Britain to update its Trident nuclear deterrent.

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Chancellor, ands soon-to-be Prime Minister, Gordon Brown has approved the updating of Britain Trident nuclear deterrent.

The Royal Navy is already building a whole new class of highly advanced submarines - the Astute class - but now will also have to build another class of submarines to replace the Trident nuclearpowered fleet as well.

For the anti-war/anti-nuke brigade, there is some bad news - Britain's updated nuclear deterrent will last to at least 2060.
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Brown in favour of updating Trident
By George Jones, Political Editor
(Filed: 22/06/2006)



Gordon Brown promised last night to approve the updating of Britain's Trident nuclear deterrent in an attempt to show that a Labour government led by him would not swing back to the Left or be "soft" on defence.

In a move that will anger Left-wing MPs, the Chancellor told business leaders and financiers that as Prime Minister he would be "strong" in fighting terrorism, supporting the Armed Forces and "retaining our independent nuclear deterrent".

Gordon Brown: Would not be a 'soft touch'


Treasury sources said Mr Brown, who in the past has been criticised for squeezing the defence budget, would assure military chiefs that as Chancellor or Prime Minister he would find the necessary resources to ensure the long term future of Britain's nuclear deterrent.

The cost of replacing the Trident fleet of nuclearpowered submarines together with a new missile system is put at between £10 billion and £25 billion, though the cost could be lower if the missiles alone were updated.

Mr Brown used his annual Mansion House speech to the City of London to signal publicly for the first time that he supported updating the nuclear deterrent. It was a clear message to Left-wing MPs, who have been calling for a "radical renewal" - political code for the abandonment of Tony Blair's reform programme - that he would not be a "soft touch" on issues such as defence.

It was also aimed at supporters of Mr Blair who have argued that the Prime Minister should stay on because Mr Brown was reluctant to take tough decisions that could hamper his bid to become the next Labour leader.

A formal decision is not expected to be taken by the Cabinet until early next year, and Mr Blair has promised a full debate in Parliament and the country on updating the nuclear deterrent.

But Mr Brown's comments will be seen as a further sign that a decision in principle has already been taken by Mr Blair, who believes that renewing the country's nuclear defences will be one of the legacies of his premiership.

At Prime Minister's Questions yesterday, Gordon Prentice, Labour MP for Pendle, said it would be an "absolute outrage" if billions were "squandered" on a new generation of nuclear weapons without a vote by MPs.

Mr Blair confirmed that a decision about replacing Trident would be taken in this Parliament. "There should be the fullest possible debate on this issue," he said. "I am sure there will be."

Replacing the Trident submarine fleet could cost up to £25 billion


Until now, Mr Brown has shown little interest in defence, and has been viewed with suspicion by the Armed Forces, who have voiced concern that Treasury pressure for economies has resulted in the forces being overstretched and short of vital equipment.

But the Chancellor has embarked on a campaign to show that he has the qualities to succeed Mr Blair.

His support for updating Trident represents a further break with Labour's past and his own socialist background.

When he first became a Labour MP in 1983, Labour was committed to unilateral nuclear disarmament. His support for the nuclear deterrent could lead to demands for an alternative candidate to challenge the Chancellor if Mr Blair - as seems increasingly likely - steps down next year.

Mr Brown said he was committed to protecting Britain's security, including retaining the nation's independent nuclear deterrent.

Liam Fox, the Conservative defence spokesman, claimed the Chancellor's speech was "just more spin designed to cast Gordon Brown as a statesman".

telegraph.co.uk

 

[aeon]

How to back in the dark age, just follow the great axis of anglo-morons, simple as that.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Britain to update its Trident nuclear deterrent.

How to back in the dark age, just follow the great axis of anglo-morons, simple as that.

Does the phrase Force de frappe mean anything to you?

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Britain to update its Trident nuclear deterrent.

How to back in the dark age, just follow the great axis of anglo-morons, simple as that.

Does the phrase Force de frappe mean anything to you?

