20 Shia gunmen die in British Basra fightback

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The Battle of Shia Flats: The British get revenge for the killing of their comrades on Thursday...
20 Shia gunmen die in British Basra fightback

The Telegraph
By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent
13/04/2007

British forces have hit back at Iraqi insurgents who killed six colleagues last week, by launching an operation in which they shot dead more than 20 gunmen of Basra's rogue militias.

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There are no "no-go" areas', said a British commander


Details of the assault emerged last night as the bodies of four soldiers killed by a roadside bomb on Thursday were put on flights back to the UK. They arrived at RAF Lyneham in Wiltshire this morning for a repatriation ceremony.


The coffins, draped in Union flags, are carried by colleagues at Basra Air Station in southern Iraq before flying to RAF Lyneham in Wiltshire


The attack began when a battalion-size force was sent into one of the southern city's toughest terrorist strongholds, three miles from where four soldiers, including two women, were blown up in their Warrior armoured vehicle.

An armoured force of 400 troops from the 2Bn The Rifles and 2Bn The Duke of Lancaster's Regiment, both of which suffered fatalities last week, entered the Shia Flats area on the western outskirts of Basra to search for hidden weapons. The district is notorious as one of the most dangerous in southern Iraq.

"We wanted to make quite clear there's nowhere in Basra we cannot go," a British commander told The Daily Telegraph yesterday. "We are prepared to be there in daylight and take whatever comes our way. We are not being bombed out or intimidated."

Initially there was no response as the troops began searching homes where they recovered some small arms. But then the atmosphere changed.

"It was all going very well but then there was a sense something bad was about to happen as we noticed children starting to speak into their mobile phones and point at us," the commander said. "At this stage it became clear that the militia was massing for some kind of attack."

As the troops took up defensive positions around their Warrior and Bulldog armoured vehicles, Iraqi gunmen carrying AK47 assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenades could be seen scurrying along rooftops and down streets. It is believed ammunition and hundreds of weapons are hidden in the area and brought into the open at short notice when the British appear.

Intelligence sources also informed the troops on the ground that Shia terrorists were heading towards them from other parts of the city.

The battle began on Tuesday afternoon with numerous rocket-propelled grenades and small arms fire hitting the British positions.

The soldiers from the Rifles and Duke of Lancaster's held off the attacks for more than two hours and shot a number of gunmen. There were no British casualties as they gradually fought their way back to their base at Basra Palace.

Coalition jets also made low flying passes to intimidate the enemy although they did not drop any bombs. During one skirmish two attackers, who fired grenades at a British position, were chased down and arrested. Both are likely to face charges.

Commanders believed that some of the dead might have been behind the ambush of a Warrior in which 2nd Lt Joanna Dyer, a close friend of Prince William at Sandhurst, and three other soldiers were killed. A sniper, possibly from Shia Flats, also killed two other soldiers earlier last week. "This was at a location where we believe those responsible for killing our people were almost certainly recruited from," a military source said.

During the battle an Iraqi policeman was shot by one of the militias. He later died.

No civilians are believed to have been killed in the fight, the military reported, although it could not rule out innocent casualties caught in the crossfire.

"While we may regret that such incidents have to take place, we will not allow militia gunmen to control parts of Basra," said Lt Col Kevin Stratford-Wright, the British military spokesman in southern Iraq.

"There are no 'no-go' areas for multi-national forces in Basra. Security is our responsibility and, in conjunction with the Iraqi security forces, we seek to provide as secure an environment as possible. This will inevitably involve taking on the rogue militia who blight the lives of people in Basra."

Official estimates put the number of Iraqis hit by British gunfire at 10 but other defence sources said that double that figure had been shot.

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The British got revenge?

That implies that they were attacked without justification. Yet the British fought their way into Basra, probably killing thousands of Iraqi soldiers and civilians. Since then, Basra has been a war zone, with plenty of killing and casualties on all sides.

British soldiers went to an residential area where most of civilians support the insurgency or are the insurgency to pick a fight and make a point. When the inevitable gun battle broke out, women, children, sick and elderly got to witness a running streetbattle. Hopefully none of them were hit in the cross fire of RPGs and machine gun fire. I imagine more than a few homes were damaged.

I suppose residents should be thankful British warplanes didn't napalm and clusterbomb their neighborhood. I'm sure these people feel much differently about the British now.
 

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Thats funny Earth_as_one, It was pretty clear they did not start the attack. The justification is these places are flooded with RPG's and Assault rifles.

Its nice of you to be Anti-western, but think about being Pro-Iraqi for a moment. No doubt they want the west gone, but do you think they want to be ruled over by a group who's claim to authority is "we have machine guns and RPGs". Do you know what kind of abuses of power that causes? Would you like to be run by a group like that?
 

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Thats funny Earth_as_one, It was pretty clear they did not start the attack. The justification is these places are flooded with RPG's and Assault rifles.

Its nice of you to be Anti-western, but think about being Pro-Iraqi for a moment. No doubt they want the west gone, but do you think they want to be ruled over by a group who's claim to authority is "we have machine guns and RPGs". Do you know what kind of abuses of power that causes? Would you like to be run by a group like that?

In case you didn't notice, the people who currently rule Iraq are heavily armed and abuse their power. That's how they ended up in control. These people are responsible for the violent deaths of hundreds of thousands since March 2003. These people don't care about Iraqis. If they did they wouldn't have killed so many of them and destroyed their country.

This incident was one battle in a war for control of Iraq's oil wealth which was started by an unprovoked US led Iraqi invasion/occupation. The insurgents did not start this war, but it seems they are winning. That's not hoping for them to win, but an observation.

The anti-west label you'd like to pin on me is ridiculously simplistic. I am Canadian and anti-senseless violence.

Its not anti-west to point out why these people hate us. It's not anti-west to point out atrocities committed by the west. Its also not pro-west to blindly support every action which led to this war and continues to sink us deeper and deeper into a quagmire. Its not pro-west to support sending soldiers into a known hostile area full of children to provoke a fight.

..."It was all going very well but then there was a sense something bad was about to happen as we noticed children starting to speak into their mobile phones and point at us,"...

What do you think children who grow up on a battlefield are going to do when they get older?

I'm not even commenting about whether the British actions were warranted or not. I'm challenging people to think for themselves and pointing out propaganda.

The piece which started this string tries to portray this battle as revenge is propaganda. Yes their is some real information about another stupid battle in a stupid war which was fought in a residential neighborhood like so many other stupid battles in this stupid war, but most of it was designed to make stupid people wave a flag.

The end result in this case appears to be a few dead insurgents, some property damage and wounded innocent bystanders. I'm sure this battle convinced some innocent bystanders to choose sides. Most of them probably chose the side not firing bullets at them.

So what did this battle accomplish? Nothing as far as I can see.
 
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Thats funny Earth_as_one, It was pretty clear they did not start the attack. The justification is these places are flooded with RPG's and Assault rifles.

Its nice of you to be Anti-western, but think about being Pro-Iraqi for a moment. No doubt they want the west gone, but do you think they want to be ruled over by a group who's claim to authority is "we have machine guns and RPGs".


Do you know what kind of abuses of power that causes? Would you like to be run by a group like that?

You seem not to realize that we are ruled by a group that epitomizes what you're pointing out. That abuse of power has no equal in all history, but you consistantly give it a pass.:smile: