Israeli Untouched War Crime Qana 1996

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The shelling of Qana took place on April 18, 1996 in Qana, a village located southeast of Tyre, in Southern Lebanon, when Israeli artillery, returning fire against Hezbollah forces in the area, hit a UN compound in the village. Around 800 Lebanese civilians had taken refuge there to escape the fighting, of whom 106 were killed and around 116 others injured. Four Fijian United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon soldiers were also seriously injured. [1][2]
The incident took place amid heavy fighting between the Israeli Defense Forces and Hezbollah during "Operation Grapes of Wrath". Israeli, U.N. and U.S. officials accused Hezbollah of using civilian refugees as human shields by opening fire from positions near the UN compound. A United Nations military investigation later determined it was unlikely that Israeli shelling of the U.N. compound was the result of technical or procedural errors.[3]
The incident has been widely referred to as a massacre (for example, by Human Rights Watch[4] and the BBC[5]) or, since the 2006 Qana airstrike, as the first Qana massacre. This characterisation is rejected by Israel and its supporters[edit] Shelling of UN compound

The scene shortly after the attack


The conflict intensified and thousands of Lebanese civilians sought to flee the area and find safe refuge from the fighting. By 14 April, 745 people were occupying the United Nations compound at Qana. More than 800 were there on April 18.[10]
Beginning with the second day of combat Israel had been retaliating within 10 minutes directly at any source of fire discovered by reconnaisance. This tactic was widely discussed in Israeli media, and well known to the Hezbollah fighters and Lebanese citizens.
According to a U.N. report, on April 18, Hezbollah fighters fired two or three Katyusha rockets and between five and eight mortars at Israeli soldiers near the so-called Red Line (the northern limits of the "security zone") from positions about 220 meters southwest and 350 meters southeast of the United Nations compound. 15 minutes later an Israeli unit responded by shelling the area with M-109A2 155 mm guns.[11] According to the Israeli military, thirty eight shells were fired, two-thirds of them equipped with proximity fuses, an anti-personnel mechanism that causes the weapon to explode above the ground. The UN investigation found that 13 shells exploded within or above the compound and 4 "very close to it."[12]
As a result of the shelling, 106 civilians died, with more wounded. Most of the casualties were residents of nearby villages who had fled the conflict, while four were UN troops.

[edit] Response of Israel


UN Troops assemble victims of the shelling (This image is from a raw and an edited video supplied by Al Manar TV in Beirut, April, 1996).


Israel immediately expressed regret for the loss of innocent lives, saying that the Hezbollah position and not the UN compound was the intended target of the shelling, and that the compound was hit "due to incorrect targeting based on erroneous data." Army Deputy Chief of Staff, Matan Vilnai stated that the shells hit the base not because they were off target, but because Israeli gunners used outdated maps of the area. He also stated that the gunners miscalculated the firing range of the shells.
Prime Minister Shimon Peres claimed that "We did not know that several hundred people were concentrated in that camp. It came to us as a bitter surprise."[13] Following the attack, Lt.-Gen. Amnon Shahak, Israel's chief of staff, at a press conference in Tel Aviv on April 18 defended the shelling: "I don't see any mistake in judgment… We fought Hezbollah there [in Qana], and when they fire on us, we will fire at them to defend ourselves… I don't know any other rules of the game, either for the army or for civilians…"[14].
When he met CNN’s Peter Arnett near Jalalabad in March 1997, he mentioned Qana several times, saying that "the mention of the U.S. reminds us before everything else of those innocent children who were dismembered, their heads and arms cut off in the recent explosion that took pace in Qana," and said further that this would have consequences for American civilians: "As for what you asked regarding the American people, they are not exonerated from responsibility, because they chose this government and voted for it despite their knowledge of its crimes in Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq, and in other places, and its support of its client regimes who filled their prisons with our best children and scholars… The U.S. today, as a result of this arrogance, has set a double standard, calling whoever goes against its injustice a terrorist. It wants to occupy our countries, steal our resoures, install collaborators to rule us with man-made laws, and wants us to agree on all these issues… we find that it judges the behaviour of the poor Palestinian children whose country was occupied: if they throw stones against the Israeli occupation it says they are terrorists, whereas when the Israeli pilots bombed the United Nations building in Qana, Lebanon, while it was full of children and women, the US stopped any plan to condemn Israel.”
Both the U.S. and Israel accused Hezbollah of "shielding", the use of civilians as a cover for military activities, which is a breach of the laws of war. The U.S. State Department spokesperson, Nicolas Burns stated, "Hezbollah [is] using civilians as cover. That's a despicable thing to do, an evil thing."[15] and Prime Minister Shimon Peres cited the use of human shielding to blame Hezbollah. On April 18 he said, "They used them as a shield, they used the UN as a shield — the UN admitted it."[16] Rabbi Yehuda Amital, a member of Peres' cabinet, called the Qana killings a desecration of God's name (chilul hashem).[17]