Yes and?

 

[Mogz]

Re: RE: Britain to update its Trident nuclear deterrent.

How to back in the dark age, just follow the great axis of anglo-morons, simple as that.

Does the phrase Force de frappe mean anything to you?

Yes and?

You are pretty clueless as to the World you live in aren't you aeon? The planet is not a nice place by any stretch of the imagination, and the British Government is well aware of that. Britain doesn't have the largest military in the World, but they do have one of the most highly motivated and highly equipped. There are only three Nations on this planet that take a proactive stance to guard their Nations against any threat; The United States, Britain, and France. Every other nation on this planet, in some way or another, utterly fails to recognize the troubled World as it is, and has been for decades. The Royal Navys aquisition of new Nuclear Attack Submarines is just another tick in a box on a long list of military assets they hold to defend their Nation and way of life. I say kudos to them, I wish this Nation were that clued in.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Britain to update its Trident nuclear deterrent.

How to back in the dark age, just follow the great axis of anglo-morons, simple as that.

Does the phrase Force de frappe mean anything to you?

Yes and?

You are pretty clueless as to the World you live in aren't you aeon? The planet is not a nice place by any stretch of the imagination, and the British Government is well aware of that. Britain doesn't have the largest military in the World, but they do have one of the most highly motivated and highly equipped. There are only three Nations on this planet that take a proactive stance to guard their Nations against any threat; The United States, Britain, and France. Every other nation on this planet, in some way or another, utterly fails to recognize the troubled World as it is, and has been for decades. The Royal Navys aquisition of new Nuclear Attack Submarines is just another tick in a box on a long list of military assets they hold to defend their Nation and way of life. I say kudos to them, I wish this Nation were that clued in.

The only trouble i see right now, are those who invades nation based on a lie(9-11 etcc), in the name of freeking freedom, to steal their ressource, that only brainless people will believe in.

That is to me, the best exemple of being an ""Ignorant chicken bastards"", ignorant, because they believe anything their media will tell them and not knowing what is going on overthere,chicken, because they sends troops on the other side of the planet to kill innonceent peoples, just for thei own security, and bastard, because those same peoples are hidden big empire, and now you know what i think of you :wink:

 

[Mogz]

The only trouble i see right now, are those who invades nation based on a lie(9-11 etcc), in the name of freeking freedom, to steal their ressource, that only brainless people will believe in.

Tunnel vision at it's finest aeon. That is simply, YOUR opinion. People who get paid a hell of a lot more than you, and are privy to a hell of a lot more information than you, have made the decisions to "invade nations based on a lie". If that is the only trouble on the planet you see, then it's official, you are a highly UNintelligent individual. I'm not trying to be rude, but come on man, is that all you see? Is your scope of the World so narrow? You don't see civil unrest in East Timor? You don't see religious strife in Iraq (which has been around for decades)? You don't see Iran arming itself with Nuclear weapons? Or North Korea testing long range ballistic-capable missiles? You don't see ethnic tension in the Sudan? Or terrorist plots popping up all over the globe? Answer this aeon? Do none of these issues appear as relevant to global security for you?

What has the media got to do with The Royal Navy revamping their nuclear attack fleet? Also, just to point out, the people we kill in Afghanistan, by and large, aren't innocent aeon. They're gun totting, explosive detonating fanatics. Perhaps your idea of innocent varies from mine. Then again, no one ever dubbed you an objective individual. So answer my question from above.

 

[EastSideScotian]

Re: RE: Britain to update its Trident nuclear deterrent.

How to back in the dark age, just follow the great axis of anglo-morons, simple as that.

Does the phrase Force de frappe mean anything to you?

Yes and?

