Empire: war and propaganda

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Empire: war and propaganda


Thursday, July 27th, 2006


The red areas show the worldwide extent of the American Empire


John Pilger

The US role in supporting Israel’s military assault on Lebanon falls into a pattern of imperial tyranny, where history is rewritten to suit America’s needs while Europe stands cravenly by. John Pilger provides a personal assessment from Washington.

The National Museum of American History is part of the celebrated Smithsonian Institution in Washington, DC. Surrounded by mock Graeco-Roman edifices with their soaring Corinthian columns, rampant eagles and chiselled profundities, it is at the centre of Empire, though the word itself is engraved nowhere. This is understandable, as the likes of Hitler and Mussolini were proud imperialists, too: on a “great mission to rid the world of evil”, as President Bush has also said.

One of the museum’s exhibitions is called “The Price of Freedom: Americans at War“. In the spirit of Santa’s Magic Grotto, this travesty of revisionism helps us understand how silence and omission are so successfully deployed in free, Media-saturated societies. The shuffling lines of ordinary people, many of them children, are dispensed the vainglorious message that America has always “built freedom and democracy” - notably at Hiroshima and Nagasaki where the atomic bombing saved “a million lives”, and in Vietnam where America’s crusaders were “determined to stop communist expansion”, and in Iraq where the same true hearts “employed air strikes of unprecedented precision”.

The words “invasion” and “controversial” make only fleeting appearances; there is no hint that the “great mission” has overseen, since 1945, the attempted overthrow of 50 governments, many of them democracies, along with the crushing of popular movements struggling against tyranny and the bombing of 30 countries, causing the loss of countless lives. In central America, in the 1980s, Ronald Reagan’s arming and training of gangster-armies saw off 300,000 people; in Guatemala, this was described by the UN as genocide. No word of this is uttered in the Grotto. Indeed, thanks to such displays, Americans can venerate War, comforted by the crimes of others and knowing nothing about their own.

In Santa’s Grotto, there is no place for Howard Zinn’s honest People’s History of the United States, or I F Stone’s revelation of the truth of what the museum calls “the forgotten War” in Korea, or Mark Twain’s definition of patriotism as the need to keep “multitudinous uniformed assassins on hand at heavy expense to grab slices of other people’s countries”. Moreover, at the Price of Freedom Shop, you can buy US Army Monopoly, and a “grateful nation blanket” for just $200. The exhibition’s corporate sponsors include Sears, Roebuck, the mammoth retailer. The point is taken.

To understand the power of indoctrination in free societies is also to understand the subversive power of the truth it suppresses. During the Blair era in Britain, precocious revisionists of Empire have been embraced by the pro-War Media. Inspired by America’s Messianic claims of “victory” in the cold War, their pseudo-histories have sought not only to hose down the blood slick of slavery, plunder, famine and genocide that was British imperialism (”the Empire was an exemplary force for good”: Andrew Roberts) but also to rehabilitate Gladstonian convictions of superiority and promote “the imposition of western values”, as Niall Ferguson puts it.

Ferguson relishes “values”, an unctuous concept that covers both the barbarism of the imperial past and today’s ruthless, rigged “free” market. The new code for race and class is “culture”. Thus, the enduring, piratical campaign by the rich and powerful against the poor and weak, especially those with natural resources, has become a “clash of civilisations”. Since Francis Fukuyama wrote his drivel about “the end of history” (since recanted), the task of the revisionists and mainstream journalism has been to popularise the “new” imperialism, as in Ferguson’s War of the World series for Channel 4 and his frequent soundbites on the BBC. In this way, the public is “softened up” for the rapacious invasion of countries on false pretences, including a not unlikely nuclear attack on Iran, and the ascent in Washington of an executive dictatorship, as called for by Vice-President Cheney. So imminent is the latter that a supine Congress will almost certainly reverse the Supreme Court’s recent decision to outlaw the Guantanamo kangaroo courts. The judge who wrote the majority opinion - in a high court Bush himself stacked - sounded his alarm through this seminal quotation of James Madison: “The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether her editary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.”

