has very seriously violated the right to freedom of expression,'' he said in a telephone interview.

Chavez, 52, has insulted foreign critics before. Over the last 18 months, he called Peruvian President Alan Garcia a ``thief'' and former Mexican President Vicente Fox a ``puppy of the empire.'' When Costa Rican President Oscar Arias said Chavez's policies were a ``negation of democracy,'' Chavez accused him of seeking an invitation to President George W. Bush's ranch.

Earlier this week, the government accused Globovision of seeking to incite Chavez's murder by showing images of the assassination attempt against Pope John Paul II in 1981 while playing Ruben Blades' song `This Doesn't End Here.'

The attorney general later summoned Globovision Director Alberto Federico Ravell and Leopoldo Castillo, the channel's most prominent journalist, for questioning next week.

Broader Strategy

``We're not going to change our editorial line. If we have to go to trial, we'll go to trial,'' Ravell said in an interview.

Chavez said he won't reverse his decision.

``It would be much easier for the Portuguese to retake their empire in Brazil than have the Venezuelan government return the broadcast license to an oligarch station,'' Chavez said last night.

The RCTV move is part of a broader strategy to quell dissent that includes forming a single government party and communal councils, funded by Chavez, that weaken local governments, considerably,'' said Patrick Esteruelas, an analyst with New York-based political risk advisers Eurasia Group.

``He's castrating free press in Venezuela,'' said Valter Pereira, a senator for the Brazilian Democratic Movement Party and member of the government's ruling coalition. ``Why should we sit back, cross our arms and watch him destroy democratic institutions?''
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Colpy

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Yeah.....saw a piece in the Globe and Mail about some of Chavez's former supporters......good socialists all......complaining that he was rapidly becoming a dictator.

Big surprize, eh?
 

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Well, then, the idiotic lie about how "lefties think" such and such can be put to rest eh??

Good cos I'm tired of being associated with anything and everything just cos I'm not some war-hawk apologist :D

I'll be bookmarking this sucker for use next time someone brings up the "Leftie" brush as if there's some kind of F-ing club that only "moonbats" join
 

Pangloss

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I'm getting pretty weary of the no-thought-required tagging of someone as "socialist" "neofascist" "hard right" "loonie left".

These are stupid, inaccurate oversimplifications that stop debate. A trolling tactic, really - meant to inflame passion and impede discussion - quite the opposite of more interesting and intelligent threads.

Besides, who but a submissive robot is all right or left wing on all topics? Some of my policies are left, some green some conservative and some are decidedly right wing. No particular party had the breadth of policy to represent my (admittedly) oft-contradicting views.

Having said all of that, I am saddened to see Chavez apparently go off the rails. Is was good to watch a counterbalance to US hegemony form in the region. Only the most blinkered could fail to be aware of how the US has plundered, bullied and perverted Latin America over the decades.

Aside from joint bonds and regional trading blocs (squeezing out the US), I bet it was forming the alternative to the World Bank that really set the west off.

Am I really such a conspiracy theorist to think the US might have a (well funded) hand in formenting dissent? C'mon - it isn't like the US has never done this sort of thing before. . .

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s243a

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Glad to here this Toro. Have you found much condemnation from the CBC or Toronto Star yet?
 

s243a

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I'll be bookmarking this sucker for use next time someone brings up the "Leftie" brush as if there's some kind of F-ing club that only "moonbats" join


You mean darkbeaver is not in some special club 8O ;-).
 

Toro

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Well, then, the idiotic lie about how "lefties think" such and such can be put to rest eh??

Good cos I'm tired of being associated with anything and everything just cos I'm not some war-hawk apologist :D

I'll be bookmarking this sucker for use next time someone brings up the "Leftie" brush as if there's some kind of F-ing club that only "moonbats" join

All you Lefties are the same...
 

gc

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And there were some Lefties on this site defending Hugh's attack on civil liberties and freedom of the press.

