Iraq war like Vietnam War

Researcher87

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WASHINGTON - In a new sign of mounting strain from the war in Iraq, the Army has extended the combat tours of about 4,000 soldiers who would otherwise be returning home, a defense official said Monday.

The 1st Brigade of 1st Armored Division, which is operating in the vicinity of Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province, will be kept in place for several weeks beyond their scheduled departure, the official said. The official spoke only on condition of anonymity because the decision has not been announced by the Pentagon.

The brigade's home base is in Germany. The soldiers' families were notified of the extension Monday, the official said.

The brigade has about 4,000 soldiers in Iraq. They were scheduled to be there a maximum of 12 months, but they are not the first to be extended.

In late July the Army extended the Iraq tour of the Alaska-based 172nd Stryker Brigade. About 300 soldiers from that unit had already returned home and were required to go back to Iraq. The brigade is now operating in Baghdad.

The 1st Brigade of the 1st Armored Division was extended in order to allow its replacement unit, from the 3rd Infantry Division, the minimum 12 months between overseas tours, the official said. The 3rd Infantry has already served two tours in Iraq, including the initial invasion of the country in March 2003.

Last week, the top American commander in the region said the U.S. military is likely to maintain and may even increase its force of more than 140,000 troops in Iraq through next spring. Gen. John Abizaid, commander of the U.S. Central Command, said military leaders would consider adding troops or extending the Iraq deployments of other units if needed.

Until sectarian violence spiked early this year, Bush administration officials had voiced hopes that this election year would see significant U.S. troop reductions in what has become a widely unpopular war.

The Army has a stated goal of giving active-duty soldiers two years at home between overseas combat tours, but it is unable to achieve that "dwell time," as the Army calls, because it does not have enough brigades to meet the demands of simultaneous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It would not be a problem now if the situation in Iraq had improved enough to allow the Army to reduce its presence as originally planned.

Army Secretary Francis Harvey told The Associated Press last week that the amount of time between deployments has shrunk this year from 18 months to 14 months. In the case of the 3rd Infantry, it appears at least one brigade will get only about 12 months because heading for Iraq to replace the extended brigade of the 1st Armored.
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It is similar to the Vietnam war because in that war there were limited casualties every year until 1964. The first soldier to die was in 1959 and there was only 160+ dead by 1964. So that was about 4 and 1/2 years.

Second the government of Vietnam like the Iraq government is weak, and there is this added dimension of death squads 9shite and sunni that go around the cities. Killing people of the different sect.

And since America death tolls are higher in the 3 1/2 then they were in Vietnam, 2,700+ at this very moment, if more troops go in and the death toll climbs higher, if it lasts as long as the Vietnam war did, 14+ years, you might expect an even higher American death toll than in Vietnam.
 

Zzarchov

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Not even close, you can't just randomly pick three years of observation from one war, with three years of major conflict in another two wars.

going this number it won't be nearly as high, though it might if they reintroduce the draft.
 

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Some differences between Iraq and Vietnam.


1. By Tet in 1968, the Americans had 565,000 troops in Vietnam. In Iraq they have less than one quarter that number.

2. In Vietnam, the Americans were not only fighting insurgents (the Viet Cong), but a conventional military from a neighbouring country (the North Vietnamese Army, or NVA)

3. The North Vietnamese were being supplied and supported by China first, and then by the world's other super power, the USSR.

4. By the end of Tet, US forces were taking 2000 casualties a MONTH, with a total for the war of 57,000 dead. The Iraq thing has what, 2700 dead and casualty rates for the US troops are falling, not rising.



NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Edited to sa:

Oh yeah, FYI the Americans did not even commit conventional forces to Vietnam until the spring of 1965, when Marines landed at da Nang.
 

jimmoyer

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Researcher87 ? Born in 87 ?

Doesn't matter.

But the old guys remember growing up through
the Vietnam War years.

And as far as Iran supplying insurgents in Iraq, you
must consider the mixed signals we outsiders see.

1. Shia fought Shia in the Iran-Iraq war for 8-9 years
in the 1980s. So the older Shia might not trust
Iranian shia, n'est pas ?

2. Iraq has had a long secular and nationalistic
influence over the older generations. Even those in
their 20s grew up under that influence.

3. Iraqi Shia don't speak the Farsi language the Iranian
Persian Non-arab Shia speak.


So there's a point at which Iran and Iraq separates
even if both are Shi-ite.
 

Hotshot

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Two similiarties: 1, the yanks had no business being in either place, and 2, the states were run by an idiot both times.
 

Colpy

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Re: RE: Iraq war like Vietnam War

Hotshot said:
Two similiarties: 1, the yanks had no business being in either place, and 2, the states were run by an idiot both times.

My, you don't know much about Lyndon Johnson, do you?

Read a little.
 

#juan

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God Colpy, I remember LBJ saying, "My fellow Americans, it is with a heavy heart I Etc. etc. etc. Even the Americans threw LBJ out after one term. Besides that, LBJ was the "other shooter" in Dallas.... :p
 

Colpy

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#juan said:
God Colpy, I remember LBJ saying, "My fellow Americans, it is with a heavy heart I Etc. etc. etc. Even the Americans threw LBJ out after one term. Besides that, LBJ was the "other shooter" in Dallas.... :p

Well, he was the other shooter if you believe Oliver Stone......the idiot......

Actually, Johnson refused to run........he was not thrown out, he was so shocked by what happened at Tet that he simply withdrew.......

This is the same Johnson that had as his pet causes anti-poverty legislation and civil rights......causes he believed in and, with civil rights legislation, that he managed to push through largely because of his political saavy and iron will.

The latter, of course, led him into deep do-do in Vietnam..........a Texan, he couldn't back away from a fight.

Johnson could have been, WOULD have been the most progressive President from FDR to the present, had he not been crippled by that damned war.
 

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RE: Iraq war like Vietnam

perhaps the lyndon johnson thingy could make up for another thread eh? :)

hmm... the only similarity that the iraq and vietnam war have is that more innocent people are killed than people who are supposedly the bad guys...