Chirac's nuclear fallout talk


darkbeaver
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Wednesday, 07 February 2007 By Gwynne Dyer

Maybe Chirac's gaffe was not as accidental as it seemed. Maybe he wanted people to re-examine all the lies and half-truths we are told about Iran as Washington seems to be gearing up for another attack.

02/07/06 "--" -- -- For over two years all the big Western powers have insisted Iran's nuclear power programme is secretly intended to produce nuclear weapons. And the minute it gets them, it will launch them at Israel.

But last Thursday France's President Jacques Chirac said something very different. He said Iran would never use them first.

"I would say that what is dangerous about this situation is not the fact of [Iran] having a nuclear bomb," Chirac said in reply to a journalist's question, during an interview originally meant to be about climate change.

"[Iran] having one [bomb], or perhaps a second bomb a little later, well, that's not very dangerous."

Shock! Horror! Chirac is bucking the party line, which is that Iran is run by a bunch of fanatical crazies who would immediately use their new nuclear weapons against Israel.

Didn't Iran's own president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, say Iran would wipe Israel from the map? (No, he didn't, actually, but a little creative licence in the translation of his speech from the Farsi can make it sound like he did.)


"Where will [Iran] drop it, this bomb?" Chirac asked scornfully. "On Israel? [The missile] would not have gone 200m into the air before Tehran would be razed to the ground."

He spoke as if deterrence would work even against Iran. As if the country were run by sane human beings who don't want their children to be burned, crushed and vaporized by Israeli and American nuclear weapons. He's not supposed to talk like that in public.

"Chirac gave us a moment of honesty," said Alireza Nourizadeh, chief researcher at the London-based Centre for Arab-Iranian Studies. "His comment was basically what I believe to be the position of Britain, the United States and much of the West. That is if Israel is attacked, there will be no hesitation in bringing retaliation and destruction to Iran."

And that, Chirac concluded, meant Iran would not use its nuclear weapons to attack Israel, should it ever acquire them.

In Chirac's view, the danger is not that Iran would be irresponsible with its nuclear weapons, but that they would lead to a general proliferation of such weapons in the Middle East.

"Why wouldn't Saudi Arabia do it?" he asked. "Why wouldn't it help Egypt to do it as well? That is the real danger."

But he's not supposed to say that either. Those are the West's allies, the very countries the United States is trying to mobilise as the leaders of an anti-Iranian alliance of Sunni Arab countries.

Chirac was simply stating the truth as he (and many others) see it, but his comments completely undermined the joint Western position, so the following day he was forced to retract them.

He still didn't say that he was wrong, however. Just that he had thought he was "off the record" when discussing Iran.

France is clearly worried by the drumbeat of anti-Iranian propaganda in Washington, which sounds alarmingly similar to the campaign of misinformation waged by the Bush Administration before it attacked Iraq.

Last month Chirac was forced to cancel a visit to Tehran by the French foreign minister, Philippe Douste-Blazy, because his allies did not trust France to stick to the party line. They were doubtless right in their suspicions - but France is right, too.

France is right to argue that Iranian nuclear weapons, if they existed, would be primarily defensive and would not be used to attack Israel, because nuclear deterrence still works and Iranians do not want their country to commit suicide.

It is also right to worry that an Iranian bomb would create pressures for further proliferation, as Arab countries that have lived under the threat of Israeli nuclear weapons for 40 years decide that living under the threat of Iranian nuclear weapons as well, with no means of deterrence or retaliation, is simply intolerable.

France is utterly hypocritical in worrying about Middle Eastern countries owning nuclear weapons when it has had them for almost half a century, but that is equally true for all the other great powers.

And it is jumping to conclusions when it assumes Iran's stated (and quite legal) desire to enrich uranium for nuclear power generation conceals a drive to get a nuclear weapon as soon as possible.

The truth may be that Iran is seeking only a "threshold" nuclear weapons capacity - a level of technological expertise from which it could, in an emergency, develop nuclear weapons in only six months or so. Such a position is entirely legal, and some 40 countries currently occupy it.

The truth may also be that the nuclear-armed neighbour Iran really worries about is not Israel but Pakistan, whose 1998 nuclear tests scared Iranian strategists half to death.

