Vatican attacks daily life, doesn't like it

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Vatican issues more criticism of contraception, abortion, same-sex marriage
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at 15:18 on June 6, 2006, EST.
By MARIA SANMINIATELLI

VATICAN CITY (AP) - The Vatican declared Tuesday that the traditional family has never been so threatened as in today's world, lashing out against contraception, abortion, in vitro fertilization and same-sex marriage.

The 57-page document was issued by the Pontifical Council for the Family, whose head, Alfonso Cardinal Lopez Trujillo, is a strong opponent of the use of condoms under any circumstances.

Gay activists in Italy quickly condemned the paper as an "attack against modern life, freedom and social redemption."

Many of the practices attacked by the document have been widespread in western countries for decades; same-sex marriage has become an issue recently.

Several countries including Canada have legalized gay marriage and others permit civil unions. However, many U.S. states have outlawed same-sex marriage, and President George W. Bush and some Republican senators are campaigning to amend the U.S. Constitution to ban it.

The Vatican's document did not break any new ground, but summarized traditional Roman Catholic Church positions in the first sweeping comment on the issues during Pope Benedict's papacy.

"Man of modern times has radicalized the tendency to take the place of God and substitute Him," it said. "Never before in history has human procreation, and therefore the family, which is its natural place, been so threatened as in today's culture."

The document did not mention the current debate within the Vatican on whether the church should permit condoms to battle AIDS in a particular circumstance - when one partner in a marriage has the virus.

It reaffirmed the 1968 encyclical Humanae Vitae that stated the Vatican's opposition to contraception. However, it noted, couples "have been limiting themselves to one, or maximum two children."

The document also condemned in vitro fertilization, artificial insemination and the use of embryos.

"If a man takes on the power to fabricate man, he also takes on the power to destroy him," it said. "The human being has the right to be generated, not produced, to come to life not in virtue of an artificial process but of a human act in the full sense of the term: the union between a man and a woman."

Lopez Trujillo sparked controversy three years ago when he said condoms don't prevent AIDS and may help spread it because they create a false sense of security. The Vatican insists sexual abstinence is the only sure way to fight AIDS.

Several other cardinals have argued that the use of a condom within a marriage would be the lesser evil if it prevented passing on HIV infection to the partner.

The new document makes a broad attack on what it calls threats to the "the natural institution of marriage."

"Couples made up of homosexuals claim similar rights to those reserved to husband and wife; they even claim the right to adoption. Women who live a lesbian union claim similar rights, demanding laws which give them access to hetero fertilization or embryo implantation."


Of abortion, the document said: "Such practices in fact constitute a violation of the fundamental right to life which is the right of every human being from the moment of conception."

Franco Grillini, an Italian legislator and honorary president of the activist group Arcigay, condemned the Vatican document as "grotesque."

He said the European countries that give legal recognition to unmarried and gay couples have done so with great benefit to society.

"To maintain, therefore . . . that this would represent an attack against the traditional family is a falsehood that has been scientifically contradicted by the facts," Grillini said.

In recent years, the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain and Canada legalized same-sex marriage, while Britain and several other European nations now give such couples the right to form partnerships that entitle them to most of the same tax and pension rights of married couples.

A 2004 court ruling legalized gay marriage in Massachusetts, and Vermont and Connecticut permit civil unions. But more than a dozen states have reacted by adopting constitutional bans on same-sex marriage and 19 in all now outlaw the practice.

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Bush is out of touch, the Vatican is even more.
 

Finder

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Welcome to the Vatican, the largest pervasive order of Christian Conservative values in the world. I'm not anti-catholic as some of you may know, I was born Catholic and I have a lot of respect for what the church does and progressive catholcs do. But the Vatican has to learn how to butt out of seculer/temporal dealings such as the ones stated above.
 

FiveParadox

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Re: The Vatican's Comments

With due respect for the institution of Catholicism, I would suggest that His Holiness Pope Benedict VXI is perhaps out of touch with the needs of religions in the modern age. I would suggest that religions should rather be a mechanism whereby peoples can be united, rather than divided (as this document has seemed to do), and making statements such as these is not going to be of any particular assistance to that end.

These statements not only condemn same-sex marriage, but seem to condemn the rights of gays and lesbians entirely, as some sort of "perversion." I was quite angered when the Church attempted to threaten some of our Members of Parliament during the consideration of same-sex marriage legislation during the Thirty-eighth Parliament of Canada — if they had read into the legislation to which they were opposing, then they would have seen that no member of their institution would have been forced to perform any marriage which contravened whatever they wished their practises to be.

As for the issue of contraception, I am happy to see that the institution is beginning to edge toward recognizing that there are some circumstances in which even Catholicism could condone, or at the least tolerate, the use thereof — in particular, in situations where issues such as AIDS could be a factor, or where parents have had as many children as they wish to have. However, I continue to wish that His Holiness would recognize the merits of "safe sex."
 

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The last Pope was bad enough. The catholic orders in India were told to tell the people who went to them to stop using contraceptive... telling a nation over a billion in people and with problems with poverity and aids to stop using contraceptive...
 

Kreskin

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The Fairy Tale fund must be in decline. The biggest threat to the Vatican is not enough money collected during hat passing.
 

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Re: RE: Vatican attacks daily life, doesn't like it

Kreskin said:
The Fairy Tale fund must be in decline. The biggest threat to the Vatican is not enough money collected during hat passing.

Bingo!! Got to motivate the masses to keep the money coming in. Got to keep people sucking up to you so you don't lose that power and you might have to get a real job 8O