The catastrophe in the Middle East is a product of such an imperial tyranny. It is clearly a US-ordained operation, with the long-planned assault on Gaza and the destruction of Leba non pretexts for a wider campaign with the goal of installing American puppets in Lebanon, Syria and eventually Iran. “The pay-off time has come,” wrote the Israeli historian Ilan Pappe; “now the proxy should salvage the entangled Empire.”

The attendant Propaganda - the abuse of language and eternal hypocrisy - has reached its nadir in recent weeks. An Israeli soldier belonging to an invasion force was captured and held, legitimately, as a prisoner of War. Reported as a “kidnapping”, this set off yet more slaughter of Palestinian civilians. The seizure of two Palestinian civilians two days before the capture of the soldier was of no interest. Neither was the incarceration of thousands of Palestinian hostages in Israeli prisons, and the torture of many of them, as documented by Amnesty. The kidnapped soldier story cancelled any serious inquiry into Israel’s plans to reinvade Gaza, from which it had staged a phoney withdrawal. The fact and meaning of Hamas’s self-imposed 16-month ceasefire were lost in inanities about “recognising Israel”, along with Israel’s state of terror in Gaza - the dropping of a 500lb bomb on a residential block, the firing of as many as 9,000 heavy artillery shells into one of the most densely populated places on earth and the nightly terrorising with sonic booms.

“I want nobody to sleep at night in Gaza,” declared the Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, as children went out of their minds. In their defence, the Palestinians fired a cluster of Qassam missiles and killed eight Israelis: enough to ensure Israel’s victimhood on the BBC; even Jeremy Bowen struck a shameful “balance”, referring to “two narratives”. The historical equivalent is not far from that of the Nazi bombardment and starvation of the Jewish Warsaw Ghetto. Try to imagine that described as “two narratives”.

Watching this unfold in Washington - I am staying in a hotel taken over by evangelical “Christians for Israel” apparently seeking rapture - I have heard only the crudest colonial refrain and no truth. Hezbollah, drone America’s journalistic caricatures, is “armed and funded by Syria and Iran”, and so they beckon an attack on those countries, while remaining silent about America’s $3bn-a-day gift of planes and small arms and bombs to a state whose international lawlessness is a registered world record. There is never mention that, just as the rise of Hamas was a response to the atrocities and humiliations the Palestinians have suffered for half a century, so Hezbollah was formed only as a defence against Ariel Sharon’s murderous invasion of Lebanon in 1982 which left 22,000 people dead. There is never mention that Israel intervenes at will, illegally and brutally, in the remaining 22 per cent of historic Palestine, having demolished 11,000 homes and walled off people from their farmlands, and families, and hospitals, and schools. There is never mention that the threat to Israel’s existence is a canard, and the true enemy of its people is not the Arabs, but Zionism and an imperial America that guarantees the Jewish state as the antithesis of humane Judaism.

Government silence

The epic injustice done to the Palestinians is the heart of the matter. While European governments (with the honourable exception of the Swiss) have remained craven, it is only Hezbollah that has come to the Palestinians’ aid. How truly shaming. There is no Media “narrative” of the Palestinians’ heroic stand during two uprisings, and with slingshots and stones most of the time. Israel’s murders of Rachel Corrie and Tom Hurndall have left them utterly alone. Neither is the silence of governments all that is shocking. On a major BBC programme, Maureen Lipman, a Jew and promoter of selective good causes, is allowed to say, without serious challenge, that “human life is not cheap to the Israelis, and human life on the other side is quite cheap actually . . .”

Let Lipman see the children of Gaza laid out after an Israeli bombing run, their parents petrified with grief. Let her watch as a young Palestinian woman - and there have been many of them - screams in pain as she gives birth in the back seat of a car at night at an Israeli roadblock, having been wilfully refused right of passage to a hospital. Then let Lipman watch the child’s father carry his newborn across freezing fields until it turns blue and dies.

