How Far Will The West Be Pushed?

Curiosity

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http://www.townhall.com/columnists/BenShapiro/2007/03/28/committing_suicide,_one_step_at_a_time


Committing Suicide, One Step At A Time
By Ben Shapiro,
Wednesday March 28, 2007

How far will the West be pushed? For decades, Iran has embraced a strategy of carefully feeling its oats, prodding at the West, testing our mettle in inches. Now, like Germany in 1938, Iran is beginning to realize that the West will do nothing to stop it. Crippled by a pathological aversion to war, America and Britain sit by silently as Iran develops nuclear weapons, fosters terrorism in Iraq and targets Western interests for total annihilation.
Iran's latest test for the West is its abduction of 15 members of the British Royal Navy. Iran feebly claims those sailors were found in Iranian waters. In truth, Iranian forces crossed into Iraqi waters to take those British sailors and marines prisoner. The abduction was no innocent mistake by the Iranians -- it was planned in advance, designed to achieve the release of five Iranian Quds Force members arrested in northern Iraq, designed to place pressure on the West more generally.


Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is shown in this January file photo. Ahmadinejad has canceled his trip to New York to address the U.N. Security Council before a vote on whether to impose further sanctions against his country for refusing to stop enriching uranium, the Foreign Ministry spokesman said Friday. (AP Photo/Esteban Felix)


Hours before the U.N. was to decide on the issue of harsher sanctions against Iran, the Iranians seized the British. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who was scheduled to speak to the U.N. regarding the sanctions, cancelled his appearance.
The Western response has been tepid. Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain says British efforts to obtain the sailors' release will enter a "different phase" if current negotiations fail. That "different phase" would include releasing evidence that the Iranians had entered Iraqi territory to grab the British sailors. That "different phase" would not, however, entail expelling Iranian diplomats from Britain or contemplating military action. In other words, Britain will act miffed, but not miffed enough to secure the release of their troops.
Which is precisely the course the Brits ought to take, according to the international left. Like Agamemnon, the international left is willing and eager to sacrifice countless military Iphigenias to appease radical Islamist gods. Useful idiots like former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray are coming out of the woodwork to blame coalition forces for Iran's hostility. "In international law the Iranian government was not out of order in detaining foreign military personnel in waters to which they have a legitimate claim," Murray told Al Jazeera. "For the Royal Navy to be interdicting shipping within the 12 mile limit of territorial seas, in a region they know full well is subject to maritime boundary dispute, is unnecessarily provocative." Loudmouth ignoramus bovine Rosie O'Donnell has likened Iran's seizure to the Gulf of Tonkin incident, implying that coalition forces led by America would use the seizure as a manufactured excuse to go after Iran.
Murray and O'Donnell aren't alone. The newly minted Democratic Congress has already demonstrated its willingness to undermine American credibility with regard to Iran. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, D-California, has announced, "Congress should assert itself and make it very clear that there is no previous authority for the president, any president, to go into Iran." Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid agrees: "The president does not have the authority to launch military action in Iran without first seeking congressional authorization."
Meanwhile, the Democratic Congress has continued to pursue a policy of pre-emptive surrender in Iraq, emboldening both violent sectarian militias and the Iranian regime. The Democrats' proposed timetable proposes precisely the strategy that led to devastating defeat in Vietnam -- which is, of course, what the Democrats want, since they can then blame President Bush for "his" disastrous Iraq policy.
Two centuries ago, several Muslim states seized American ships and sailors on the high seas, demanding tribute from the United States. For decades, the Americans complied. Then they created a navy. Under Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, America struck back, forcing Tripoli, Tunis and Algiers to sign treaties forswearing piracy at gunpoint.
One century ago, Moroccan bandit Mulai Ahmed er Raisuli kidnapped supposed American citizen Ion Perdicaris. Teddy Roosevelt famously responded that he wanted "Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead," and dispatched seven battleships and a marine detachment to Morocco. The incident ended with the safe return of Perdicaris.
Today, a dramatically hostile Iranian government -- a government that has sent its soldiers across the Iraqi border to harass Iraqi and American troops, a government that supports terrorism throughout the Middle East, a government that is quickly developing nuclear weapons for use against our allies, a government that kidnaps coalition soldiers and holds them on trumped up charges -- is met with nothing but sighs of indignation and huffy posturing. How long will it be before the West tells Ahmadinejad he has "missed the bus"? And how long after that before the West is forced to face up to the consequences of its own ****lessness? [edited word: f e c k l e s s n e s s ]
 

