Falsely accused paedophiles were actually victims of credit card fraud'

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Hundreds of people accused of being paedophiles were actually victims of credit card fraud claims BBC Radio 4 programme The Investigation

Hundreds of Britons accused of being paedophiles in the country's biggest Internet child pornography investigation were actually victims of credit card fraud, it was claimed last night.
More than 7,000 - including rock star Pete Townshend - were said to have downloaded child-porn images from a U.S. website.
But an investigation has found that many of those charged as part of the police inquiry codenamed Operation Ore were innocent and their card details had been used illegally.
Simon Bunce, who was accused of using the Texas-based Landslide website, said he was certain his personal information had been used fraudulently. Police found no evidence on his computer but his credit card details were found on the site.
"Thirty-nine people committed suicide after being accused of what I was accused of," he said. "I reacted in a different way. I investigated it diligently and I established I was the victim of credit card fraud."
The case against Mr Bunce was dropped after six months.
In another case, a father and son were investigated for a year. Nothing was found on their computer but their card details had been used. They recently found out they would not be prosecuted.
Makers of the BBC Radio 4 programme The Investigation, which was broadcast last night, interviewed Ross Anderson, professor of security engineering at Cambridge University, who was a defence expert witness in several Operation Ore trials.
"Police just didn't look far and didn't understand the evidence of wholesale card fraud," he said.
"As a result hundreds, possibly even thousands, of people have been put through a terrible mill with threats of prosecution for child pornography and all the rest of it when in fact they had nothing to do with child pornography."
Police admit some of the 7,200 on a list supplied to them by U.S. officials were victims of card fraud but say they were not prosecuted and that they do not believe fraud was rife on the website. So far, 2,300 people have been found guilty of offences.
Jim Gamble, former head of the National Crime Squad who is now head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, said: "Over 90 per cent of those involved pleaded guilty. That's not about credit card fraud.
"That's people who have had the allegation levelled against them. The evidence has been collected. And they at court have said, 'I'm guilty of this offence'."
Those held in Operation Ore, which was launched in 2002 and cost £10 million, included Pete Townshend of The Who, Ronnie Barker's son Adam and numerous police officers.
Townshend denied that he was a paedophile, claiming he only accessed a site as research for an anti-child pornography campaign and for his autobiography.
He was not charged, but accepted a police caution and was placed on the sex offenders' register for five years.
Adam Barker went on the run and has never been traced. At least 38 suspects are known to have committed suicide. Of these, 34 had illegal images on their computers.
 

s243a

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This is no surprise to me at all. I do not believe in such cases that there is a presumption of innocents. The laws in Canada state that no person will be charged under these laws if they are of no danger or are acting as part of law enforcement or justice. The reality is that there is a high chance that someones life could be destroyed over identity theft or accidentally downloading something or receiving an unwanted email.
 

gopher

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How sad. As for the suicides, this has happened and continues to happen to innocent victims whose lives and reputations have been destroyed. The has been especially tragic for innocents with no criminal record who find themselves thrown into prison with sex starved maniacs who proceed to sexually abuse them. Unfortunately, society often views that as a big joke and Hollywood has often used that scenario as a comedic scene. But it isn't funny to the victim with suicide being the final outcome.
 

TenPenny

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Guess those reports in the media about Pete Townsend being a diddler were wrong.:-|

Well, he admitted to doing it...but only "for research"....

The identity theft part was well documented in the media last year...but as far as 'accidentally' downloading it, or receiving it, I think you'll find that most of the people charged have THOUSANDS of pictures, it's hard to accidentally receive thousands of pictures.
 

s243a

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Well, he admitted to doing it...but only "for research"....

The identity theft part was well documented in the media last year...but as far as 'accidentally' downloading it, or receiving it, I think you'll find that most of the people charged have THOUSANDS of pictures, it's hard to accidentally receive thousands of pictures.

So you are implying then that is not the case for everyone that is charged. Do you have statistics to back this up?
 

s243a

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I'm not sure what you're asking for - identity theft statistics, or the number of accidentally downloaded pictures?

Give a histogram for people charged and the number of pictures found in their possession. Do one that includes actual pictures. Do another one that includes just deleted pictures. Quote your source. Maybe my criticism is unjustified. I just question the ability of the law to fairly enforce a law where no one is allowed to see the evidence. Where is the accountability?
 

Pangloss

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I wonder if any of the bloodthirsty lot who call for the killing or castration or life imprisonment of pedophiles will have the stones to actually acknowledge this?

Come out, come out - we know who you are. What do you have to say in the face of a judicial screwup of this magnitude?

Oh, yeah, and Montreal organized crime is a leader in credit card fraud and identity theft.

Pangloss
 

TenPenny

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I wonder if any of the bloodthirsty lot who call for the killing or castration or life imprisonment of pedophiles will have the stones to actually acknowledge this?

I stated that I believed in execution for sexual assalt of children. But that doesn't include having pictures on your computer. I was referring to the actual physical act. I hope you're not trying to include me in that swath you just cleared.

Of the two cases here in my home town where people were charged with possession of child pornography, one was a radio dj, whose defence was that he did it because of his cocaine addiction; the other was a guy who vaguely claimed he was innocent, but then stopped claiming innocence when the number of pictures was mentioned. In other words, he had no defence. Perhaps he truly was innocent, but normally people who are actually innocent mount some sort of defense. So I'll categorize that one as iffy.
 

TenPenny

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Give a histogram for people charged and the number of pictures found in their possession. Do one that includes actual pictures. Do another one that includes just deleted pictures. Quote your source. Maybe my criticism is unjustified. I just question the ability of the law to fairly enforce a law where no one is allowed to see the evidence. Where is the accountability?

Do I get extra marks for this? Maybe a gold sticker?
 

Zzarchov

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Maybe he stopped claiming his innocence because it turns out someone he cared about actually committed the crime? You never know, thats why we have trials.
 

Josephine

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I wouldn't be one of the "blood-thirsty lot" would I?

False accusations are an entirely different story. I know that false accusations abound in this country and others. I have no delusions of that.
I think this story is very sad and horrible, but I don't know what else law enforcement could do. They were probably tracking this ring for quite a while, and if all they have to go on are credit card numbers and names...they have to start there. Some people were innocent and even proved victims of another crime, but seriously...the law has to look into! Were any of the credit-card victims found guilty? Are any of them in jail?

Again, false accusations are disgusting and do happen very often, I'm just saying that I think the cops did what had to do, in the course of a massive investigation.

Oh and gopher... I agree...I don't believe jokes about men being raped in prison are amusing, I find them quite offensive.
 

TenPenny

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Maybe he stopped claiming his innocence because it turns out someone he cared about actually committed the crime? You never know, thats why we have trials.
True enough; he was found guilty and sentenced to house arrest. Which, if he got to keep his high speed connection, doesn't exactly solve the problem.
 

Josephine

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True enough; he was found guilty and sentenced to house arrest. Which, if he got to keep his high speed connection, doesn't exactly solve the problem.

Yeah...House Arrest...score one for the Justice League:roll:

Thank goodness we got rid of house arrest for those convicted of that crime here in Canada!