You are pretty clueless as to the World you live in aren't you aeon? The planet is not a nice place by any stretch of the imagination, and the British Government is well aware of that. Britain doesn't have the largest military in the World, but they do have one of the most highly motivated and highly equipped. There are only three Nations on this planet that take a proactive stance to guard their Nations against any threat; The United States, Britain, and France. Every other nation on this planet, in some way or another, utterly fails to recognize the troubled World as it is, and has been for decades. The Royal Navys aquisition of new Nuclear Attack Submarines is just another tick in a box on a long list of military assets they hold to defend their Nation and way of life. I say kudos to them, I wish this Nation were that clued in.

The only trouble i see right now, are those who invades nation based on a lie(9-11 etcc), in the name of freeking freedom, to steal their ressource, that only brainless people will believe in.

That is to me, the best exemple of being an ""Ignorant chicken bastards"", ignorant, because they believe anything their media will tell them and not knowing what is going on overthere,chicken, because they sends troops on the other side of the planet to kill innonceent peoples, just for thei own security, and bastard, because those same peoples are hidden big empire, and now you know what i think of you :wink:

Well here is what the Vast Magority think of you.

You are what is called, Ignorant. You dont look at the full spectrum of issues. You choose to twist what facts you read, and turn them into a lie. You listen to theroys over facts, anyone who does that is ignorant. Ignoreing facts such as, 9/11 did happen, Since it happend Bin Laden has claimed his role in it. You decided hey Iam going to look ont he internet to see what people who make up theroys based on what they think say.....IE. Its all a lie because he wore a gold ring.....and Gold rings are against the Muslim belif....Hey guess what else is against the muslim belif....I donno ummm killing innocent people....Looks liek Osma isnt exzactly a sand up kinda muslim....But hey...you can ust ignore that fact because it wouldnt support your theroys which are always easily blowen out of the water...Theroys are made by people who are scared of the facts. Poeple who stick their heads in the sand becasue they dont want to belieave how quickly the world is going down the shitter, poeple who would rather place blame on a politcal party that they dotn vote for. Your just an idiot.

As far as I am concered, the end of the world is coming, it cant be stoped, so whatever is happing is happing for a reason, my job is to do my part in life, be it Join the army and fight for my country, why? Because I am a Canadian first and a human second. My life could even be working in a warehouse, but we the little poeple ahve little say, and tis time you regonize that, the world is not in our hands and evrything happens for a reason your theroys wont protect you, the best we can do is look at the facts that are presented to us and do our part, its all in the plan.

 

[Mogz]

Re: RE: Britain to update its Trident nuclear deterrent.

How to back in the dark age, just follow the great axis of anglo-morons, simple as that.

Does the phrase Force de frappe mean anything to you?

Yes and?

You are pretty clueless as to the World you live in aren't you aeon? The planet is not a nice place by any stretch of the imagination, and the British Government is well aware of that. Britain doesn't have the largest military in the World, but they do have one of the most highly motivated and highly equipped. There are only three Nations on this planet that take a proactive stance to guard their Nations against any threat; The United States, Britain, and France. Every other nation on this planet, in some way or another, utterly fails to recognize the troubled World as it is, and has been for decades. The Royal Navys aquisition of new Nuclear Attack Submarines is just another tick in a box on a long list of military assets they hold to defend their Nation and way of life. I say kudos to them, I wish this Nation were that clued in.

The only trouble i see right now, are those who invades nation based on a lie(9-11 etcc), in the name of freeking freedom, to steal their ressource, that only brainless people will believe in.

That is to me, the best exemple of being an ""Ignorant chicken bastards"", ignorant, because they believe anything their media will tell them and not knowing what is going on overthere,chicken, because they sends troops on the other side of the planet to kill innonceent peoples, just for thei own security, and bastard, because those same peoples are hidden big empire, and now you know what i think of you :wink:

Well here is what the Vast Magority think of you.