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The West should nukes Iran, don't stop with Iran but NK as well.
Oh what the hell, let's just nukes the whole Middle East , Africa (because of that Somolia incident) and Asia.
You can't trust those sneaky Japanese *remembered what they did back in 1941 ?*
 

Sparrow

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Do you remember the 2 atomic bombs?

They are not the only ones you cannot trust, take a good look around.
 

thomaska

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The West should nukes Iran, don't stop with Iran but NK as well.
Oh what the hell, let's just nukes the whole Middle East , Africa (because of that Somolia incident) and Asia.
You can't trust those sneaky Japanese *remembered what they did back in 1941 ?*


Mr. Cheesedog, what you have just said, is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point, in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.
 

hermanntrude

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The West should nukes Iran, don't stop with Iran but NK as well.
Oh what the hell, let's just nukes the whole Middle East , Africa (because of that Somolia incident) and Asia.
You can't trust those sneaky Japanese *remembered what they did back in 1941 ?*

any "nuking" would be bloody stupid and cause harm to the planet as a whole. This kind of post is irresponsible and foolish.
 

ChilliCheeseDog

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bah, those 2 automic bombs were nothing compare to the modern nukes.

Today modern nukes can kills up to millions.

Imagine the death toll if the West launch all its nukes, the West could kill up to 4 or even 5 billion people.
the West then can have the last laugh.
 

Sparrow

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bah, those 2 automic bombs were nothing compare to the modern nukes.

Today modern nukes can kills up to millions.

Imagine the death toll if the West launch all its nukes, the West could kill up to 4 or even 5 billion people.
the West then can have the last laugh.
There is an expression that you make me think of: MAKE SURE YOUR BRAIN IS IN GEAR BEFORE YOU OPEN YOU MOUTH

It would be a good piece of advise for you to follow.
 

#juan

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Wouldn't be any problem if Iran didn't have oil. The west, mainly the U.S. and Britain have been trying to start something with Iran for years. This lastest episode with the captured Brits, is just one of a series of things that are designed to keep things at the boil. I won't go into how the Shah got in power, or how the Iranian people were driven to be ruled by the religious clerics. All the fuss about Iran building a nuclear reactor is just garbage. A nuclear reactor is not a bomb but the U.S. and britain are trying to make the world believe that having a nuclear reactor is just a step or two from having the bomb. It is not. I firmly believe that Iran having a nuclear bomb is no worse than Israel having a bomb. If Iran had a bomb, who would they use it on without ending up a blackened, glow in the dark hole? I don't know either.
 

hermanntrude

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bah, those 2 automic bombs were nothing compare to the modern nukes.

Today modern nukes can kills up to millions.

Imagine the death toll if the West launch all its nukes, the West could kill up to 4 or even 5 billion people.
the West then can have the last laugh.

oh yes because we all laugh when millions die and millions more die of radiation poisoning. Bloody hilarious that is. Shut up.
 

darkbeaver

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"Crippled by a pathological aversion to war, America and Britain sit by silently as Iran develops nuclear weapons, fosters terrorism in Iraq and targets Western interests for total annihilation."