Iranians don't worry about the intentions of Pakistan's dictator, General Pervez Musharraf, but they know it is a one-bullet regime and they worry a great deal about what kind of fanatics might succeed him.

So maybe Chirac's gaffe was not as accidental as it seemed. Maybe he wanted people to re-examine all the lies and half-truths we are told about Iran as Washington seems to be gearing up for another attack.


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blugoo
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Yeah, poor little Iran....being picked on by mean ol' Washington and the Western bullies. Iran just wants peace with Israel and its neighbours...hmmm...I thought Iran was telling the world it wanted nuke technology for power generation, now it's for defense? They should make up their mind which cover story they are using...

It's articles and opinions like these that lend more credibility, not less, to the Bush administration and most of the West who argue that Iran is a threat, because the arguments that come from (this) the other side are so utterly ridiculous that they couldn't possibly be true.
 
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Oh ya. One or two bombs, not that dangerous. They only dropped two bombs on Japan.
Tehran would be razed to the ground two minutes after launch. Duh, this would be the perfect excuse for the USA to invade Iran. Not that they need one based on their track record. The could just 'wag the dog' their way in like the last <insert ramdom # here> of conflicts and wars they've started.
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I tend to believe that Iran is building a nuclear reactor, and not nuclear bombs. There is a big difference. Iran has already agreed to let observers in to monitor what is going on. All the crap from the U.S. and Britain is very reminiscent of all the "WMD garbage we heard about Iraq to justify the invasion.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

I tend to believe that Iran is building a nuclear reactor, and not nuclear bombs. There is a big difference. Iran has already agreed to let observers in to monitor what is going on. All the crap from the U.S. and Britain is very reminiscent of all the "WMD garbage we heard about Iraq to justify the invasion.

"Wag the Dog" syndrom.
 
blugoo
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

I tend to believe that Iran is building a nuclear reactor, and not nuclear bombs. There is a big difference. Iran has already agreed to let observers in to monitor what is going on. All the crap from the U.S. and Britain is very reminiscent of all the "WMD garbage we heard about Iraq to justify the invasion.

Just curious #juan, why do you believe Iran? Do you truly think Iran is a benign regime, being completely honest with the world? Or are you simply suspicious when it comes to any position the US takes?

Also, it isn't only Britain and the US who have grave concerns about what Iran is doing...
 
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Chirac also has to tread lightly when it comes to issues with muslims or muslim countries. Remember when two... what's the word?.... "youths" died the other year? Huge riots, because the large muslim population in Frances Urban centers decided they didn't like the government. If Francistan's were seen to be in league with such horrendous kafirs as the US and UK... well that's getting a little dangerous...

And in any case, a country and a culture that believes suicide bombing is a legitimate way to express your feelings should not be allowed to possess the most powerful weapon known to man. The reason no-ones launched nukes since ww2 is because everyone knows that if they do, they will also die. What if people who have no fear of death get it?
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by DorymanView Post

Chirac also has to tread lightly when it comes to issues with muslims or muslim countries. Remember when two... what's the word?.... "youths" died the other year? Huge riots, because the large muslim population in Frances Urban centers decided they didn't like the government. If Francistan's were seen to be in league with such horrendous kafirs as the US and UK... well that's getting a little dangerous...

And in any case, a country and a culture that believes suicide bombing is a legitimate way to express your feelings should not be allowed to possess the most powerful weapon known to man. The reason no-ones launched nukes since ww2 is because everyone knows that if they do, they will also die. What if people who have no fear of death get it?


I'm sorry to burst your bubble here but the riots were about far more the youth not liking the government. What did do to it was the fact they were, and still are, being treated like 2nd class citizens in france. They run into racism daily. They being denied job due to the fact their not the image of what a Franchmen is, in this case it because their not white and christian. So their stuck living in run down over crowded tenments where crime is rife and there is little hope to escape. And these are 2nd or 3rd generation of their families living in france as citizens.

The death of those two youths was the straw that broke the camels back and they let the rest of the counrty know in fine french style. They rioted.
 