You are what is called, Ignorant. You dont look at the full spectrum of issues. You choose to twist what facts you read, and turn them into a lie. You listen to theroys over facts, anyone who does that is ignorant. Ignoreing facts such as, 9/11 did happen, Since it happend Bin Laden has claimed his role in it. You decided hey Iam going to look ont he internet to see what people who make up theroys based on what they think say.....IE. Its all a lie because he wore a gold ring.....and Gold rings are against the Muslim belif....Hey guess what else is against the muslim belif....I donno ummm killing innocent people....Looks liek Osma isnt exzactly a sand up kinda muslim....But hey...you can ust ignore that fact because it wouldnt support your theroys which are always easily blowen out of the water...Theroys are made by people who are scared of the facts. Poeple who stick their heads in the sand becasue they dont want to belieave how quickly the world is going down the shitter, poeple who would rather place blame on a politcal party that they dotn vote for. Your just an idiot.

As far as I am concered, the end of the world is coming, it cant be stoped, so whatever is happing is happing for a reason, my job is to do my part in life, be it Join the army and fight for my country, why? Because I am a Canadian first and a human second. My life could even be working in a warehouse, but we the little poeple ahve little say, and tis time you regonize that, the world is not in our hands and evrything happens for a reason your theroys wont protect you, the best we can do is look at the facts that are presented to us and do our part, its all in the plan.

That is the most intelligent, albeit grammatically butchered ( ), thing I have read on these forums in a long time.

 

[Jersay]

They have Chancellor in Britain??

To the muclear aspect. If they want to update it thats good. Less likely an accident that could result in a lot of deaths and natural destruction. Its pretty good.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Britain to update its Trident nuclear deterrent.

How to back in the dark age, just follow the great axis of anglo-morons, simple as that.

Does the phrase Force de frappe mean anything to you?

Yes and?

I would say then the reference to anglo-morons is moot, since the Frenchies have expanded their nuclear arsenal and have blown up Greenpeace ships in the process.

 

[Jersay]

I have to agree with ITN at least britain hasn't done any terrorist acts.

 

[Mogz]

Terrorist acts in the true sense of the word no. Waste numerous civilians in Northern Ireland yes.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Britain to update its Trident nuclear deterrent.

Well here is what the Vast Magority think of you.

What the majority in here, think of me, is irrelevent to anything, not even close to it.

You are what is called, Ignorant. You dont look at the full spectrum of issues. You choose to twist what facts you read, and turn them into a lie. You listen to theroys over facts, anyone who does that is ignorant. Ignoreing facts such as, 9/11 did happen, Since it happend Bin Laden has claimed his role in it.You decided hey Iam going to look ont he internet to see what people who make up theroys based on what they think say....

What do you think of this then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oussama_bin_Laden

Immediately after the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States, the United States government named bin Laden as the prime suspect. However, Osama denied responsibility for the attacks, and in an interview for the Karachi-based Pakistani daily newspaper Ummat, published on September 28, 2001, he stated:


I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. [...] The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself [...] there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups capable of causing such large-scale destruction.

Now who is the ignorant?

.IE. Its all a lie because he wore a gold ring.....and Gold rings are against the Muslim belif....Hey guess what else is against the muslim belif....I donno ummm killing innocent people....Looks liek Osma isnt exzactly a sand up kinda muslim....But hey...you can ust ignore that fact because it wouldnt support your theroys which are always easily blowen out of the water...

Show me where my theory always easily blown out of the water? show me that i am interested, since i came on this board, i put all right wint nuts, in my back pocket, especially regarding 9-11, since there is no evidence that alquada did it.

Theroys are made by people who are scared of the facts. Poeple who stick their heads in the sand becasue they dont want to belieave how quickly the world is going down the shitter, poeple who would rather place blame on a politcal party that they dotn vote for. Your just an idiot.

Name-Calling: This is what happens when one side of a debate has
run out of talking points, or who's position has been so completely debunked
that any real defense of their own subject matter can no longer logically exist.

See: Childish and immature behaviors, arrested development, extremism.

As far as I am concered, the end of the world is coming, it cant be stoped, so whatever is happing is happing for a reason, my job is to do my part in life, be it Join the army and fight for my country, why? Because I am a Canadian first and a human second. My life could even be working in a warehouse, but we the little poeple ahve little say, and tis time you regonize that, the world is not in our hands and evrything happens for a reason your theroys wont protect you, the best we can do is look at the facts that are presented to us and do our part, its all in the plan.