I think Orwell got it right in this passage from Nineteen Eighty-Four, a tale of the ultimate empire:

“And in the general hardening of outlook that set in . . . practices which had been long abandoned - imprisonment without trial, the use of War prisoners as slaves, public executions, torture to extract confessions . . . and the deportation of whole populations - not only became common again, but were tolerated and even defended by people who considered themselves enlightened and progressive.”

John Pilger’s new book, “Freedom Next Time”, is published by Bantam Press (£17.99)
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Countries bombed by the US

China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Libya 1986
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991-2002
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Croatia 1994 (of Serbs at Krajina)
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998 (airliner)
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999
Afghanistan 2001-02


Not including military recklessness (which those dopey Yanks are good at) like Italy 1998 "20 killed by US warplane in cable car" or China 2001 "Chinese military pilot killed by spy plane collision" and not including 'proxy' bombings of Iraq by Israel in 1981 using sixteen US made F15 bombers and brand new F16 fighter bombers



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Countries bombed by the US and deserved it...

China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Libya 1986
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991-2002
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Croatia 1994 (of Serbs at Krajina)
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998 (airliner)
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999
Afghanistan 2001-02

There that looks better.

"sits back and waits for the moonbats to spray spittle all over their keyboards..."
 

thomaska

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Blackleaf said:
Empire: war and propaganda


Thursday, July 27th, 2006


The red areas show the worldwide extent of the American Empire


John Pilger

The US role in supporting Israel’s military assault on Lebanon falls into a pattern of imperial tyranny, where history is rewritten to suit America’s needs while Europe stands cravenly by. John Pilger provides a personal assessment from Washington.

The National Museum of American History is part of the celebrated Smithsonian Institution in Washington, DC. Surrounded by mock Graeco-Roman edifices with their soaring Corinthian columns, rampant eagles and chiselled profundities, it is at the centre of Empire, though the word itself is engraved nowhere. This is understandable, as the likes of Hitler and Mussolini were proud imperialists, too: on a “great mission to rid the world of evil”, as President Bush has also said.

One of the museum’s exhibitions is called “The Price of Freedom: Americans at War“. In the spirit of Santa’s Magic Grotto, this travesty of revisionism helps us understand how silence and omission are so successfully deployed in free, Media-saturated societies. The shuffling lines of ordinary people, many of them children, are dispensed the vainglorious message that America has always “built freedom and democracy” - notably at Hiroshima and Nagasaki where the atomic bombing saved “a million lives”, and in Vietnam where America’s crusaders were “determined to stop communist expansion”, and in Iraq where the same true hearts “employed air strikes of unprecedented precision”.

The words “invasion” and “controversial” make only fleeting appearances; there is no hint that the “great mission” has overseen, since 1945, the attempted overthrow of 50 governments, many of them democracies, along with the crushing of popular movements struggling against tyranny and the bombing of 30 countries, causing the loss of countless lives. In central America, in the 1980s, Ronald Reagan’s arming and training of gangster-armies saw off 300,000 people; in Guatemala, this was described by the UN as genocide. No word of this is uttered in the Grotto. Indeed, thanks to such displays, Americans can venerate War, comforted by the crimes of others and knowing nothing about their own.

In Santa’s Grotto, there is no place for Howard Zinn’s honest People’s History of the United States, or I F Stone’s revelation of the truth of what the museum calls “the forgotten War” in Korea, or Mark Twain’s definition of patriotism as the need to keep “multitudinous uniformed assassins on hand at heavy expense to grab slices of other people’s countries”. Moreover, at the Price of Freedom Shop, you can buy US Army Monopoly, and a “grateful nation blanket” for just $200. The exhibition’s corporate sponsors include Sears, Roebuck, the mammoth retailer. The point is taken.