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France and Chirac still DO NOT want Iran to develop Nukes or to push further ahaed on their own, all Chirac offered was a different opinion as to why they should not be allowed to do so....ie/ instead of them developing and using them first...it would open up the possibility of proliferation in the region.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by blugooView Post

Just curious #juan, why do you believe Iran? Do you truly think Iran is a benign regime, being completely honest with the world? Or are you simply suspicious when it comes to any position the US takes?

Also, it isn't only Britain and the US who have grave concerns about what Iran is doing...

They said they were building a nuclear reactor for electrical power and they said they would allow monitors in to confirm what they were doing. The fissionable material to fuel a nuclear reactor is not nearly concentrated enough to use in a bomb. Why doesn't the U.S. just send the monitors in and shut up?

Iran was a benign regime when a democratically elected government was overthrown to install the Shah. That would have made everyone trust the U.S.. Right?
 
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Isn't Chirac a bit of fallout himself? lol whatta putz.
 
Doryman
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Quote: Originally Posted by TressonView Post

I'm sorry to burst your bubble here but the riots were about far more the youth not liking the government. What did do to it was the fact they were, and still are, being treated like 2nd class citizens in france. They run into racism daily. They being denied job due to the fact their not the image of what a Franchmen is, in this case it because their not white and christian. So their stuck living in run down over crowded tenments where crime is rife and there is little hope to escape. And these are 2nd or 3rd generation of their families living in france as citizens.

The death of those two youths was the straw that broke the camels back and they let the rest of the counrty know in fine french style. They rioted.


Many of these immigrants barely speak the national language, have little to no education, and consider themselves part of the Ummah, and not French citizens. That's a lot of the problem. They also tend to ghetto-ize themselves, making their own blocs within the country instead of mixing with the population ( remember it is reccomended by the Quran and most Islamic scholars not to mix with the Kafir, lest he poison your mind with his sinfulness). They do not want to assimilate, so they cannot be treated like other french citizens. They deny that they are french citizens at all.

But the French ARE white, so i see your point. It must be their fault.
 
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Isreal would wipe Iran from the face of the planet if a strike was launched at them. The big danger is a radical getting nuclear material and setting off a dirty bomb in Isreal and Iran being able to distance itself from the attack. Isreal would then proceed to attack Lebanon and Syria with all its militray might and invade the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. Anyone opposing would be gunned down. Peace would rule in the middle east at the point of an Uzi and at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives. Isreal has probably the best if not only workable ballistic missle defence.
 
blugoo
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

They said they were building a nuclear reactor for electrical power and they said they would allow monitors in to confirm what they were doing. The fissionable material to fuel a nuclear reactor is not nearly concentrated enough to use in a bomb. Why doesn't the U.S. just send the monitors in and shut up?

Iran was a benign regime when a democratically elected government was overthrown to install the Shah. That would have made everyone trust the U.S.. Right?

So you really take Iran at their word, huh? Hmm...ok. Everyone can have their opinion.

The thing of it is though, Iran isn't trustworthy. Of course they claim it's for generating power. What else would they say? We want to dominate the region, and fund and launch attacks on Israel, with a nuclear deterent to prevent Israel from retaliating?

And monitors, huh? You think Tehran will allow them unfettered access to every facility they have at anytime? What about military sites? You are really going to go on record saying you believe that?

And like I said before, the US isn't the only country concerned about Iran. Canada is as well, of course, Europe has taking a leading role, and even Russia and China are uncomfortable with the situation. The world is rightly worried about a regime like Iran getting nukes, because the high probability of Iran using them, or threatening to use them, makes the region incredibly more volatile and less stable than it even is now. (which of course is saying something)

BTW, I noticed you said Iran was a benign regime. Even you won't say it is now.
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by blugooView Post

So you really take Iran at their word, huh? Hmm...ok. Everyone can have their opinion.

The thing of it is though, Iran isn't trustworthy. Of course they claim it's for generating power. What else would they say? We want to dominate the region, and fund and launch attacks on Israel, with a nuclear deterent to prevent Israel from retaliating?

And monitors, huh? You think Tehran will allow them unfettered access to every facility they have at anytime? What about military sites? You are really going to go on record saying you believe that?