The end is near, and i am very afraid, i am trembling right now, but since i am not a chicken bastards, and i think our governement are just trying to trick us into endless stupid wars, where only sheeps will accept, i will speak my voice against this New world order.

 

[DurkaDurka]

RE: Britain to update its

Aeon, you cannot complain about name calling since I have seen you call people morons, idiots etc.

People would respect you more if you didn't highjack every thread with your conspiracies. Post some new content, not your recyled shit from your conspiracy handbook.

 

[dekhqonbacha]

Britian needs to be dominiant in water. Because they are located in island. That's what helped them from Spanish Armada, Napoleon, and Hitler.

English defence, I think, is one of the best in world. Recently, I read somewhere that the most watched city by camera in the world is London.

But, still it didn't protect them from 7/7.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Britain to update its

Aeon, you cannot complain about name calling since I have seen you call people morons, idiots etc.

People would respect you more if you didn't highjack every thread with your conspiracies. Post some new content, not your recyled shit from your conspiracy handbook.

True, and thankx for clearing that up, even though it sounded like i think i was better than anyone else who calls me name, in fact it is opposite, everytime i post it, it is for my personal use, to remind me how stupid it is to call others with name, and of course for the one who just called me a name.

 

[EastSideScotian]

RE: Britain to update its

The September 11, 2001 Attacks
Taken from the 12/27/2001 Osama bin Laden video.
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Taken from the 12/27/2001 Osama bin Laden video.

Immediately after the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States, the United States government named bin Laden as the prime suspect. However, Osama denied responsibility for the attacks, and in an interview for the Karachi-based Pakistani daily newspaper Ummat, published on September 28, 2001, he stated:

Osama bin Laden
I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. [...] The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself [...] there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups capable of causing such large-scale destruction.

Osama bin Laden

In December 2001, U.S. forces in Afghanistan captured a videotape during a raid on a house in Jalalabad, which allegedly shows bin Laden discussing the September 11th attacks with a group of followers. However, the quality of the tape is poor, and the authenticity is disputed by many researchers.

In a closed door session in October 2001, the U.S. presented evidence to NATO of bin Laden's involvement in the September 11 attacks. NATO's general secretary, George Robertson, described the evidence as clear and decisive and led the organization to invoke, for the first time in its history, article 5 in the NATO pact. Article 5 states that any attack on a member state is considered an attack against the entire alliance. The evidence presented to NATO was never made available to the public [11], and no evidence that could be cited in a court of law, has ever been produced to back up the claim of the American government that Osama orchestrated the 9/11 attacks.

The American FBI has Osama listed as one of their 'most wanted' persons in connection with the embassy murders in various countries. His wanted poster is here. However, the FBI does not list 9/11 as one of the crimes Osama is wanted for. It only lists the embassy murders. In June 2006 a reporter asked the FBI why that is. A representative of the FBI responded that the FBI has "no hard evidence" that Bin Ladin was involved with 9/11. [1].

You do know he admited it......Its all over our news. Thats Quote is from a Pakistain news paper, you know people think he is hideing there? he also has good relations with alot of high up pakistains, who have been linked to funding him....sure he will tell his poeple one thing to make them feel better about it if he wants to hide there and keep his ties.

Aeon, if you think our media lies all the time, do you think the pakistain media is any differant?

Like I have said your theroys or garbage, you dont know evrything you like to think you do.

Why are your theroys easily blowen out of the water simple....Because there is always a explaination for it, or something that proves it wrong.Back tot he ring. Osma is not a good muslim, he kills poeple, thats not a muslim thing thats an extreamist deal. he isnt a good muslim, why would he care about having a gold ring, it will just be another broken muslim rule....you cliam its a set up of somesort because he has a ring....thats the most rediclous shit i have ever heard.....