To understand the power of indoctrination in free societies is also to understand the subversive power of the truth it suppresses. During the Blair era in Britain, precocious revisionists of Empire have been embraced by the pro-War Media. Inspired by America’s Messianic claims of “victory” in the cold War, their pseudo-histories have sought not only to hose down the blood slick of slavery, plunder, famine and genocide that was British imperialism (”the Empire was an exemplary force for good”: Andrew Roberts) but also to rehabilitate Gladstonian convictions of superiority and promote “the imposition of western values”, as Niall Ferguson puts it.

Ferguson relishes “values”, an unctuous concept that covers both the barbarism of the imperial past and today’s ruthless, rigged “free” market. The new code for race and class is “culture”. Thus, the enduring, piratical campaign by the rich and powerful against the poor and weak, especially those with natural resources, has become a “clash of civilisations”. Since Francis Fukuyama wrote his drivel about “the end of history” (since recanted), the task of the revisionists and mainstream journalism has been to popularise the “new” imperialism, as in Ferguson’s War of the World series for Channel 4 and his frequent soundbites on the BBC. In this way, the public is “softened up” for the rapacious invasion of countries on false pretences, including a not unlikely nuclear attack on Iran, and the ascent in Washington of an executive dictatorship, as called for by Vice-President Cheney. So imminent is the latter that a supine Congress will almost certainly reverse the Supreme Court’s recent decision to outlaw the Guantanamo kangaroo courts. The judge who wrote the majority opinion - in a high court Bush himself stacked - sounded his alarm through this seminal quotation of James Madison: “The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether her editary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.”

The catastrophe in the Middle East is a product of such an imperial tyranny. It is clearly a US-ordained operation, with the long-planned assault on Gaza and the destruction of Leba non pretexts for a wider campaign with the goal of installing American puppets in Lebanon, Syria and eventually Iran. “The pay-off time has come,” wrote the Israeli historian Ilan Pappe; “now the proxy should salvage the entangled Empire.”

The attendant Propaganda - the abuse of language and eternal hypocrisy - has reached its nadir in recent weeks. An Israeli soldier belonging to an invasion force was captured and held, legitimately, as a prisoner of War. Reported as a “kidnapping”, this set off yet more slaughter of Palestinian civilians. The seizure of two Palestinian civilians two days before the capture of the soldier was of no interest. Neither was the incarceration of thousands of Palestinian hostages in Israeli prisons, and the torture of many of them, as documented by Amnesty. The kidnapped soldier story cancelled any serious inquiry into Israel’s plans to reinvade Gaza, from which it had staged a phoney withdrawal. The fact and meaning of Hamas’s self-imposed 16-month ceasefire were lost in inanities about “recognising Israel”, along with Israel’s state of terror in Gaza - the dropping of a 500lb bomb on a residential block, the firing of as many as 9,000 heavy artillery shells into one of the most densely populated places on earth and the nightly terrorising with sonic booms.

“I want nobody to sleep at night in Gaza,” declared the Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, as children went out of their minds. In their defence, the Palestinians fired a cluster of Qassam missiles and killed eight Israelis: enough to ensure Israel’s victimhood on the BBC; even Jeremy Bowen struck a shameful “balance”, referring to “two narratives”. The historical equivalent is not far from that of the Nazi bombardment and starvation of the Jewish Warsaw Ghetto. Try to imagine that described as “two narratives”.

Watching this unfold in Washington - I am staying in a hotel taken over by evangelical “Christians for Israel” apparently seeking rapture - I have heard only the crudest colonial refrain and no truth. Hezbollah, drone America’s journalistic caricatures, is “armed and funded by Syria and Iran”, and so they beckon an attack on those countries, while remaining silent about America’s $3bn-a-day gift of planes and small arms and bombs to a state whose international lawlessness is a registered world record. There is never mention that, just as the rise of Hamas was a response to the atrocities and humiliations the Palestinians have suffered for half a century, so Hezbollah was formed only as a defence against Ariel Sharon’s murderous invasion of Lebanon in 1982 which left 22,000 people dead. There is never mention that Israel intervenes at will, illegally and brutally, in the remaining 22 per cent of historic Palestine, having demolished 11,000 homes and walled off people from their farmlands, and families, and hospitals, and schools. There is never mention that the threat to Israel’s existence is a canard, and the true enemy of its people is not the Arabs, but Zionism and an imperial America that guarantees the Jewish state as the antithesis of humane Judaism.

Government silence

The epic injustice done to the Palestinians is the heart of the matter. While European governments (with the honourable exception of the Swiss) have remained craven, it is only Hezbollah that has come to the Palestinians’ aid. How truly shaming. There is no Media “narrative” of the Palestinians’ heroic stand during two uprisings, and with slingshots and stones most of the time. Israel’s murders of Rachel Corrie and Tom Hurndall have left them utterly alone. Neither is the silence of governments all that is shocking. On a major BBC programme, Maureen Lipman, a Jew and promoter of selective good causes, is allowed to say, without serious challenge, that “human life is not cheap to the Israelis, and human life on the other side is quite cheap actually . . .”

Let Lipman see the children of Gaza laid out after an Israeli bombing run, their parents petrified with grief. Let her watch as a young Palestinian woman - and there have been many of them - screams in pain as she gives birth in the back seat of a car at night at an Israeli roadblock, having been wilfully refused right of passage to a hospital. Then let Lipman watch the child’s father carry his newborn across freezing fields until it turns blue and dies.

I think Orwell got it right in this passage from Nineteen Eighty-Four, a tale of the ultimate empire:

“And in the general hardening of outlook that set in . . . practices which had been long abandoned - imprisonment without trial, the use of War prisoners as slaves, public executions, torture to extract confessions . . . and the deportation of whole populations - not only became common again, but were tolerated and even defended by people who considered themselves enlightened and progressive.”

John Pilger’s new book, “Freedom Next Time”, is published by Bantam Press (£17.99)
--------

Countries bombed by the US

China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Libya 1986
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991-2002
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Croatia 1994 (of Serbs at Krajina)
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998 (airliner)
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999
Afghanistan 2001-02


Not including military recklessness (which those dopey Yanks are good at) like Italy 1998 "20 killed by US warplane in cable car" or China 2001 "Chinese military pilot killed by spy plane collision" and not including 'proxy' bombings of Iraq by Israel in 1981 using sixteen US made F15 bombers and brand new F16 fighter bombers



http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/empire-war-and-propaganda

But seriously, was this guy who wrote this also the Reichsminister for Information about 60 years ago or so?
 

Daz_Hockey

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I think he was probably related to chemical Ali, or the Iraqi mnistry of information
 

fuzzylogix

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thomaska said:
Countries bombed by the US and deserved it...

China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Libya 1986
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991-2002
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Croatia 1994 (of Serbs at Krajina)
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998 (airliner)
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999
Afghanistan 2001-02

There that looks better.

"sits back and waits for the moonbats to spray spittle all over their keyboards..."

* laughs out loud and blurts out -- fucking dirty little fascist--*
 

DurkaDurka

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RE: Empire: war and propa

Let's list recent wars Britain has been involved in as well...

First World War, 1914-1918
Americas Europe Africa & Near East Asia & Pacific
France & Flanders
1914-1918 Mesopotamia
1914-1918 North West Frontier
1914-1917
West Africa
1914-1916 China
1914
Macedonia
1915-1918 Egypt
1915-1917 Pacific & Australasia
1914
Gallipoli
1915-1916 Palestine
1917-1918
Irish Rebellion
1916 Aden
1915-1918 Persia
1915-1919
Italy
1917-1918 South West Africa
1914-1916
East Africa
1916-1918 Baluchistan
1918
1918-1939
Americas Europe Africa & Near East Asia & Pacific
Russian Civil War
1918-1920 Turkish War & Straits Occupation,
1918-1923 3rd Afghan War
1919
Rhineland Occupation
1918-1930 Mesopotamia & Kurdistan
1919-1932 North West Frontier
1919-1940
Irish Civil War
1920-1923 Somaliland
1920 Waziristan
1919-1923
Sudan Operations
1920-1922 Moplah Rebellion
1921-1922
Palestine
1936-1939 Burma
1930-1932

