Islamic education; a child's view

And we muslims get all angry and upset when they refer to us as uncivilised! how can we be civilised if all we do is feed our children this propaganda and hatred.
Don't you dare getting all edgy and start throwing verses from the Quran on me, I know what I'm talking about, too bad most muslims don't.
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I feel more and more disappointed whenever I see, read or hear of such stories.
I feel disgust that our so-called "Muslim" societies still harbour ignorance and such dangerous educational negligence!
I am so ashamed that good, educated muslims have to share the same respectable religious title as those nonsensically brainwashed zombies......

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Thinker | 30/11/2005, 21:04
abu jubair [--]

Al hamdu lillah!!! This little sister may Allah guide her(ameen) speaks the the truth.[/QUOTE]

Quote: Originally Posted by northstar

earth, how lovely of you to support the Jihad movement, and to discriminate against the child who has been a "good muslim".

Why can you not contribute?

It amuses me no end that every time l post something created by the Muslim Jihad, this is taken as 'hatred". l didn't take my little old video crew out and make this, this was produced to show the other Muslims' what a good Muslim child is taught.

So ask yourself, being a Jihad Muslim and all, and your friends, how does this teaching work with Western Society and freedom and peace???

Back to (religious) school
New school year in Iran
Spetember 30, 2006
iranian.com
The new academic year started last week and schools in Iran open for about 15 million school pupils. As expected, the government of Ahmadinejad has planned new measures of islamisation -- Education Ministry announced a ban on male teachers from girl schools. Furthermore, “all students have to take part in the daily ritual in communal halls”, state-run media reported.
As reflected in the decisive restriction of Islamic norms, according to state media and forceful calls of Hardliners, Tehran police Chief Brigadier General Morteza Tala’i announced the formation of a new “Youth Police” which will be present in schools across the city. This extra police are in place to mainly enforce measures of gender segregation, against non-Islamic attitudes and especially to threaten school girls who are considered to be “bad hijab”. The idea of...

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Quote: Originally Posted by cortex

its all fake
the girl is talking about her family and her love for them

i wonder who would go to the trouble of slandering these good people on the video
and by extension people of simlilar phenotype

i wonder

Memri TV got something from their archives, a very interesting interview that was aired on Iqra' TV like 2 years ago, its an interview with an egyptian girl who was at the time only three and a half years old.[/SIZE]

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Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one

If you go to the second link in this string you will see my post by what appears to comments by Muslims about this video. Most don't agree with it, suggesting that the little girl's view isn't mainstream Islam, but a minority viewpoint. Those people they think its authentic.

MEMRI appears to be an Israeli propaganda feed.

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IQRA appears to be a rabid anti-West anti-Israel Saudi TV station which often broadcasts rubbish like the stuff above.

Quote: Originally Posted by northstar

Yes Bear, l really like your points, l had a friend who understands the language take a look, apparently it is indeed authentic.

And there is alot on the internet to show that it is very unfortunate what is being taught in this day and age.

But to acknowledge the problem is the beginning of change.

With all the humanitarian aid being poured into the country hopefully things can change, and this discrimination will not be tolerated.

Unfortunatly there doesn't seem to be a lot of monitoring on the Muslim Schools in the Western world.

In reviewing the report about the school in Iran,that l have posted, it truly identifies the problem.It identifies the core problem with gender discrimination that is not tolerated here.

It makes me wonder what the Islam schools in the Western world is teaching the children.

Do they have to report to the minister of education and follow guidlines like the public schools???

And how are the teachers selected for the schools?????????

Are the children being taught gender discrimination? Are the children being taught the violent passages from the Qur'an ??????

I think it is vital for these innocent children to be protected from JIHAD teachings and the medieval teachings of violence and prejudice that permeates the Quran teachings.

Toronto terror plot foiled -- Canada

FBI: Suspects may have had 'limited contact' with Georgia men


Saturday, June 3, 2006; Posted: 4:56 p.m. EDT
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TORONTO, Ontario (CNN) -- Canadian police said on Saturday they had halted a "real and serious" terror threat in and around Toronto.
Twelve men and five youths said to have been inspired by al Qaeda were arrested in the operation involving hundreds of officers, authorities said.
The group was "planning to commit a series of terrorist attacks against solely Canadian targets in southern Ontario," Royal Canadian Mounted Police Assistant Commissioner Mike McDonell said at a news conference.
"This group took steps to acquire three tons of ammonium nitrate and other components necessary to create explosive devices," he said. (--)
"To put this in context, the 1995 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City that killed 168 people took one ton of ammonium nitrate."
The detained suspects are all males, Canadian residents "from a variety of backgrounds" and followers of a "violent ideology inspired by al Qaeda," said Luc Portelance, assistant director of operations for Canadian Security Intelligence Service. (--)
The adults ranged in age from 19 to 43, and all lived in Ontario, according to Canadian police. No information was released on the youths.
The charges they face include participating in terrorist group activity such as training and recruitment; the provision of property for terrorist purposes; and the "commission of indictable offenses, including firearms and explosives in association with a terrorist group."
The targets were all in Toronto, CNN's Jeanne Meserve reported at least one source as telling her.Authorities did not release information on targets except to say they did not include the Toronto Transit Commission.
"This group posed a real and serious threat," McDonell said. "It had the capacity and intent to carry out these attacks."
U.S. link probed