[edit] Investigation by UN

The UN appointed military advisor Major-General Franklin van Kappen of the Netherlands to investigate the incident. His conclusions were:


(a) The distribution of impacts at Qana shows two distinct concentrations, whose mean points of impact are about 140 metres apart. If the guns were converged, as stated by the Israeli forces, there should have been only one main point of impact. (b) The pattern of impacts is inconsistent with a normal overshooting of the declared target (the mortar site) by a few rounds, as suggested by the Israeli forces.
(c) During the shelling, there was a perceptible shift in the weight of fire from the mortar site to the United Nations compound.
(d) The distribution of point impact detonations and air bursts makes it improbable that impact fuses and proximity fuses were employed in random order, as stated by the Israeli forces.
(e) There were no impacts in the second target area which the Israeli forces claim to have shelled.
(f) Contrary to repeated denials, two Israeli helicopters and a remotely piloted vehicle were present in the Qana area at the time of the shelling.
While the possibility cannot be ruled out completely, it is unlikely that the shelling of the United Nations compound was the result of gross technical and/or procedural errors.[18]

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I really don't think this war crime by Israel will ever be prosecuted. As usual, it will likely be given a cursory investigation at best, and then whitewashed.
 

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This crime happened 10 years ago. It's sad but it will not be investigated, not now at least. I still don't how people could justify targetting a clearly marked U.N post filled with hundreds of refugees from the village and then say, its not israeli's fault for that.

Kinds of remind me of the U.N. post attack in 2006 that killed the 4 peacekeepers, blaming the dead for being there.
 

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I mentioned all this on another thread a while ago and the answer was that, somehow, Hezbollah was at fault. As usual, blame the victim.

Yeah it seems to be in Western society to blame the victim for such instances. Not the wonderful Israeli state that has committed even more war crimes then these.
 

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Yeah it seems to be in Western society to blame the victim for such instances. Not the wonderful Israeli state that has committed even more war crimes then these.

Hezbollah, the "victim".

• HEZBOLLAH ATTACKED PRIVATE CITIZENS & PROPERTY TARGET (APR. 7, 2005, ISRAEL)
• HEZBOLLAH ATTACKED EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS TARGET (MAR. 3, 2004, YEMEN)

• HEZBOLLAH ATTACKED PRIVATE CITIZENS & PROPERTY TARGET (AUG. 10, 2003, ISRAEL)

• Hezbollah fired anti aircraft shells in the vicinity of Birait in the western sector of the Lebanese border. (JAN. 6, 2003, ISRAEL)

• HEZBOLLAH ATTACKED houses belonging to senior members of the former Israeli-allied South Lebanon Army militia (AUG. 7, 2001, LEBANON)