Second World War, 1939-1945
Americas Europe Africa & Near East Asia & Pacific
Norway
1940 Somaliland
1940
North West Europe
1940 Abyssinia
1940-1941
Britain
1940-1945 Persia
1941
Malta
1940-1942 North Africa
1940-1943 Hong Kong
1941
Greece & Crete
1941 Iraq
1941 Malaya
1941-1942
North West Europe
1942 Syria
1941 South East Asia
1941-1942
Sicily
1943 Madagascar
1942 Burma
1942-1945
Italy
1943-1945 South West Pacific
1942-1945
Aegean & Adriatic
1943-1944
Greece
1944-1945 South Pacific
1942-1944
North West Europe
1944-1945
Southern France
1944
1945-2001
Americas Europe Africa & Near East Asia & Pacific
Cold War in Europe
1945-1992 Palestine
1945-1948 South East Asia &
Japan Occupation
1945-1952
Germany Occupation
(and NATO)
1945-present India & Pakistan
1945-1948
Italy Occupation,
1943-1947 Gold Coast
1948 Malaya
1948-1960
British Honduras
1948 Austria Occupation
1945-1955 Eritrea
1948-1951 Burma
1948-present
Trieste
1945-1954 Somaliland
1949-1951 Singapore
1950
Greece
1946-1949 Aqaba
1949-1951 Korean War
1950-1953
Northern Ireland
1947-1948 Buraimi Oasis
1952-55
British Guiana
1953 Cyprus
1954-1959 Kenya
1952-1956 Singapore
1955-1956
South Arabia
1955-1967 Hong Kong
1956
Suez
1956
Belize
1957 Bahrain
1956-1957
Muscat & Oman
1957-1959
Togoland
1957
Jordan
1958
Lebanon
1958
Congo Civil Wars
1960-1965 Indonesian Confrontasi
1960-1966
Jamaica
1960 Cameroons
1960 Vietnam
1960-1973
Kurdish Revolt
1961-1963
Bahamas
1961 Kuwait
1961
British Guiana
1962-1963 Zanzibar
1963-1964 India-China War
1962
Belize
1962 Cyprus
1963-present Swaziland
1963-1966 Brunei
1962
Sudan Civil War
1963-present India-Pakistan War
1965
Kenya-Uganda-
Tanganyika Mutiny
1964 Mauritius
1965
Rhodesia Civil War
1964-1980
South West Africa & Angola
1965-1989
Oman
1965-1977 Hong Kong
1966-1967
Anguilla
1969 Northern Ireland
1969-present Libya
1967
Arab-Israeli War
1967
Nigerian Civil War
1967-1970
Jordan Civil War
1970 India-Pakistan War
1971
Uganda Civil Wars
1971-1979
Arab-Israeli War
1973
Kurdish Revolt
1974-1975
Lebanon wars
1975-2000 East Timor Conflict
1975-
Belize
1976-present Ogaden War
1977-1978
Iran-Iraq War
1979-1988
Kurdistan Movement
1979-1995
Falkland Islands War
1982 South Yemen Civil War
1986 Sri Lanka Civil War
1983-present
Grenada
1983 Somalia Civil War
1988-present
Persian Gulf War
1990-1991
Balkan Wars
1991-present Kurdistan Wars
1991-2001 Nepal Civil War
1996-present
Sierra Leone Civil War
1991-2002 Solomon Islands
1998-2003
Kargil War
1999
War on Terrorism, 2001-
Americas Europe Africa & Near East Asia & Pacific
Iraq & Kurdistan
2003- Afghanistan

Link: http://www.regiments.org/wars/wars.htm

I guess the US is following in the ways of it's old colonial masters.
 

Daz_Hockey

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Britain never claimed to be otherwise though DurkaDurka...why compre the two?

completely different kettles of fish.

ONE was a blaitenly Colonial power who believed in the superiority of one nation over the other.