That line from Curiositys article was as far as I had to go, the article is pure crap. Crippled by a pathological aversion to reality is far more accurate.Nobody developes more nuclear weapons than the US or represents a greater threat to world peace.
 

crit13

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I firmly believe that Iran having a nuclear bomb is no worse than Israel having a bomb. If Iran had a bomb, who would they use it on without ending up a blackened, glow in the dark hole? I don't know either.

There is a big difference, Israeli's don't want to die. Iranians look forward to dying in the big war against Israel because they believe they will go straight to heaven and sit next to Allah.

The fear of mutual destruction that kept the cold war from materializing would not stop Ahmedinajad from using nukes.

Why do all you lefties seem to brush off the fact that he has already proclaimed that he wants to wipe Israel off the map. This statement is unprecedented yet the left still look up to him as some sort of demented hero.
 

Tonington

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You actually think the leaders of Iran or any other Islamic nation for that matter would give up their cushy influential lives, to be like those suicide bombers? Doubtful....
 

darkbeaver

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There is a big difference, Israeli's don't want to die. Iranians look forward to dying in the big war against Israel because they believe they will go straight to heaven and sit next to Allah.

The fear of mutual destruction that kept the cold war from materializing would not stop Ahmedinajad from using nukes.

Why do all you lefties seem to brush off the fact that he has already proclaimed that he wants to wipe Israel off the map. This statement is unprecedented yet the left still look up to him as some sort of demented hero.

Why do all the whatever direction you're coming froms neglect to get some copy of the actual translation of Ahmedinajads speech?
 

ChilliCheeseDog

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This is freaking hilarious!
You people are hilarious!

You all stated your opinion on this topic as if it's important and will change the course of history.

Do you people really thinks the opinions of a normal world citizens will changed the current situation in Iran ?

Face it, your opinions, mine opinions don't mean s***t.

The leaders * AKA Bush & Blair* of the West wants to have a legacy, they want to be remembered as the the one who changed the Middle East landscapes in the history books.
No matter how many people dies or young men and women blood get shed.

War with Iran is coming, the latest incident with the Royal Marines captured by Iran is just a series of built up for the war.
*Remembered Jessica whatshername that got capture by Iraqi ?*

Any of you remembered the built up to the Iraq war ?
The 9-11 connection between Sadam and Osama, the mobile chemical trailers, the built up of WMD .

This is the same game plan.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Why do all you lefties seem to brush off the fact that he has already proclaimed that he wants to wipe Israel off the map. This statement is unprecedented...
Not really; the original precedent is almost 60 years old. The Arab states around Israel made essentially the same announcement when Israel was first created, and kept trying for several decades to do it.

I believe the expression they used was pushing them into the sea rather than wiping them off the map, but the effect's the same.
 

CDNBear

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Not really; the original precedent is almost 60 years old. The Arab states around Israel made essentially the same announcement when Israel was first created, and kept trying for several decades to do it.

I believe the expression they used was pushing them into the sea rather than wiping them off the map, but the effect's the same.
A matter of fact, so lost on those that support and defend the actions of the nazi Arab party's.
 

eh1eh

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This is freaking hilarious!
You people are hilarious!

You all stated your opinion on this topic as if it's important and will change the course of history.

Do you people really thinks the opinions of a normal world citizens will changed the current situation in Iran ?

Face it, your opinions, mine opinions don't mean s***t.

The leaders * AKA Bush & Blair* of the West wants to have a legacy, they want to be remembered as the the one who changed the Middle East landscapes in the history books.
No matter how many people dies or young men and women blood get shed.

War with Iran is coming, the latest incident with the Royal Marines captured by Iran is just a series of built up for the war.
*Remembered Jessica whatshername that got capture by Iraqi ?*

Any of you remembered the built up to the Iraq war ?
The 9-11 connection between Sadam and Osama, the mobile chemical trailers, the built up of WMD .

This is the same game plan.

No It's OK. Everybody, almost, is that serious here. It's normal.:cool:
 

CDNBear

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I'm serious, this is what I want Iran to look like in a few years...