Women's Rights In Middle East

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Women's Rights in Middle East and North Africa


The human rights of women throughout the Middle East and North Africa are systematically denied by each of the countries in the region, despite the diversity of their political systems. Many governments routinely suppress civil society by restricting freedom of the press, expression, and assembly. These restrictions adversely affect both men and women; however, women are subject to a host of additional gender-specific human rights violations. For example, family, penal, and citizenship laws throughout the region relegate women to a subordinate status compared to their male counterparts. This legal discrimination undermines women's full personhood and equal participation in society and puts women at an increased risk for violence.


Family matters in countries as diverse as Iran, Egypt, Israel, Lebanon, and Saudi Arabia are governed by religion-based personal status codes. Many of these laws treat women essentially as legal minors under the eternal guardianship of their male family members. They deny women equal rights with men with respect to marriage, divorce, child custody; and inheritance. Family decision making is thought to be the exclusive domain of men, who enjoy by default the legal status of "head of household." These notions are supported by family courts in the region that often reinforce the primacy of male decision-making power. These courts have rarely appointed women as judges, further denying women authority in family matters.
While husbands can divorce their spouses easily (often instantaneously through oral repudiation), wives' access to divorce is often extremely limited, and they frequently confront near insurmountable legal and financial obstacles.


In Lebanon, battered women cannot file for divorce on the basis of abuse without the testimony of an eyewitness. A medical certificate from a doctor documenting physical abuse is simply not good enough. Although women in Egypt can now legally initiate a divorce without cause, they must agree not only to renounce all rights to the couple's finances, but must also re-pay their dowries. Essentially, they have to buy their freedom. In Bahrain, where family law is not codified, judges have complete power to deny women custody of their children for the most arbitrary reasons. Bahraini women who have been courageous enough to expose and challenge these violations in 2003 are currently being sued for slander by eleven family court judges.


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http://hrw.org/women/overview-mena.html
 

able

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The only way you change those things is by conquering the country, problem is, no one has been able to conquer a muslim country. Even after you defeat their armies in the field, you still have to face decades of guerrilla warfare. Afghanistan is a good example, the British couldn't do it in the 19th century, the Russians couldn't do it in the 20th, America couldn't do it in the 21st, and the body bags keep coming home. Our young men are only capable of suffering to a certain degree. Eventually, there will be no military prescence in muslim countries, because the price is too high and neverending. The only way to win, is to kill everyone, and I know that better be out of the question.
 

Zzarchov

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Re-read your history books there able. Muslim nations are no harder or easier to conquer than any other nation of man.
 

able

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Did you read one word that I wrote? This is the third century for foreign troops to be in Afghanistan. How many thousands of years and millions of lives before you admit defeat. Perhaps, its time for you to pick up a weapon, and fight the good fight. Cheerleaders don't win battles, and if muslim countries are so easily defeated, then how come the religion even exists? If it were possible to win against these people, don't you think it would have been done by now. I spent 10 years in the military, and I care if our young men are sacrificed to no avail. We can not enforce our will upon people who won't accept it, being foolish enough to think otherwise is a great way to fill body bags.
 

Zzarchov

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Hey, Im ex-forces too. That doesn't change the fact about history.

For example, if you are talking about muslim nations getting beaten I could point to Israel for recent, I could point to the Ottomans caving to the British/French alliance,

I could point out that Half of france and all of Spain used to be Muslim. I could point out how India bounced back from being majority Muslim controlled to being a Hindu Majority again. Islam being pushed around is a common story in Africa.

Now Afghanistan is a tough nut to crack, but thats because of geography not religion. Finland and Vietnam have equal histories of slapping around invading superpowers, despite not being Islamic. But put enough pressure and all nuts crack, at least for awhile. You can find similar hotspots irregardless of if they are Islamic: Ireland, Basque, Timor, Sri Lanka, the list goes on.
 
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I don't think women's rights are necessarily what they are just because of the religion of those countries. Women in most of the world live without the same status as men whatever their religion. Look at India for instance. I don't think the solution is to conquer them all and force them to change. As women become educated, they will press for their rights. Their societies will change. It will take time though. It's easy to forget that many of the rights women take for granted here were only won very recently.
 

El Barto

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Why are we looking around the world? Look in our backyard. Not to long ago women here didn't really have that many rights. They stood up they fought tooth and nail to get what they deserve to be their rights. Changes has to come from within, just like it did here. That's why we have to set precautions here so it doesn't fall back. Freedom and rights are fought for not given. You can't force the world to change, but you can give them a hand if they want it.
 

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Well, men could use just a little liberation there as well since more often than not it is they who are conscripted into the military whereas women are exempted.
 

earth_as_one

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Why are we looking around the world? Look in our backyard. Not to long ago women here didn't really have that many rights. They stood up they fought tooth and nail to get what they deserve to be their rights. Changes has to come from within, just like it did here. That's why we have to set precautions here so it doesn't fall back. Freedom and rights are fought for not given. You can't force the world to change, but you can give them a hand if they want it.

Women weren't considered persons under the law here in Canada before 1883. It took until 1940 before all women everywhere in Canada had equal rights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_women's_suffrage

By the way officially Iraqi women have had the same rights as men since 1948. Iranian women aren't allowed to show their faces in public, but they can vote, run for office, own property and work. Probably the most backward middle east country regarding women is Saudi Arabia where women aren't allowed drive and can't leave the country unless they have permission from a male relative.
 