Some suspects "may have had limited contact with the two people recently arrested from Georgia," FBI spokesman Richard Kolko said, referring to Syed Ahmed, a 21-year-old Georgia Insitute of Technology student, and 19-year-old Ehsanul Sadequee.
Both men traveled from Atlanta to Canada in March 2005 to meet with three men who were the subjects of an FBI international terrorism investigation, an FBI agent said, according to an affidavit unsealed in April.
Ahmed told authorities that "during some of these meetings, he, Sadequee and the others discussed strategic locations in the United States suitable for a terrorist strike, to include oil refineries and military bases," the court paper said. (--)
U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff spoke by telephone with his counterpart, Canadian Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day, on Saturday morning to discuss the latest events north of the border. (--)
"We believe we have a strong posture at the Canadian border and we will continue to do so," said a U.S. Department of Homeland Security spokesman, adding that no additional protective measures were being taken.
The overnight Canadian raids involved most of the police forces in the Toronto area, police spokeswoman Cpl. Michele Paradis said.
Federal agencies including border and intelligence agents worked with the police under the auspices of the Integrated National Security Enforcement Team, Paradis said.
Such anti-terror operations in Canada are rare. It is not clear if the sweep is related to a raid in East London Friday, one of the largest there since the London transit bombings in July. That raid was carried out with the help of police and Britain's domestic spy agency, MI5. (--)
In March 2004 a man from Ottawa, Canada -- Mohammad Momin Khawaja -- was charged in connection with terror-related offenses that involved activities there and in London.
And Ahmed Ressam, who was convicted of conspiracy to detonate a suitcase bomb at Los Angeles International Airport during millennium celebrations, was stopped upon entering Washington state from Canada. His trunk contained explosives and timing devices.
CNN's Jeanne Meserve and Kevin Bohn contributed to this report.

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear

OK, I watched the vid, I can only assume that what was typed across the bottom of the screen, is in fact what she said. For all I know, she could have been discussing Barney.

But, if that is what she was saying, she is but a parrot, she has no consept of what she is saying. A child of that age is not more cognisent of the commentary she was saying, then if she was describing the thenth planet.

It's quite funny though, the woman interviewer, an obviously devout Muslim woman, was not wearing a veil. Things that, once again, make me go "Hmmmmmmmmmm"!

Muslim intellectuals need to show that our struggle in the present-day has more to do with striving for economic development, modernisation and the creation of civil society.
The Evolution of 'Jihad' in Islamist Political Discourse
6/6/2003 - Religious Political - Article Ref: IV0306-1994
By: Farish A. Noor
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Islamist discourse, like any other political discourse,...

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Quote: Originally Posted by northstar

I was referring of course to the rewards offered by chance of birth, if you are a Jihad Muslim male you are entitled to these things as justified by the teachings of ISLAM ala Quran, and it you are unfortunate enough to be a female, you are subject to this treatment and so the burkas really work to cover bruising...

Quote: Originally Posted by northstar

...terrorism has been conducted by Jihad Muslims upon the the entire world on a continual basis both historically and currently, that it has been conducted in the name of ALLAH and the law of ISLAM, and that much of the "terrorism" conducted by Muslims whether in the world [note the whatever is missing, since there is no ambiguity about these crimes} may be construed as counter-terrorism terrorism,in response to the fact that they are unable to brainwash people all over the globe with sympathy pleas...

Quote: Originally Posted by humanbeing

My apologies if I kind of wandered into this thread out of place, but here are my thoughts...

All fundamentalists, regardless of the religion they come from, are ****ed up, in my opinion. 'Christian evangelists', 'jihad muslims'... all of them freak the hell right out of me!

The major difference, as someone posted in the following YouTube link, is that these muslim fundamentalists are more desperate than the christian fundamentalists, hence suicide bombings. I'd say there might be some truth to that.

Check out this video of "Jesus Camp".

httpyoutubecomwatchvco19lR9EpM

Tryin' to show you both sides, kinda like Fox News Both sides of the same rotten coin...

Islamic education; a child's view
Here is a darling little girl, of Hueida and Wagdi Al-Arabi and can help us understand the tolerance and understandings of all true Muslims'...

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Therefore, when discussing Islam and Jihad, what must be considered most applicable are Muhammad’s final teachings and commands, especially what his last wishes and instructions were regarding Jihad and violence.
From the viewpoint of the non-Muslim world, we must know which Qur’anic passages are still in force today for the Muslim community, and which are not.
Earlier statements related to peace may or may not have been abrogated by later statements related to violence, or visa versa. We must carefully examine the context of the texts to know which Jihadic directions are acceptable and in force today.
The revered work "al-Nasikh wal-Mansukh" (The Abrogator and the Abrogated) deals in great detail with many subject matters addressed in the Qur’an wherein there appears to be some conflict or contradiction.
The book goes through every sura (chapter), pointing out in full detail every verse which has been canceled, and the verse(s) which replace it.

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Neither video represents mainstream. Obviously some Christians and Muslims harbor extremely intolerant viewpoints. Its troubling that adults would teach children intolerance and hate.

Quote: Originally Posted by northstar

Interesting earth, to see your take on Jihad as an inner struggle rather than any doctorines of the Quranic teachings.

The Jihad was the self-title of the Terrorists that began in the eyes of most people after the murder of thousands of innocent people and destruction of 9/11. As we watched the joyful celebrations of Muslims' in many countries of the east, we were treated to the Muslim leader who officially announced the declaration of war on the Western World and explained how all Muslims' were called by the laws of Islam to the JIHAD movement. Taken literally. Since then l have seen a few, very few Isamic clerics say that this struggle is spiritual and define it as the struggle between the spirit and the teachings of the Quran.

So when you look at the teachings of the Quran we are again looking at these issues, that are brought to literal life, by examples such as the video l am showing.

So how do you explain how the Jihad is about peace?

and how does this peaceful existance that supports the education of innocent children while supporting the teachings of the Quran?