And like I said before, the US isn't the only country concerned about Iran. Canada is as well, of course, Europe has taking a leading role, and even Russia and China are uncomfortable with the situation. The world is rightly worried about a regime like Iran getting nukes, because the high probability of Iran using them, or threatening to use them, makes the region incredibly more volatile and less stable than it even is now. (which of course is saying something)

BTW, I noticed you said Iran was a benign regime. Even you won't say it is now.

Even if Iran did produce a nuke they would have to be the most suicidal nation in history to launch a strike. Like Chirac said it wouldn't get of the ground before Iran was hit. If you believe Iran represents a threat in your life you should turn the lights out and hide under your bed before the islamofascists come with thier aircraft carriers to invade Canada and capture Ottawahahaha.Dosn't seem to bother you that you live next to the biggest stockpile of nukes on the planet and the owners have used them and have threatened to use them again.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by blugooView Post

So you really take Iran at their word, huh? Hmm...ok. Everyone can have their opinion.

The thing of it is though, Iran isn't trustworthy. Of course they claim it's for generating power. What else would they say? We want to dominate the region, and fund and launch attacks on Israel, with a nuclear deterent to prevent Israel from retaliating?

And monitors, huh? You think Tehran will allow them unfettered access to every facility they have at anytime? What about military sites? You are really going to go on record saying you believe that?

And like I said before, the US isn't the only country concerned about Iran. Canada is as well, of course, Europe has taking a leading role, and even Russia and China are uncomfortable with the situation. The world is rightly worried about a regime like Iran getting nukes, because the high probability of Iran using them, or threatening to use them, makes the region incredibly more volatile and less stable than it even is now. (which of course is saying something)

BTW, I noticed you said Iran was a benign regime. Even you won't say it is now.

You don't need a nuclear reactor to build a nuclear bomb. All you need is enough sufficiently concentrated fissionable material and the know how.

Iran isn't trustworthy? Compared to whom? Bush?

Right now, the country that is doing the most to destabilize the world is not Iran.

Does Iran have the capability right now, or even in the next decade to build a nuclear bomb that they could deliver it with anything but a very large truck, or a ship? I doubt it.

If I get stung by a couple dozen bees, can I blame the guy who poked at the hive with stick? I think I can.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

Even if Iran did produce a nuke they would have to be the most suicidal nation in history to launch a strike. Like Chirac said it wouldn't get of the ground before Iran was hit. If you believe Iran represents a threat in your life you should turn the lights out and hide under your bed before the islamofascists come with thier aircraft carriers to invade Canada and capture Ottawahahaha.Dosn't seem to bother you that you live next to the biggest stockpile of nukes on the planet and the owners have used them and have threatened to use them again.

First, you are assuming Iran has a rational, stable finger on the proverbial button. The threat of retaliation to someone who is wanting to bring about a war is less of a deterent that you might think.

And why might they want to bring about a seemingly suicidal war? Well, dig into that issue a little, and it might surprise you...

Second, I didn't say I feared for my life, nor am I an islamophobe, but nice try at a red herring.

What I did say was that Iran having nuclear weapons would cause chaos in the middle east, which it absolutely would. It doesn't have to be taking place right under my nose for me to care if a disaster happens...does it for you?

And I'm curious...exactly who has America threatened to nuke?
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

You don't need a nuclear reactor to build a nuclear bomb. All you need is enough sufficiently concentrated fissionable material and the know how.

Meaning what? That Iran must be telling the truth?

Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

Iran isn't trustworthy? Compared to whom? Bush?

No, compared to uh...trustworthy.

Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

Right now, the country that is doing the most to destabilize the world is not Iran.

Oh, please. I assume you are referring to the United States? This is such a liberal talking point crock.

Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

Does Iran have the capability right now, or even in the next decade to build a nuclear bomb that they could deliver it with anything but a very large truck, or a ship? I doubt it.

So we should wait until they do have fully functional nuclear weapons?

Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

If I get stung by a couple dozen bees, can I blame the guy who poked at the hive with stick? I think I can.

And what if those bees are determined to sting no matter what? Better to at least try to do something about them, than just cower while getting stung.
 