• Abu Nidal Organization (ANO) and Hezbollah attacked Religious Figures/Institutions target (Mar. 29, 1989, Belgium)
• Action Directe and Hezbollah attacked Business target (Apr. 13, 1985, France)
• Committee of Solidarity with Arab and Middle East Political Prisoners (CSPPA) and Hezbollah attacked Transportation target (Mar. 18, 1986, France)
• Hamas and Hezbollah attacked Military target (Mar. 21, 1991, Israel)
• Hezbollah and Islamic Movement for Change attacked Military target (June 25, 1996, Saudi Arabia)
• Hezbollah and Islamic Salvation Front attacked Airports & Airlines target (Aug. 26, 1992, Algeria)
• Hezbollah and Khaibar Brigades attacked Diplomatic target (Mar. 22, 1985, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah and Lebanese National Resistance Front attacked Military target (Mar. 10, 1985, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah and Other Group attacked Airports & Airlines target (Dec. 25, 1986, Iraq)
• Hezbollah and Other Group attacked Diplomatic target (Apr. 18, 1983, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah and Other Group attacked Diplomatic target (Jan. 5, 1989, Thailand)
• Hezbollah and Other Group attacked Military target (Apr. 12, 1985, Spain)
• Hezbollah and Other Group attacked Other target (Feb. 6, 1984, France)
• Hezbollah and Other Group attacked Tourists target (Feb. 4, 1990, Egypt)
• Hezbollah and al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya (GAI) attacked Government target (June 26, 1995, Ethiopia)
• Hezbollah and al-Qaeda attacked Military target (Nov. 13, 1995, Saudi Arabia)
• Hezbollah attacked Airports & Airlines target (Apr. 5, 1988, Thailand)
• Hezbollah attacked Airports & Airlines target (Aug. 28, 1985, Turkey)
• Hezbollah attacked Airports & Airlines target (Dec. 12, 1983, Kuwait)
• Hezbollah attacked Airports & Airlines target (Dec. 4, 1984, Iran)
• Hezbollah attacked Airports & Airlines target (July 22, 1985, Denmark)
• Hezbollah attacked Airports & Airlines target (July 22, 1985, Denmark)
• Hezbollah attacked Airports & Airlines target (July 24, 1987, Congo, Republic of the)
• Hezbollah attacked Airports & Airlines target (June 7, 1985, Greece)
• Hezbollah attacked Airports & Airlines target (Sept. 19, 1989, Chad)
• Hezbollah attacked Business target (Aug. 1, 1987, Tunisia)
• Hezbollah attacked Business target (Feb. 8, 1986, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Business target (Jan. 17, 1987, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Business target (Jan. 20, 1987, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Business target (June 6, 1995, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Business target (Mar. 29, 1985, France)
• Hezbollah attacked Business target (May 29, 1986, Egypt)
• Hezbollah attacked Business target (Nov. 17, 1993, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Business target (Nov. 28, 1995, Turkey)
• Hezbollah attacked Business target (Sept. 12, 1986, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Business target (Sept. 7, 1987, France)
• Hezbollah attacked Business target (Sept. 9, 1987, France)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Aug. 24, 1984, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Aug. 7, 1991, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Dec. 12, 1983, Kuwait)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Dec. 12, 1983, Kuwait)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Dec. 27, 1988, Pakistan)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Feb. 20, 1991, Iran)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Feb. 20, 1991, Iran)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Feb. 20, 1991, Iran)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Jan. 17, 1984, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Jan. 8, 1987, Cyprus)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (July 13, 1985, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (July 26, 1986, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (June 6, 1984, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Mar. 16, 1984, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Mar. 17, 1992, Argentina)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Mar. 22, 1985, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Mar. 25, 1991, Turkey)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Mar. 27, 1984, Iraq)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Mar. 7, 1992, Turkey)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (May 20, 1986, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (May 5, 1990, Jordan)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Nov. 1, 1989, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Nov. 1, 1989, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Nov. 27, 1984, Italy)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Oct. 10, 1984, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Oct. 16, 1989, Turkey)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Oct. 25, 1988, Turkey)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Sept. 20, 1984, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Sept. 4, 1985, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Educational Institutions target (Apr. 3, 1987, Egypt)
• Hezbollah attacked Educational Institutions target (Feb. 10, 1984, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Educational Institutions target (Jan. 18, 1984, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Educational Institutions target (Jan. 24, 1987, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Educational Institutions target (Mar. 3, 2004, Yemen)
• Hezbollah attacked Educational Institutions target (May 27, 1985, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Educational Institutions target (May 28, 1985, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Educational Institutions target (Sept. 26, 1985, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Educational Institutions target (Sept. 9, 1986, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Government target (May 25, 1985, Kuwait)
• Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (Feb. 10, 1988, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (Jan. 13, 1987, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (July 3, 1991, Italy)
• Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (June 17, 1987, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (June 27, 1985, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (Mar. 16, 1985, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (Mar. 7, 1984, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (Mar. 7, 1990, Turkey)
• Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (Mar. 8, 1986, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (May 26, 1985, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (Oct. 24, 1984, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (Sept. 28, 1986, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (Aug. 1, 1984, Egypt)
• Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (Aug. 15, 1984, Egypt)
• Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (Aug. 5, 1984, Egypt)
• Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (July 28, 1984, Egypt)
• Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (July 28, 1984, Egypt)
• Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (July 28, 1984, Egypt)
• Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (July 9, 1984, Egypt)
• Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (July 9, 1984, Egypt)
• Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (July 9, 1984, Egypt)
• Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (Sept. 20, 1984, Egypt)
• Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (Sept. 27, 1985, Egypt)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (Apr. 13, 1993, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (Apr. 18, 1987, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (Aug. 10, 1996, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (Aug. 19, 1993, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (Aug. 9, 1989, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (Dec. 16, 1988, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (Feb. 17, 1988, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (Feb. 18, 1987, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (Jan. 14, 1985, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (Jan. 29, 1997, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (Jan. 8, 1985, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (Jan. 8, 1998, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (June 1, 1989, Cote d'Ivoire)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (June 10, 1996, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (June 29, 1993, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (Mar. 16, 1983, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (Mar. 7, 1994, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (Mar. 9, 1989, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (May 1, 1993, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (May 19, 1985, Saudi Arabia)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (May 26, 1988, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (May 30, 1996, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (Nov. 9, 1989, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (Oct. 19, 1988, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (Oct. 23, 1983, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Military target (Oct. 23, 1983, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked NGO target (Aug. 7, 1991, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked NGO target (May 16, 1989, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked NGO target (May 25, 1988, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked NGO target (May 4, 1989, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Other target (Aug. 28, 1986, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Other target (Aug. 7, 2001, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Other target (Aug. 8, 1991, France)
• Hezbollah attacked Other target (Feb. 15, 1984, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Other target (Jan. 10, 1987, Cyprus)
• Hezbollah attacked Other target (Jan. 23, 1987, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Other target (Jan. 27, 1988, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Other target (July 18, 1987, United Kingdom)
• Hezbollah attacked Other target (June 11, 1994, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Other target (May 26, 1985, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Other target (May 7, 1986, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Other target (Oct. 1, 1987, United Kingdom)
• Hezbollah attacked Other target (Oct. 21, 1986, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Other target (Sept. 14, 1984, Spain)
• Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Apr. 7, 2005, Israel)
• Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Apr. 9, 1996, Israel)
• Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Aug. 10, 2003, Israel)
• Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Dec. 23, 1998, Israel)
• Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Mar. 1, 1993, Israel)
• Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Mar. 30, 1996, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Mar. 31, 1995, Israel)
• Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Mar. 31, 1998, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (May 19, 1985, Saudi Arabia)
• Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (May 5, 1995, Israel)
• Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Nov. 27, 1995, Israel)
• Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Oct. 11, 1998, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Religious Figures/Institutions target (Jan. 30, 1987, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Religious Figures/Institutions target (Jan. 8, 1985, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Religious Figures/Institutions target (July 22, 1985, Denmark)
• Hezbollah attacked Religious Figures/Institutions target (July 22, 1985, Denmark)
• Hezbollah attacked Religious Figures/Institutions target (May 10, 1984, Lebanon)
• Hezbollah attacked Tourists target (June 23, 1995, Israel)
• Hezbollah attacked Unknown target (Jan. 6, 2003, Israel)
• Hezbollah attacked Unknown target (June 23, 1986, Egypt)
• Hezbollah attacked Unknown target (May 25, 1998, Israel)
• Hezbollah attacked Utilities target (Aug. 15, 1987, Saudi Arabia)
• Hezbollah attacked Utilities target (Dec. 12, 1983, Kuwait

