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Chavez doubles tax for oil firms



Hugo Chavez has used oil income to fund social programmes abroad


The tax paid by foreign oil companies operating in Venezuela will be almost doubled, says President Hugo Chavez.

On his weekly television programme Hello President, Mr Chavez said a new "extraction tax" of 33% would replace the current oil royalty of 17%.

He said the levy would raise at least $885m a year, some of which would be used to fund a housing programme.

Venezuela is the world's fifth oil exporter, and Mr Chavez has used oil income to drive his "revolution".

"We are going to create a new oil tax, called the tax on extraction," Mr Chavez told viewers of his marathon six-hour Sunday show.

"The companies that are pumping oil in Venezuela are making a lot of money," he said.

He said the details of the new extraction tax would be revealed in the next few days, but the figure mentioned by Mr Chavez and his oil minister is 33%.





Chavez applauded Bolivia's stricter terms for foreign energy companies




There will be a different arrangement for foreign companies pumping extra-heavy crude in the eastern Faja region, near the Orinoco River. They include Total, ConocoPhillips, Chevron, ExxonMobil, and BP.

These companies - who are combined in four joint ventures with Venezuela's state-owned PDVSA - are already paying 34% in taxes on income.

That tax will rise to 50%, Mr Chavez said. He said the new taxes would be subject to approval by the National Assembly.

Bolivia venture

Mr Chavez praised Bolivia's recent move to bring its gas industry under state control.

He said Venezuela's PDVSA would take an active role in gas and oil exploration efforts in Bolivia. The company had previously pledged technical assistance and investment.

Record oil prices and bigger taxes on oil production have allowed Mr Chavez to fund social programmes at home, and also to roll out aid programmes in external nations.

His critics accuse him of pursuing political objectives through these programmes, but Mr Chavez says they are a step on the way to greater Latin American integration.
 

cortezzz

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yeah i love the way morales moved so quickly to nationalize the oil companies
and especially howhe made a spectacle of it walking in there with troops---

now THAT use of the military i support 100%
 

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cortezzz said:
yeah i love the way morales moved so quickly to nationalize the oil companies
and especially howhe made a spectacle of it walking in there with troops---

now THAT use of the military i support 100%


Me too!!

What a wonderfull bit of news this is to people like me who see energy as "something we all need" and so it should not be monopolised by private corporations, but instead managed by government. Bolivia, and of course Venezuela have done it.

They had to "wrongfoot" the foriegn investors, but thats only justice after seeing them extract so much wealth from a nation who's people needed it so badly.

Similiar good news:
"How Morales took on the oil giants - and won his people back "
-Stand-off after Chávez-inspired leader sends troops into gas fields:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/oil/story/0,,1768920,00.html
 

I think not

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Not a hint of concern about the environment when the oil is controlled by government. Fascinating. :roll:

I expected at least a small comment from you Karlin. Seems getting "revenge" becomes more important all of a sudden.
 

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When it is a government like Venuzuela they can do no wrong.

Venezuela, China, Iran... all A-OK in there book.

Screw the environment... a Commie is in charge.
 

HonestAbe

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Yeah, I'll admit, I don't know much about this whole topic, but I assume that by Hugo doing this, it is probably not a good deal. In addition, if every country in the world did this, it most definitely wouldn't be a good deal.

Whenever a government raises the taxes on something, the thing that is taxed raises its prices. As such, I don't see how this can be good. If you don't mind breaking this down elementary style, I would appreciate it.
 

I think not

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I'll be happy to oblige HonestAbe. Darth-Hugo raised the taxes on corporate profits so he can build his villas on the coast of Venezuela, while drinking pina coladas and laughing at his supporters. He'll throw an occassional bone to the masses so they can shut the hell up. Meanwhile, the fringe left in countries that have never been under a "socialist utopia" will give the rest of the sane populations a headache with their blather.

Elementary my dear Watson.
 

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Thanks "I Think Not," that's what I thought was going on here. South America as a whole has major problems, and this only adds to them I'm sure. It's ridiculous how ignorant some humans are these days, ridiculous and sad.
 

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Yeah, it is silly how some people forget that not maybe 20 years ago Latin America was run by right-wing murderous dictatorships, tht didn't even give anything to their people. Just relied on the military to kill any opposition left right and center.

Maybe Chavez isn't perfect, and he and other leftist leaders are just a stepping stone to a better life which is a lot better than what it was under U.S CIA supported nations not too long ago.

For example, Chile, For example Cuba, for example Guatamala. And the list goes on and on and on.
 

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Jersay said:
Yeah, it is silly how some people forget that not maybe 20 years ago Latin America was run by right-wing murderous dictatorships, tht didn't even give anything to their people. Just relied on the military to kill any opposition left right and center.

Maybe Chavez isn't perfect, and he and other leftist leaders are just a stepping stone to a better life which is a lot better than what it was under U.S CIA supported nations not too long ago.

For example, Chile, For example Cuba, for example Guatamala. And the list goes on and on and on.

You are missing about 15 years of history here. It's not one big leap forward from dictatorships to Chavez.

At present Chavez is simply promoting reforms that have pretty predictable outcomes. He is breaking up haciendas and promising those who worked on them land. Look at the Mexican Revolution. Over 80 years of land reforms and today the peasants have no land.

Subsidies for beans, rice and fuel. Again the model is Mexico. What happens if the price of oil falls and the subsidies are too expensive to maintain? They get cut as they did in Mexico and the victims are the poor who are dependent on subsidies.

Parades and Anti-Americanism are simply diversions that are popular but they should not be confused with development. This is particularly true if they are covering up human rights abuses. Venezuela did not win a seat on the Human Rights Council. This was the verdict of the United Nations body and so people internationally are not being fooled by the anti-Americanism.

Chavez could be fostering real development and promoting institutional changes that would benefit the poor long term but he is doing neither. He is squandering a golden opportunity.
 

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HonestAbe said:
Yeah, I'll admit, I don't know much about this whole topic, but I assume that by Hugo doing this, it is probably not a good deal. In addition, if every country in the world did this, it most definitely wouldn't be a good deal.

Whenever a government raises the taxes on something, the thing that is taxed raises its prices. As such, I don't see how this can be good. If you don't mind breaking this down elementary style, I would appreciate it.

Why if every country in the world did this would it be bad?
Taxes pay for medicare, police, roads, armys, etc;

Chavez has decided to tax the companys fairly for the public oil , he can then pay for services for the people, like schools, hospitals etc;

If your government taxed your beloved rich and set up proper medicare for Americans you could get the operation you need. :lol:
 

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HonestAbe said:
Thanks "I Think Not," that's what I thought was going on here. South America as a whole has major problems, and this only adds to them I'm sure. It's ridiculous how ignorant some humans are these days, ridiculous and sad.

South America had major problems which are well on there way to being fixed, thier American infestation has almost been wiped out.
And you sure are right about the sad state of ignorant humans that live in America, thier ridiculous and armed to the teeth. :lol:
 

cortezzz

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EagleSmack said:
When it is a government like Venuzuela they can do no wrong.

Venezuela, China, Iran... all A-OK in there book.

Screw the environment... a Commie is in charge.

thats absolutely correct
sometimes a lttle toughness and leadership is required to bring about the defeat of exploitative capitalism

we can do no wrong
and you can do no right
untill you become part of latin america
circa 2050

lets leave it at that
and get to work