ONE stands for liberty, independence, freedom......

how can you compare the 2 ;)
 

fuzzylogix

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yes it is
and what unifies them is a love of killing that comes with their genetic apparatus

what did they used to say----

we shall kill them in the ENGLISH way

its a tough call--the US or the UK as histories most viscious brutal rapacious depraved hypocrites

lets call it a tie
 

Daz_Hockey

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of course they are, but my point was that Britain never claimed otherwise, whereas the other "propagates freedom, liberty and democracy" throughout the world.

You see my point?

They were both born of the british ruling classes, not suprising really, just one was less vailed than the other
 

iARTthere4iam

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Some of those listed genuinely deserved bombs. All of the countries bombed during WWII are listed. Should Britian not have fought back against the Nazis?
 

Gonzo

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When your fed propaganda in a fascist state at least you know it's propaganda. In the U.S. they are unaware so it's very effective. They believe the lies they're told. Also, the American people don't know about the war crimes there country commits because if they did they would demand a new government. So the government has a heavy hand in the news media and controls it, but lets the population believe they have freedom of speech. America's propaganda machine is the most affective in history.
 

fuzzylogix

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absotootly correct
In a dictatorship people are controlled predominately by fear and force. In a hypocrasy/democrasy people are controlled by propaganda----to an astonishingly effective degree.
 

humanbeing

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When your fed propaganda in a fascist state at least you know it's propaganda. In the U.S. they are unaware so it's very effective. They believe the lies they're told.

Read the book Manufacturing Consent for a good description of the model, proof that it exists, and ways to protect yourself.

Did you know that Canada sold a great deal of arms to Indonesia when they were committing atrocities in East Timor? In fact, we were selling even after the Yankees had cut back and eventually stopped. Most people don't know this, even if they are passionate about seeing horribles acts like that stopped when they hear about 'em.

In Canada, we have a similar system and most of us don't even know it, partly because we're too busy laughing at the Americans for being so dumb and falling for the propaganda model over there.

Sometimes, in Canada, a bit more might slip out than what is shown in the States. This is mostly acceptable, since we aren't Americans who can do anything about it even if we wanted to, and since most of what slips out is potentially damaging news about US interests, not Canadian interests.
 

Gonzo

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I agree. You're only aware of what's going on by the information you get. If you feel passionately about a subject you should gather information from many sources, not just the major news outlets. However, the vast population turns on the 6 o'clock news and forms their opinion on that alone. Canada has skeletons in it's closet. We pollute per capita more then Americans. They way we treat natives is embarrassing. Canadians should not be so righteous.
 

Daz_Hockey

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Ah so what I've done (not blaitently I might add) is gather a bunch of people who agree with my opinions, this is VERY unusual...take a picture ITN it doesnt heppen very often!! hehehe lol
 

fuzzylogix

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yep --agreed.
and ill second the observation that Canada is a party to all of this. The Canadian mythology of a peace loving nation of goodie goods is bull shit. I was aware of canada's filthy involvemennt in the atrocities committed in east timor. Just try explaining this to your average Canadian---does not compute is all you get back. --- but Canada doest do that kind of thing--thats what the Americans do----hypocrites
 

humanbeing

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RE: Empire: war and propa

In a dictatorship people are controlled predominately by fear and force. In a hypocrasy/democrasy people are controlled by propaganda----to an astonishingly effective degree.

Well said. I like the phrase "Propaganda is to a democracy, what violence is to a dictatorship".

I agree. You're only aware of what's going on by the information you get. If you feel passionately about a subject you should gather information from many sources, not just the major news outlets.

True. And it's fairly easy, especially with the internet at hand. You can easily view the various forms of independent media, as well as the mass media of other countries like Australia, Norway, South Africa, or wherever. In the case of using mass media, it's often wise to take a look at the countries who are not considered "one of us" or "one of them" on a certain issue (especially those whose major interests do not benefit so much from a conflict swinging either way, anyhow)...

Doing so helps you get a much better understanding of the world.