Charles 'wants Camilla to be crowned queen'

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Charles 'wants Camilla to be crowned queen'


Andrew Alderson, Chief Reporter, Sunday Telegraph

20/05/2007

Amid the joy of Charles and Camilla's wedding announcement, a carefully sounded note of caution suggested that the Duchess of Cornwall would never be queen.


In 2005, only 7pc of the public wanted Camilla to become queen. Though rules state that when a man becomes king his wife automatically becomes queen



Clarence House went some way to appeasing critics of the couple's previous adulterous relationship by suggesting that the duchess will become princess consort when Charles becomes king.

Now a television documentary is to claim that the Prince of Wales is, in fact, determined to make his wife queen when he accedes to the throne. It is understood that he is intent on gaining public support so that by the time of his coronation, both will be crowned at Westminster Abbey.

The programme's claims will infuriate critics of the couple who still feel that because of the once-adulterous nature of the relationship, the duchess should never become queen.

Under present legislation, she will automatically become queen when Prince Charles, as her husband, becomes king. It would almost certainly require an Act of Parliament for her not to be queen but the prince is said to hope that with the public support on his wife's side by the time of his coronation, this will not be necessary.

Channel 4, which will show the programme Queen Camilla on May 31, claims that it will reveal the "real" relationship between the prince and the duchess. They married in April 2005 after an on-off relationship lasting more than 30 years, enduring through Charles's marriage to Lady Diana Spencer and Camilla's to Andrew Parker Bowles.

Former royal staff disclose in the programme some of the ruses used by the prince and Mrs Parker Bowles to try to keep their relationship secret. It has been alleged in the past that she used to hide in the boot of a car to slip in and out of Highgrove, the prince's Gloucestershire home. The documentary contains interviews with friends of the couple, including Lords Carrington and Gowrie, both former senior politicians, and Angela Huth, the writer and broadcaster.

A Channel 4 source said: "The film exposes the campaign to resurrect Camilla's reputation and install her as queen beside Charles, and asks whether she offers hope for the future of the British monarchy."

When the marriage was announced in February 2005, Clarence House explained the title that the then Camilla Parker Bowles would use when her husband becomes king, saying: "It is intended that Mrs Parker Bowles should use the title the princess consort."

Royal aides were being sensitive to widespread public criticism of Mrs Parker Bowles, in the light of the couple's relationship while both were married to other people. An opinion poll at the time indicated that 65 per cent of people believed the couple should marry, but only seven per cent wanted Camilla to be queen.

The original statement issued by Clarence House was carefully prepared by Sir Michael Peat, Prince Charles's principal private secretary, and Paddy Harverson, his communications secretary. It received the support of the Queen, the Prime Minister and the Archbishop of Canterbury.

Senior courtiers have indicated to The Sunday Telegraph, however, that it was carefully worded so as not to commit Camilla to her future title. One senior royal official said that ultimately, what she is called is "a matter for the government and the prime minister of the day. We will have to consider what people feel at the time".

Words such as "intention" are used when the Royal family wants future flexibility. In 1995, after the Queen urged the Waleses to divorce, the prince's private office said he had no "intention" of remarrying. Yet he hoped to be in a position one day to do so.

This newspaper has learned that Clarence House turned down an approach from the programme-maker, Blakeway Productions, to co-operate with the documentary by authorising "access" to the couple's friends and royal officials.

Royal aides remain angry that Channel 4 broadcast a Dispatches programme, Charles: The Meddling Prince, this year which questioned his fitness to be king and accused him of improperly interfering in affairs of state. Clarence House issued detailed responses in an attempt to refute the allegations.

In November 1998, another Dispatches programme, to mark the prince's 50th birthday, portrayed him as a lazy, greedy man whose concern for the environment was little more than skin-deep.

The latest documentary is not entirely critical of the duchess. It claims that she calms the prince's rages, makes him laugh, advises him and helps him sustain his commitment to duty.


telegraph.co.uk
 

Zzarchov

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I think someone should read a history book if they think an adulterous affair should preclude someone from being king or queen.
 