El Barto

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Well written El B - it's what I was gonna write. . .

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well I'm sure it would of been more elaborate. I speak from the heart at times and its not backed so much with knowledge. When in doubt I shut up and listen.
 

able

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Glad to see that we won't have to fight, of course, the reason we're in Afghanistan is to allow little girls to learn how to read and write. The so called Afghan army has had more training time than our kids have, problem is, they still don't seem to know how to win a battle. How come we keep equipping and training the locals, but when it comes to a fight, they get the sh*t kicked out of them. It isn't just there, its Iraq, or any other place you choose. The free world is putting in the effort, but the home team doesn't seem able to carry its own weight. I suppose its frustration on my part, but how come our kids can do a better job with less training time. I can't help but think that if it were our country, this would have been over long ago. They should be able to raise an army of at least 50,000, we could pay them, and the wars over. It would be less expensive for us in blood and money. This isn't happening in Iraq either. Has it occured to anyone that neither country wants our brand of freedom?
 

Josephine

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While I do agree that women all the world in a variety of countries from a variety of religions are made to be submissive, the way it's dealt with in muslim and african countries is terrifying.
Acid thrown in their face if they are unfaithful or even if they are raped...shaming the family and all. Women have their clitoris cut off in Africa so they can't enjoy their sexual experience.

This treatment is horrible and is known to us Western countries, yet we don't do anything. I understand that women here had to fight for what they had, but I don't believe we, as women, experience, to the same extent, what is experienced by women in those countries.

They are raised to believe they are less than man, some continue to believe this...brainwashing, maybe?

I don't believe the women there can win their rights the way we did here...because of the extreme violence and the willingness to cut them down if they rebel.
 
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earth_as_one

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Technically they can show their faces, just not their body parts or hair or shape.
I knew that, but thank you for the correction.

We also have rules about which body parts and hair can be exposed in public and which can't. Until recently it was illegal for Canadian women to expose their breasts in public.
 

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While I do agree that women all the world in a variety of countries from a variety of religions are made to be submissive, the way it's dealt with in muslim and african countries is terrifying.
Acid thrown in their face if they are unfaithful or even if they are raped...shaming the family and all. Women have their clitoris cut off in Africa so they can't enjoy their sexual experience.

This treatment is horrible and is known to us Western countries, yet we don't do anything. I understand that women here had to fight for what they had, but I don't believe we, as women, experience, to the same extent, what is experienced by women in those countries.

They are raised to believe they are less than man, some continue to believe this...brainwashing, maybe?

I don't believe the women there can win their rights the way we did here...because of the extreme violence and the willingness to cut them down if they rebel.

I'm sure I can find as many examples of men beating on their wives in Canada. Does that make it legal or even socially acceptable?

We are exposed to a lot of anti-Islam hate propaganda. Most of this crap consists of taking isolated cases and portraying it as mainstream. Don't confuse cultural practices or extreme criminal activity with religion.

What are women's rights in Islam?
[SIZE=-1]Courtesy of Islamic.Org[/SIZE]


[SIZE=-1]In a truely Islamic society women have the following rights in Islam:[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]1. The right and duty to obtain education.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]2. The right to have their own independent property.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]3. The right to work to earn money if they need it or want it.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]4. Equality of reward for equal deeds.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]5. The right to express their opinion and be heard.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]6. The right to provisions from the husband for all her needs and more.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]7. The right to negotiate marriage terms of her choice.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]8. The right to obtain divorce from her husband, even on the grounds that she simply can't stand him. (pls note that God deeply frowns upon divorce as a solution unless there is hardly any other alternative but it does not mean that men have more right to divorce their wives than women do.)[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]9. The right to keep all her own money (she is not responsible to maintain any relations).[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]10. The right to get sexual satisfaction from her husband.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]11. custody of their children after divorce.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]12. to refuse any marriage that does not please them[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]and more...[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Here is an article taken from a speech which details some of these rights: Ideals and role models for women in Islam[/SIZE]

http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/w_rights_summary.htm

Nowhere in the Qu'ran does it say that clitorises should be amputated, that acid should be thrown in women's faces or even that women have to wear a burka. That's about as accurate as saying that Christians have to drink alcohol.

 

Josephine

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I'm sure I can find as many examples of men beating on their wives in Canada. Does that make it legal or even socially acceptable?

We are exposed to a lot of anti-Islam hate propaganda. Most of this crap consists of taking isolated cases and portraying it as mainstream. Don't confuse cultural practices or extreme criminal activity with religion.



Nowhere in the Qu'ran does it say that clitorises should be amputated, that acid should be thrown in women's faces or even that women have to wear a burka. That's about as accurate as saying that Christians have to drink alcohol.



Actually, I didn't mention that this treatment was because of any religion. I am well aware that women in Canada and the US get abused and beaten and raped and murdered. I am well aware that violence against women in the west is rampant, I never disputed that. What I said was that it is not uncommon in AFRICA to cut off the clitoris of the women. And I have heard many cases of women having acid thrown in their face because they shamed their family, or they are stoned to death, in the middle east as well as in AFRICA. Dateline and the BBC have done stories on these issues.
I never mentioned anything about the burka or the Qu'ran...I am not confusing anything.