I didn't notice any lefties defending Hugo shutting down the press (except IF it is true that they called for his assassination...but I don't think many people in Canada would argue that a news station shouldn't be shut down if they called for Harper's assassination). Perhaps you could point me to a post where lefties were defending Hugo's shutting down the press?
 

s243a

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I didn't notice any lefties defending Hugo shutting down the press (except IF it is true that they called for his assassination...but I don't think many people in Canada would argue that a news station shouldn't be shut down if they called for Harper's assassination). Perhaps you could point me to a post where lefties were defending Hugo's shutting down the press?

That sounds like lefties defending them to me. All that is missing is blaming America. Of course I think they did that to.
 

gc

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That sounds like lefties defending them to me. All that is missing is blaming America. Of course I think they did that to.

Are you telling me that IF the CTV or some other station in Canada called for the assassination of Harper, they should be allowed to continue business as usual?
 

s243a

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Are you telling me that IF the CTV or some other station in Canada called for the assassination of Harper, they should be allowed to continue business as usual?

You miss the point. They are looking for some reason (real or imagined) to condone the actions of their false hero. As far as if there were to be a Canadian equivalent we would be in a sad state if by far the most popular network in the country was advocating such a position.
 

Toro

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Are you telling me that IF the CTV or some other station in Canada called for the assassination of Harper, they should be allowed to continue business as usual?

Are you telling me that socialist legislators in South America, Reporters Without Borders and The Carter Center are on the wrong side of speech freedom?

If a death threat was made - and please show me where this occurred because it has been alluded to but not actually linked - then those should who did so should be charged. But you don't shut down the most popular TV station in the country. What I understand to have happened was a program showed the assassination attempt on the Pope and the commentator said "this isn't over." Could you imagine shutting down the CBC over something like this (except, of course, CBC isn't popular)? But if there is more, please link.

Are you willing to believe, without question, what Chavez says? This is a guy who tried to violently overthrow a democratically elected government. Why are you so willing to believe that he is a defender of civil liberties and freedom of the press?
 

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Are you telling me that socialist legislators in South America, Reporters Without Borders and The Carter Center are on the wrong side of speech freedom?

If a death threat was made - and please show me where this occurred because it has been alluded to but not actually linked - then those should who did so should be charged. But you don't shut down the most popular TV station in the country. What I understand to have happened was a program showed the assassination attempt on the Pope and the commentator said "this isn't over." Could you imagine shutting down the CBC over something like this (except, of course, CBC isn't popular)? But if there is more, please link.

Are you willing to believe, without question, what Chavez says? This is a guy who tried to violently overthrow a democratically elected government. Why are you so willing to believe that he is a defender of civil liberties and freedom of the press?

So then would you be willing to lead the charge against Pat Robertson who in fact, on the Fox News said Chavez should be taken out, and again on ABC, same thing. And just what would you want to charge him with aswell as what do you feel would be a fair punishment?

http://mediamatters.org/items/200602030003

Summary: On Hannity & Colmes, Pat Robertson once again called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, "Not now, but one day, one day."
 

gc

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You miss the point. They are looking for some reason (real or imagined) to condone the actions of their false hero. As far as if there were to be a Canadian equivalent we would be in a sad state if by far the most popular network in the country was advocating such a position.

Good job at avoiding the question, you'd make a great politician :smile:
 

gc

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If a death threat was made - and please show me where this occurred because it has been alluded to but not actually linked - then those should who did so should be charged.

I said IF it is true (I even used all capitals and bold letters so that this type of misunderstanding wouldn't happen).... I provided a link in the other thread:

"He accused Globovision of trying to incite his assassination and of misreporting protests over the closure of RCTV in a manner that could whip up a situation similar to the coup attempt against him in 2002."..."Chavez has had a long-running feud with opposition television channels, which openly supported a coup against him in April 2002 and refused to show the massive mobilization of his supporters that turned the tide back in the president's favor."
Link

Again, I'm not trying to say that this is true. I'm not saying that Chavez is telling the truth here, or the that the article is correct (although it is from a pretty reliable source). All I am trying to say is that IF it is true, then it's not as bad as it sounds. If it's not true then Chavez is being an idiot.