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If Charles has his way about giving Camilla a pretender to the Queen name....

....doesn't he insult his father who has never been "King"consort?
 

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Who cares what psychiatrists write on walls...there is no right or wrong there's only popular opinion...Jeffrey Goines

Hey Toro.... some "care", but it's more than likely the kind of "care" that sees people wailing and moaning the death of Princess Diana outside Buckingham palace ...without having a clue about what the monarchy or the cost of the monarchy does to and for the people of Great Britain.

With the rapidly declining newsworthiness of the corrupt American political system/administration...chickens coming home to roost etc... the mind numbing inconsequentiality of the British monarchy offers something for the soap-opera crowd they can feel good about as being "news"....so they can claim they really know what's going on in the world....

What a hoot...:)
 

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A good number of Canadians like the idea of a head of state who is apolitical. For the most part, the Queen's role is a ceremonial one with little actual power. The Queen's representative in this country is generally someone who has gained respect in a chosen field and is one who can speak for Canada and Canadians without a political bias. I am at least one who respects these traditions which are part of our history. We would be poorer without them.
 

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Juan

I'm happy that you can find some comfort from the monarchial facade, the rituals of religion and monarchy have been used to bind nations together and aren't without their moments of grandeur and meaning. I on the other hand regard the grip on monarchial hubris and artifice as reminicent of the choice of many to cling to the teachings and rhetoric of the 14th century Islamic faith. A social device that might once have had some usefulness, but has outlived that usefulness and is being used as an excuse for exercising if not bad, at least poor judgement.
 

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Canadians are decidedly 'poorer' supporting that outmoded and outdated tradition. It goes against all that is intelligent and humane in our modern world.

NO MAN IS ABOVE ANOTHER IN POWER OR IMPORTANCE.

Good people living in a democratically styled nation shouldn't have to support a bunch of wealthy tourist attractions who have money and residences and facilities which, if converted to charitable works, could do immense good for many of the inhabitants of those nations who pay for this display of pomp and ceremony.
 

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Why would they be converted to charitable works?

You do know thats their own private estates right? If they stopped being royalty they would just get even richer, and you can bet they wouldn't open their own private homes to be public charities.

They would be the Gates and Hiltons of the worlds, that is THEIR money and THEIR land that they use. They are still fabulously wealthy.



I find the stability is a good idea, their whole point is to exist as a political canary, but sharing a head of state with 16 odd other countries we have an extra safety not afforded by a president (who on average will eventually become a corrupt tinpot dictator..looking at the majority of nations which have had them).

You can keep your Idealism, I'll keep the pragmatism.
 

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Zzarchov

Where's the pragmatism in funding a ceremonial nabob/clan? If a "chief" is needed to keep the indians rallied around the totem pole....

I don't think anyone minds spending money in support of a vehicle that achieves some tangible effect on the living standards and social systems of a nation, but the monarchy is a symbolic edifice with no real power. And yet this artifice funnels huge amounts of money away from the life experience of Joe and Jane Britisher.....and to what end?

Margret Thatcher, Toni Blair, these folk didn't and don't wouldn't and won't listen to a monarchial puppet show that is even more removed from the day to day lives of the British people than are the goons and misfits that are elected to office. Canada has enough confusion and identity crisis to deal with without adding the "monarchy" as another divissive element. Canadians don't like/want Quebec...BC and others are looking at independence.....our government continues to be exposed as corrupt negligent and inept....our tundra is melting and tough climactic times lie ahead...the last thing we need is another debate based on nonesense and uselessness.
 

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Juan

I'm happy that you can find some comfort from the monarchial facade, the rituals of religion and monarchy have been used to bind nations together and aren't without their moments of grandeur and meaning. I on the other hand regard the grip on monarchial hubris and artifice as reminicent of the choice of many to cling to the teachings and rhetoric of the 14th century Islamic faith. A social device that might once have had some usefulness, but has outlived that usefulness and is being used as an excuse for exercising if not bad, at least poor judgement.