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blugoo you sure have jumped on the band wagon against Iran. Where is your proof? I think you've been watching to much Bush on tv lately. The brainwashing may be starting to work.


I have to laugh at your other post stating that Iran with nuclear weapons will throw the middle east into chaos. As to what is going on now it can't get much worse.

Personally if Iran does have nuclear weapons it may help stabilize the region in the long run by forcing the USA to butt out. Why should the USA and it's lap dog Israel control the middle east. Last I checked Iran and Iraq were independent countries.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

I tend to believe that Iran is building a nuclear reactor, and not nuclear bombs. There is a big difference. Iran has already agreed to let observers in to monitor what is going on. All the crap from the U.S. and Britain is very reminiscent of all the "WMD garbage we heard about Iraq to justify the invasion.

Remember that Ahmadinejad DID say that he wants to wipe Israel from the map.
 
blugoo
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Quote: Originally Posted by DalregView Post

blugoo you sure have jumped on the band wagon against Iran. Where is your proof? I think you've been watching to much Bush on tv lately. The brainwashing may be starting to work.

I have to laugh at your other post stating that Iran with nuclear weapons will throw the middle east into chaos. As to what is going on now it can't get much worse.

Personally if Iran does have nuclear weapons it may help stabilize the region in the long run by forcing the USA to butt out. Why should the USA and it's lap dog Israel control the middle east. Last I checked Iran and Iraq were independent countries.

Are you even aware that the UN has deemed Iran's activities dangerous, and has passed a resolution ordering Iran to cease and desist? The desire among some people to defend, and give the benefit of the doubt to regimes like Iran is baffling...

And I have to laugh at your post saying a nuclear armed Iran wouldn't throw the middle east into chaos. If you think the current state is as bad as it gets....you're incredibly mistaken. Would Israel accept a nuclear Iran? How do you think the Sunni arab nations would react to the Shiite Iran exerting further influence the region? There are many tensions in the middle east, that are much more complex than just blaming America for everything.
 
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American fury at Iran bombs



Deadly ... Iranian mortar bomb which the US put on display. Private Luke Simpson, right



February 12, 2007


THE US yesterday accused Iran of training Iraqi militants and arming them with weapons and explosives to kill American troops.


Senior coalition officials said the “highest levels” of Iran’s regime were responsible for aiding Shia militias in Iraq.

Officials presented evidence of Iranian-made roadside bombs and projectile explosives found in Iraq.

Meanwhile, tributes were paid to the 101st British soldier to die in action in Iraq.

Private Luke Simpson, 21, of the 1st Battalion, the Yorkshire Regiment, was killed by a roadside bomb near Basra on Friday.

His commanding officer, Lt Col Andrew Jackson, praised his “passion and zest for life”.

** A SUICIDE bomber drove a truck packed with explosives into a police station near Baghdad yesterday, killing at least 15 people.

thesun.co.uk
 
Avro
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The U.S. is over stretched in Iraq so it can't attack Iran unless it is minor air strikes but that would only help the regime in Tehran.

Plus the U.S. has zero credibility in the world and it's own population as a result of the lies about Iraq.
 
darkbeaver
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The script on the bombs is not decipherable by Iranians.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by AvroView Post

The U.S. is over stretched in Iraq so it can't attack Iran unless it is minor air strikes but that would only help the regime in Tehran.

Plus the U.S. has zero credibility in the world and it's own population as a result of the lies about Iraq.

That won't stop the attack however, the plan from the beginning has been to sieze the whole region,
while things appear to be out of control in Iraq that's not necessarily a bad thing for the Americans,
afterall they have blamed the situation on Iran which if they don't take out makes the whole adventure crumble which takes out the Empire, they must remove Iran from the picture the economy needs the big win.
 