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That listing is about as accurate as the weather forecast.

That entire list is a CIA/Mossad fabrication. The fact is that Hezbollah is Shiia and has nothing to do with Sunni politics such as that which occurs in Saudi Arabia or Yemen. Therefore, it would NEVER target anyone in those areas. Abu Nidal was Sunni and the Shiia were his principal targets so that the listed "alliance" above is total horse sh*t.

You obviously do not know the subject matter or you would never have posted such a ridiculously wrong list. But thanks for posting it as it shows your ignorance which is obviously borne of bigotry and hatred.
 

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That listing is about as accurate as the weather forecast.

That entire list is a CIA/Mossad fabrication. The fact is that Hezbollah is Shiia and has nothing to do with Sunni politics such as that which occurs in Saudi Arabia or Yemen. Therefore, it would NEVER target anyone in those areas. Abu Nidal was Sunni and the Shiia were his principal targets so that the listed "alliance" above is total horse sh*t.

You obviously do not know the subject matter or you would never have posted such a ridiculously wrong list. But thanks for posting it as it shows your ignorance which is obviously borne of bigotry and hatred.

Of course it's a fabrication, it's impossible for you to concieve anybody from the Middle East doing anything wrong. Nope, not them, it's all about the evil West and it's ways. I'm glad your stuck behind a monitor and and in the US, had you been residing anywhere in the Middle East where the Hezbollah "victims" are located, you would be singing to a different tune.

Keep the blinders on, the rest will protect your sorry ass existance.
 

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Hezbollah is a terrorist organization that is threatening the very existance of a Free Lebanon. Hezbollah is an extension of the Syrian army and it isn't wanted in Lebanon. It's the true enemy of Lebanon.

Here's an article to mull over.

Beirut & Washington - Lebanese leader Walid Jumblatt has warned that Hezbollah's advocated street demonstrations to topple PM Fouad Siniora's government will paralyze the country and cause "chaos."


Jumblatt 's comments were made Tuesday during a panel discussion at the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington, at the end of a U.S. visit where he met with top U.S. officials.
On Hezbollah's demands for the formation of a national unity government, Jumblatt said that the Shiite group and its Christian ally General Michel Aoun intended to form a new cabinet so they could control one-third of the government.
If the current government is overthrown, Jumblatt said, "the country would live in paralysis."
He said that the reason behind this demand "is to cause chaos, stop the international tribunal" and interrupt the implementation of U.N. resolutions."
The idea for the international tribunal to try suspects in the assassination of Premier Rafik Hariri, was floated in March by U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan.

Hariri was killed along with 22 others in a massive truck bombing in Beirut in February 2005, sparking large anti-Syrian protests in Beirut and leading, along with international pressure, to the withdrawal of Syrian troops from Lebanon that ended nearly 30 years of military presence.

About means to disarm Hezbollah, Jumblatt said that "we should persuade (Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali) Khamenei," adding that "our problem with Hezbollah is that it (the group) is an arc that begins in Lebanon, passes through Syria and ends in Iran."
Jumblatt emphasized the significance of establishing an international tribunal which is the only way "to deter the Syrian regime and bring the (suspected) leaders before justice, including Damascus' ruler," a reference to Syrian President Bashar Assad.
"Without the international tribunal, Bashar Assad will not leave us in peace," he said.
Jumblatt accused Syria of wanting to keep the issue of the Shebaa Farms area "vague," describing it as a "Syrian trick."

Shebaa lies at the convergence of the Lebanese-Syrian-Israeli borders. Israel captured the area from Syria in the 1967 Middle East war, and it is now claimed by Lebanon with Damascus's consent.
Israeli troops have retained control of Shebaa Farms since their withdrawal from south Lebanon in May 2000 after two decades of occupation and has remained the flashpoint for cross-border fighting since then.

Jumblatt said that the anti-Syrian March 14 Forces had suggested during the first round of national talks earlier in March that Lebanon adopt the Swiss system where every Swiss is an army member.

Jumblatt said that Nasrallah has to choose between wanting to be "part of Lebanon and adhere to the Lebanese law … or be a state within the state, which is the current situation."
Source: Naharnet
 

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Hezbollah is a terrorist organization that is threatening the very existance of a Free Lebanon. Hezbollah is an extension of the Syrian army and it isn't wanted in Lebanon. It's the true enemy of Lebanon.

Where do you make this stuff up? Israel has systematically attacked and ruined Lebanon, so that it is never a competing state. That's not to mention the Litani River (a source of water coveted by Israel), and the new pipeline from Turkey, into the Med, past Lebanon for Israel.

Nasrallah has stated that Hezbollah will only attack when Israel attacks Lebanon. He has been true to his word.

And we don't even need to bring up the Mossad false-flag assasination of Hariri.

Tell me, is your fiction deliberate, or accidental?
 