Having an apolitical head of state who cuts the ceremonial ribbon to open a bridge, or a government building, or presents awards to citizens for various achievements has bugger all to do with "the teachings and rhetoric of the 14th century Islamic faith". The governors general are Canadians who have achieved respect in their own fields before taking that office. I don't "take comfort" in anything. I simply respect a Canadian tradition.
 

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It's only a Canadian tradition Juan becuase Canadians have refused to outgrow their dependency on artifice, exactly the same as saying that a woman deserves to be stoned to death for infidelity...

When we choose to desperately bind ourselves to the constructs of divine-right and invest in the facade of ceremony for ceremonies sake...we fail to grow. Deciding the fate of a man or woman based on fourteenth century religious extremism isn't that far removed from honoring the system of government that felt it perfectly OK to slaughter men women and children for poaching on the Kings land or for failing to demonstrate their fealty to the crown...

It's a situation where the sizzle gets more respect than the meat Juan. Now the same thing could certainly be said for the hogwash of modern politics with or without a monarchial underpinning but it's long past due that the monarchy was acknowledged for what it was...and is...

A burden that no one needs.
 

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It's only a Canadian tradition Juan becuase Canadians have refused to outgrow their dependency on artifice, exactly the same as saying that a woman deserves to be stoned to death for infidelity...Not at all. It is a Canadian tradition because Canadians want it to be a tradition. We are talking about a respected Canadian who is appointed by an elected government to perform the ceremonial duties I have mentioned. Saying this is in any way related to stoning women to death is ludicrous to say the least.

When we choose to desperately bind ourselves to the constructs of divine-right and invest in the facade of ceremony for ceremonies sake...we fail to grow. Deciding the fate of a man or woman based on fourteenth century religious extremism isn't that far removed from honoring the system of government that felt it perfectly OK to slaughter men women and children for poaching on the Kings land or for failing to demonstrate their fealty to the crown...

It's a situation where the sizzle gets more respect than the meat Juan. Now the same thing could certainly be said for the hogwash of modern politics with or without a monarchial underpinning but it's long past due that the monarchy was acknowledged for what it was...and is...

A burden that no one needs.

The monarchy's role in all things has been reduced to a pitiful fraction of what it once was, and that is the way it should be. The reigning monarch is purely a figurehead but nevertheless, is part of our history. I don't feel threatened by what is left of the monarcy but we should remember our history.
 

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Canadians are decidedly 'poorer' supporting that outmoded and outdated tradition. It goes against all that is intelligent and humane in our modern world.

NO MAN IS ABOVE ANOTHER IN POWER OR IMPORTANCE.

Good people living in a democratically styled nation shouldn't have to support a bunch of wealthy tourist attractions who have money and residences and facilities which, if converted to charitable works, could do immense good for many of the inhabitants of those nations who pay for this display of pomp and ceremony.

Yes.

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#juan

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Canadians are decidedly 'poorer' supporting that outmoded and outdated tradition. It goes against all that is intelligent and humane in our modern world.

NO MAN IS ABOVE ANOTHER IN POWER OR IMPORTANCE.

Good people living in a democratically styled nation shouldn't have to support a bunch of wealthy tourist attractions who have money and residences and facilities which, if converted to charitable works, could do immense good for many of the inhabitants of those nations who pay for this display of pomp and ceremony.
Absolute BS.

The costs to Canadians is about $1.10 per taxpayer per year. Americans pay many times more per capita just to ship their president around in style.
 

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While I don't doubt your numbers too much, Juan, sometimes it ain't only about the money. Regardless, this much money and land and effort wasted - oh yeah, it's a crime.

Pangloss
 

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Wasted land? It would still be their land if they were not royalty.

If anything, they would be wealthier since they would have many restrictions lifted from them. They would also be far more powerful as private individuals.