Depleted Uranium-Far Worse Than 9/11

#juan

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Depleted Uranium-Far Worse Than 9/11
Douglas Westerman
In 1979, depleted uranium (DU) particles escaped from the National Lead Industries factory near Albany, N.Y.,which was manufacturing DU weapons for the U.S military. The particles traveled 26 miles and were discovered in a laboratory filter by Dr. Leonard Dietz, a nuclear physicist. This discovery led to a shut down of the factory in 1980, for releasing morethan 0.85 pounds of DU dust into the atmosphere every month, and involved a cleanup of contaminated ! properties costing over 100 million dollars. Imagine a far worse scenario. Terrorists acquire a million pounds of the deadly dust and scatter it in populated areas throughout the U.S. Hundreds of children report symptoms. Many acquire cancer and leukemia, suffering an early and painful death. Huge increases in severe birth defects are reported. Oncologists are overwhelmed. Soccer fields, sand lots and parks, traditional play areas for kids, are no longer safe. People lose their most basic freedom, the ability to go outside and safely breathe. Sounds worse than 9/11? Welcome to Iraq and Afghanistan...

An interesting point about this little story is that a hundred million dollars was spent on the clean up of a few pounds of DU dust in the U.S., and yet tons of this toxic poison was dropped on Iraq, and Afghanistan. The danger to The people of these countries, as well as U.S. soldiers and their allies is incredible.

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After having read that article, I would think that there would be thorough inquiries into whether or not those who commanded the use of depleted uranium had any idea of the long-term consequences of its use, and if so, whether or not any sort of action would be taken as a result. I think that the use of agents such as depleted uranium is inappropriate, notwithstanding whichever side of a conflict from which it originates.
 

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DU has at least two unfortunate properties.

1. It is cheap. The U.S. has millions of tons of the stuff.(by-product of building atomic bombs)

2. Projectiles made of DU go through armour plate like it was butter. It is almost twice as dense as lead.

Just those two properties make DU extremely addictive to military people who are loath to give up such an effective weapon against armour even though it is a toxic, radioactive, substance with a half-life of billions of years.
 

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In the aftermath of 9/11 this whole area of Lower Manhattan was exposed to god knows what, which still today has thousands of people who still live and work there. That doesn't include the thousands of people who were exposed when the Towers Collapserd. An NYPD Detective recently died from working at Ground Zero as whatever he was exposed to caused Cancer I believe it was.
 

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#juan said:
Five

DU has at least two unfortunate properties.

1. It is cheap. The U.S. has millions of tons of the stuff.(by-product of building atomic bombs)

It's an ingredient of building bombs, the DU is imported from Canada. And Canada is a leading exporter of DU.
 

#juan

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ITN

This topic is not about oil!
 

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#juan said:
ITN

This topic is not about oil!

I copied and pasted the opening statement of the article you posted. That shows the credibility of this article. Did you read it?
 

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I think not, you have a terrible habit of attempting to quash debate on threads by picking out select passages and barraging the membership with that passage, in particular. Perhaps we should discuss the topic of this thread instead?
 

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FiveParadox said:
I think not, you have a terrible habit of attempting to quash debate on threads by picking out select passages and barraging the membership with that passage, in particular. Perhaps we should discuss the topic of this thread instead?

Well sorry Five if you don't pick up everything you read, or just swallow it as documentary evidence, I would say that's a terrible habit you have, not me. What credibility will you attach to the entire article when they make idiotic claims Vietnam was another oil war?
 

#juan

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DU is mainly U 238

DU is what is left when almost all the U 235 has been extracted. What comes from Canada,(to our shame) is uranium ore. THe tons of this toxic material dropped on Iraq and Afghanitan will be radioactive when our sun is dead.
 

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I read that passage, and I was skeptical, just as I would suggest that you are (and rightly so — the oil claims sometimes become a bit too much). However, the remainder of the article makes some interesting arguments, and whether or not the intervention in the Socialist Republic of Vietnam was related in any way to oil, that doesn't mean that the use of depleted uranium is justified, or not justified, on the basis of that one passage.

The topic is depleted uranium.
 

#juan

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ITN

If "oil" was all you got out of that article, you need a remedial reading course.
 

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#juan said:
ITN

If "oil" was all you got out of that article, you need a remedial reading course.

I needed that when I was a member of the fringe left, I don't require that anymore. I learned how the insert unverifiable data that permeates as fact all over the place. Since they cannot confirm Vietnam was for oiil, I bet you can't confirm the rest, so I am not taking this article seriously, but you go right ahead and do so.
 

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That's quite immature, I think not.

Being skeptical of one of the facts presented in an article is not tantamount to discounting the entirety of the content therein. I wonder if you continued to read after that particular passage, or if you simply assumed that the entire thing was false?
 

#juan

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Leuren Moret is a well respected, world class, American scientist

Her credentials are impeccable.

Who are you to criticize her?

You by-pass the fact that thousands of Americans are dead and dying and pick out some minor point about oil in an attempt to hijack yet another topic.
 

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#juan said:
Leuren Moret is a well respected, world class, American scientist

Her credentials are impeccable.

Who are you to criticize her?

You by-pass the fact that thousands of Americans are dead and dying and pick out some minor point about oil in an attempt to hijack yet another topic.

Her credentials are geology and art #juan, she is a self proclaimed "expert" in matters of DU. I have a bachelors degree in Political Science, can I fill in your cavity for you?

And I never hijack any topic, and I am not doing so now. The reference to oil was in your article.
 

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I think not said:
#juan said:
Five

DU has at least two unfortunate properties.

1. It is cheap. The U.S. has millions of tons of the stuff.(by-product of building atomic bombs)

It's an ingredient of building bombs, the DU is imported from Canada. And Canada is a leading exporter of DU.



That wouldnt surprise me, we sold agent orange to united states during vietnam war.
 

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Ahem

Leuren Moret is a self-proclaimed international expert on the health and environmental effects of depleted uranium who has worked at two U.S. nuclear weapons laboratories.

She earned her Bachelor of Science in Geology at University of California, Davis in 1968, and her Master of Arts in Near Eastern Studies from University of California, Berkeley in 1978. She has not yet completed her dissertation for a PhD in the Geosciences at Davis. In fact, U.C. Davis says she is no longer an active student in their graduate program. She has been trained on radiation issues by a former Manhattan Project scientist. Moret's claims on depleted uranium are not taken seriously by the mainstream scientific community.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuren_Moret

The fringe left is at it again.
 

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#juan said:
ITN

This topic is not about oil!

I copied and pasted the opening statement of the article you posted. That shows the credibility of this article. Did you read it?


Come on ITN, you arent well place to talk about credibility of articles, remember when you brought the non-sense article on" bagdad safer than any american city ""?