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I didn't write the article sunshine, I just posted it. I have numerous friends from Lebanon and they don't want these terrorist there, how long do you think it will be before the Christians will be run out or slaughtered in the name of Allah by Hezbollah. An organization that is funded and paid for by Syria, in fact they would like to see Israel and the US deal with Syria.
 

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I didn't write the article sunshine, I just posted it. I have numerous friends from Lebanon and they don't want these terrorist there, how long do you think it will be before the Christians will be run out or slaughtered in the name of Allah by Hezbollah. An organization that is funded and paid for by Syria, in fact they would like to see Israel and the US deal with Syria.

Oh, I knew you didn't write it. I doubt anyone could make that mistake.

Good for your friends, and I hope they are all safe. They are right, in that terrorists, like the IDF should never again be let into Lebanon. Fortunately, Hezbollah is there to offer them protection against Israeli acts of terror. The Christians also gave Hezbollah much support during the recent, failed invasion by Israel.

No idea when Christians will be slaughtered "in the name of Allah" as you put it. Have you got any idea when Mossad is going to run that false flag operation to make your wush come true?
 

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Oh, I knew you didn't write it. I doubt anyone could make that mistake.

Good for your friends, and I hope they are all safe. They are right, in that terrorists, like the IDF should never again be let into Lebanon. Fortunately, Hezbollah is there to offer them protection against Israeli acts of terror. The Christians also gave Hezbollah much support during the recent, failed invasion by Israel.

No idea when Christians will be slaughtered "in the name of Allah" as you put it. Have you got any idea when Mossad is going to run that false flag operation to make your wush come true?

My my my.

Here's some facts for you:

Israel was attacked by Lebanon in 1948, and is STILL officially at war with that state. So much for unprovoked attacks....


Hezbollah is a supporter of genocide. It's leader expressed a wish that ALL Jews emigrate to Israel, so thety could be conveniently murdered in one place.

Hezbollah has murdered Lebanese Jews for simply being Jews.

Hezbollah blew up a Jewish community centre in Argentina, for God's sake. Perhaps you could explain to me what the murder of Jews in Argentina has to do with self-defense in Lebanon?

Not that I expect an answer........an insult perhaps, but not an answer.

I suspect your time on this forum will be limited, unless you actually attempt a debate.
 

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Sassy I think you know zippo about what is going on in lebanon. Since 40% of Lebanon is Christian I don't think the ****es which make nearly 30% could wipe them out in such a divided country.

Your just putting your racist ideas against Islam like you always do. So your posts are pointless.
 

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I still don't believe the 100+ innocent people who were murdered by the Israeli action has anything to do with Hezbollah. So nice try trying to blame the victims of Israeli action where they directly targetted the U.N compound just like they did in 2006 but it is not going to cut it.

The people who died in 1996 and 2006 were innocent people and nothing from Israeli supporters is ever going to change that.
 

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I think not said:
Of course it's a fabrication.

Keep the blinders on, the rest will protect your sorry ass existance.



Haha! Abu Nidal as an "ally" of the Shiia whom he regarded as Kaffir and hated more than he hated the West? Yes, it shows just how bright you really are.

Oh, BTW, why not post more "proof" that there are massive amounts of WMD in Iraq and that there are little green men on the planet Mars?

Yes, ignorance is bliss for Orwellian reichsters like you but it sure as hell isn't for the rest of us.

... keep trying ...
 

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My my my.

Here's some facts for you:

Israel was attacked by Lebanon in 1948, and is STILL officially at war with that state. So much for unprovoked attacks.....

You are not going back far enough. The creation of Israel was an attack on some Arab nations. Some of the earliest terrorists of the region were futre Israeli leaders, ie., Menachim (sp?) Begin, generally upon British troops, but also with Arab and Jewish casualties.

But you are not too clever trying to track this back to just short of where the trouble in the region started. We were talking about Nasrallah, the current Hezbollah leader. He has been true to his word and has only retaliated, and not initiated any attacks upon Israel.

My my my.
Hezbollah is a supporter of genocide. It's leader expressed a wish that ALL Jews emigrate to Israel, so thety could be conveniently murdered in one place.

Colpy, just cuz you say it, doesn't make it so. We need some facts here, please. Which leader? When was it said? How was it verified? Which Israeli atrocity caused that statement to be made, if it was made at all? Facts and cites please.