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Fight against Iran too familiar

By Eric Margolis

While the Bush/Cheney administration seems hell-bent on provoking war with Iran, Americans appear far more alarmed by the dangers of global warming. Many of them must regret not voting for "Ecological Al" Gore in 2000.
While icebergs melt, the U.S.-Iran confrontation is getting very dangerous. The heaviest concentration of U.S. naval strike forces since the 2003 war against Iraq is concentrating off Iran.
In a disturbing replay of that conflict, CIA drones and U.S. Air Force recon aircraft -- along with U.S. and British Special Forces -- are overflying Iran and probing its nuclear and military installations. CIA and Britain's MI6 are stirring unrest among Iran's Kurds and Azerbaijanis, and arming Iranian Marxist and royalist exiles.
A belligerent President George Bush ordered U.S. forces in Iraq to "kill" Iranian agents or diplomats who appear threatening.
U.S. troops in northern Iraq broke into an Iranian liaison office and arrested its military staff. Bush unblushingly warns Iran, not to "meddle" in neighbouring Iraq.
Pentagon sources accused Iran of smuggling weapons and explosives to "Iraqi insurgents;" though the "insurgents" are in fact Shia militiamen allied to the U.S.-installed Baghdad regime. Half of the 21,000 additional U.S. troops headed to Iraq are being positioned to cover the Iranian border and block an Iranian threat to the main U.S. -Kuwait-Baghdad supply line.
New contingents of U.S. Air Force personnel and warplanes are arriving at key forward air bases in Bulgaria and Romania that link the U.S. to the Mideast and Central Asia. U.S. bases in Britain, Germany, Diego Garcia, the Persian Gulf, Central Asia, and Pakistan are reported on heightened alert. Turkey is being pressed to allow U.S. and Israeli strike aircraft to use its air space to attack northern Iran.
The Pentagon's latest strike plan against Iran includes more than 2,300 "high value" targets such as its dispersed nuclear infrastructure and, worryingly, operating reactors, air and naval bases, ports, telecommunications, air defences, military factories, energy networks and government buildings.
Iran's water and sewage systems, bridges, food storage, and bomb shelters could also be targeted, as were Iraq's in 2001.
The U.S. Treasury has mounted a highly effective campaign to strangle Iran financially, seriously hurting its foreign banking connections, retarding industrial growth and energy production, and impeding foreign investment.
The Bush administration and close ally Israel have sharply intensified their war of words against Iran, claiming, implausibly, it poses a nuclear threat to the entire world.
Israeli threats
Politicians in Israel are in dangerous emotional overdrive and making open threats to attack Iran. They claim Iran is a new Nazi Germany and Israel faces a second Holocaust -- in spite of its powerful triad of nuclear forces that can survive any surprise attack.
Though UN inspectors find no evidence Iran is producing nuclear weapons, Tehran, like Saddam's Iraq, is being told to prove an impossible negative -- that it has no nuclear weapons.
With disturbing deja vu, the U.S. Congress and media are swallowing the administration's torrent of unproven allegations against Iran precisely the way they lapped up its grotesque lies about Iraq.
Intelligence analysts would conclude either: Washington is trying to bluff Tehran to abandon its entirely legal but worrisome civilian nuclear power program and thus claim a major victory after so many defeats. Or, the cornered Bush/Cheney administration is trying to provoke an air and naval war against Iran as a last desperate, ideologically driven assault against the Muslim world, and divert attention from its Iraq debacle.
'Not very dangerous'
Amid growing war fever, this week France's President Jacques Chirac sensibly observed, off the record, that even if Iran had a few nuclear weapons for self-defence, "it is not very dangerous."
Iran would be obliterated by U.S. and Israeli nuclear counterstrikes if it ever used its nukes against Israel, noted Chirac, and is unlikely to commit national suicide.
After his comments became public, Chirac retracted them when Washington's French-haters went apoplectic. But, as he did before Bush's 2003 war against Iraq, Chirac spoke with logic and good sense.