Hezbollah has murdered Lebanese Jews for simply being Jews.

Once again, how about some facts please? Got an url? A cite? Back this up, please.

Hezbollah blew up a Jewish community centre in Argentina, for God's sake. Perhaps you could explain to me what the murder of Jews in Argentina has to do with self-defense in Lebanon?

Got any support for this? I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I would be extremely suspect of a Hezbollah action outside of its immediate geographic sphere. It would make no sense. Sounds like another Mossad false flag operation.

Not that I expect an answer........an insult perhaps, but not an answer.

I never insult, Colpy. I just call it like I see it. I await a debate, but just posting things you feel like saying, without any factual basis or support, does not make you a master debater, regardless of how you may wish to picture yourself as one.

I suspect your time on this forum will be limited, unless you actually attempt a debate.

We are all at the mercy of a forum's moderator. Some of us more so than others.

I am still waiting for you to post a fact, supported by an unbiased source. From what I have read in here by you, at least in this thread, you have yet to start debating.

Now, getting back to the subject, what are your views on Israel's war crimes at Qana? Do you feel Israel should not be punished for bombing the children, elderly, and others who were known to be innocent, by the IDF? If you feel that Israel can murder, bomb and shred children and the elderly to pieces, and terrorize the population at large, then please explain why.
 

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Here you go!

<H3 align=justify>Nasrallah and Jews
Within a month of Nasrallah's taking over as leader, Hezbollah (with the help of Iranian intelligence) bombed the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires, killing 29 and injuring over 200. The next attack perpetrated by Hezbollah—again with Iranian help—was the bombing of the Jewish community center in Buenos Aires, killing 86 and injuring over 200.
The widening arena of Hezbollah's attacks stemmed from Nasrallah's perception that Jews anywhere are legitimate targets. In fact, Nasarallah has said:
If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide. (Daily Star, Oct. 23, 2002)
Shiite scholar Amal Saad-Ghorayeb analyzed the anti-Jewish roots of Hezbollah ideology in her book Hezbollah: Politics & Religion. In it, she quotes Hassan Nasrallah describing his antipathy toward Jews:
If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice, I do not say the Israeli. (New Yorker, Oct. 14, 2002)
Nasrallah also incoroporates anti-Semitic rhetoric in speeches. For example, he has characterized Jews as the "grandsons of apes and pigs" and "Allah's most cowardly and greedy creatures." (MEMRI: Al- Manar, Feb. 3, 2006)
Despite his anti-Semitic invective, there are few references to this in the mainstream media.
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read the entire article at:
http://camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issue=11&x_article=1158
 

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To answer your other questions, I am a strong supporter of Israel for the following reasons...........

1. They are an island of rule-of-law democracy in a sea of Arab tyranny.

2. There were more Jews booted out of Arab countries after 1948 (Jewish refugees) than there were Arab refugees that left Israel......Israel ABSORBED the Jews, took them in with open arms. The Arab nations have ignored, refused entry, and rejected the Arab refugees, treating the as pariahs while using them as a club to beat Israel.

3. If all Arab weapons disappeared in the ME tomorrow, peace would reign. If all Jewish weapond disappeared tomorrow, there would be a massacre that would equal the Holocaust.

4. There are VERY few Jews in Arab countries still alive. Arabs in Israel vote, have representatives in the Knesset, and take part in Israeli democracy, VERY rarely causing trouble. Most would rather be Muslim Arabs in Israel than in any of the ARAB countries. What does THAT tell you?

As for Israerlis killing civilians, that would cease if Hamas and Hezbollahquit carrying out terrorist attacks shielded by civilians, hiding missile launchers in apartment buildings, etc. When your enemy is embedded within the populatuion, the population will suffer. Israel has no choice.

look at the recent war.....how long did it last? A few weeks. The Israelis fired tens of thousands o shells and bombs and missiles.......yet they ONLY killed less than 2000 civilians.......this is one of the best militaries in the world, had they been trying to kill civilians, the death toll would have been 100,000. If they had simply NOT tried to AVOID killing civilians, the death toll would have been tens of thousands.

As far as I'm concerned, Hezbollah sis fully responsible for every death.......they started it, and they hid among the population......