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Colum...f-3522931.html
 
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Fight against Iran too familiar

By Eric Margolis

While the Bush/Cheney administration seems hell-bent on provoking war with Iran, Americans appear far more alarmed by the dangers of global warming. Many of them must regret not voting for "Ecological Al" Gore in 2000.
While icebergs melt, the U.S.-Iran confrontation is getting very dangerous. The heaviest concentration of U.S. naval strike forces since the 2003 war against Iraq is concentrating off Iran.
In a disturbing replay of that conflict, CIA drones and U.S. Air Force recon aircraft -- along with U.S. and British Special Forces -- are overflying Iran and probing its nuclear and military installations. CIA and Britain's MI6 are stirring unrest among Iran's Kurds and Azerbaijanis, and arming Iranian Marxist and royalist exiles.
A belligerent President George Bush ordered U.S. forces in Iraq to "kill" Iranian agents or diplomats who appear threatening.
U.S. troops in northern Iraq broke into an Iranian liaison office and arrested its military staff. Bush unblushingly warns Iran, not to "meddle" in neighbouring Iraq.
Pentagon sources accused Iran of smuggling weapons and explosives to "Iraqi insurgents;" though the "insurgents" are in fact Shia militiamen allied to the U.S.-installed Baghdad regime. Half of the 21,000 additional U.S. troops headed to Iraq are being positioned to cover the Iranian border and block an Iranian threat to the main U.S. -Kuwait-Baghdad supply line.
New contingents of U.S. Air Force personnel and warplanes are arriving at key forward air bases in Bulgaria and Romania that link the U.S. to the Mideast and Central Asia. U.S. bases in Britain, Germany, Diego Garcia, the Persian Gulf, Central Asia, and Pakistan are reported on heightened alert. Turkey is being pressed to allow U.S. and Israeli strike aircraft to use its air space to attack northern Iran.
The Pentagon's latest strike plan against Iran includes more than 2,300 "high value" targets such as its dispersed nuclear infrastructure and, worryingly, operating reactors, air and naval bases, ports, telecommunications, air defences, military factories, energy networks and government buildings.
Iran's water and sewage systems, bridges, food storage, and bomb shelters could also be targeted, as were Iraq's in 2001.
The U.S. Treasury has mounted a highly effective campaign to strangle Iran financially, seriously hurting its foreign banking connections, retarding industrial growth and energy production, and impeding foreign investment.
The Bush administration and close ally Israel have sharply intensified their war of words against Iran, claiming, implausibly, it poses a nuclear threat to the entire world.
Israeli threats
Politicians in Israel are in dangerous emotional overdrive and making open threats to attack Iran. They claim Iran is a new Nazi Germany and Israel faces a second Holocaust -- in spite of its powerful triad of nuclear forces that can survive any surprise attack.
Though UN inspectors find no evidence Iran is producing nuclear weapons, Tehran, like Saddam's Iraq, is being told to prove an impossible negative -- that it has no nuclear weapons.
With disturbing deja vu, the U.S. Congress and media are swallowing the administration's torrent of unproven allegations against Iran precisely the way they lapped up its grotesque lies about Iraq.
Intelligence analysts would conclude either: Washington is trying to bluff Tehran to abandon its entirely legal but worrisome civilian nuclear power program and thus claim a major victory after so many defeats. Or, the cornered Bush/Cheney administration is trying to provoke an air and naval war against Iran as a last desperate, ideologically driven assault against the Muslim world, and divert attention from its Iraq debacle.
'Not very dangerous'
Amid growing war fever, this week France's President Jacques Chirac sensibly observed, off the record, that even if Iran had a few nuclear weapons for self-defence, "it is not very dangerous."
Iran would be obliterated by U.S. and Israeli nuclear counterstrikes if it ever used its nukes against Israel, noted Chirac, and is unlikely to commit national suicide.
After his comments became public, Chirac retracted them when Washington's French-haters went apoplectic. But, as he did before Bush's 2003 war against Iraq, Chirac spoke with logic and good sense.
 
blugoo
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Just curious...

Does anyone else know that the EU (which includes even France) has decided to impose sanctions on Iran for failing to comply in halting uranium enrichment?

Not just America, not even just Britain....the European Union is taking action.

So tell me again how the Bush administration is the only one in the world who has a problem with Iran?
 
hermanntrude
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difference is we're not the one's sending drones and spies into iran with orders to kill people who look suspicious
 
blugoo
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Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrudeView Post

difference is we're not the one's sending drones and spies into iran with orders to kill people who look suspicious

That order you are referring to applies to Iranians believed to be working with insurgents in IRAQ, not Iran.
 

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