Was America responsible for Timor violencethat killed 3 U.N

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The UN has released details of a dramatic final email sent by one of its workers in West Timor just hours before he was hacked to death by rampaging pro-Indonesian militiamen.
The message, written by American Carlos Caceres, one of three UN staff to be killed, sheds new light on the build up to the attack.



I just heard someone on the radio saying that they are praying for us

Carlos Caceres
"We sit here like bait, unarmed," he wrote in the message sent to a friend at the office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) in the Macedonian city of Skopje.

"The militias are on the way, and I am sure they will do their best to demolish this office...

"These guys act without thinking and can kill a human being as easily (and painlessly) as I kill mosquitoes in my room," the message continued.

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We are waiting for the enemy

Carlos Caceres
Mr Caceres told his friend the militiaman whose death on Tuesday is believed to have sparked the attack was "the head of one of the most notorious and criminal militia groups of East Timor.

"I was in the office when the news came out that a wave of violence would soon pound Atambua ... we sent most of the staff home, rushing to safety.

"I just heard someone on the radio saying that they are praying for us."

He went on: "You should see this office ... plywood on the windows, staff peering out through the openings in the curtains hastily installed a few minutes ago. We are waiting for the enemy."

Final words

Mr Caceres ended his message saying he was due to start a three-week trip out of Atambua on Thursday.

"I just hope I will be able to leave tomorrow", he said.

The message was read aloud to a meeting of the UN Security Council on Wednesday by the High Commissioner for Refugees, Sadako Ogata.

"They were all profoundly moved," said UNHCR spokeswoman Robin Groves.

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The UN says the future of humanitarian operations in West Timor, where three UN staff were killed by pro-Jakarta militia gangs on Wednesday, depends on Indonesian security forces.
The UN refugee agency, UNHCR, said it would resume its activities there only when it had received safety assurances from the Indonesian military command.

The UN's administrator in East Timor, Sergio Vieira de Mello, said the best hope for the tens of thousands of refugees trapped in West Timor was for the province to be saturated with fresh troops from other parts of Indonesia.

A few hundred extra troops and police did arrive in West Timor as the evacuation of all the UN's foreign aid workers reached completion.

Nearly 100 have been airlifted to safety in Bali.



This is the worst security incident that the UNHCR has faced

Sadako Ogato
The evacuees had been providing relief to about 100,000 East Timorese refugees living in camps in the province since the run-up to East Timor's independence vote last year.

Attack

On Wednesday, the UN office in Atambua was attacked by militiamen opposed to independence for East Timor, who blame the UN for what they believe was a corrupt referendum there last year.



At the Millennium Summit in New York, UN High Commissioner for Refugees Sadako Ogata, joined other representatives in condemning the attack.

"Our office was burnt, they went around man-hunting - looking for international staff to attack," she said. "It was a very, very barbaric act perpetrated by the militia elements."

She also revealed that one of the murdered staff had sent an e-mail warning that a mob was en route to destroy his compound.

"We sit here like bait, unarmed," wrote Puerto Rican Carlos Caceres.

"These guys act without thinking and can kill a human being as easily (and painlessly) as I kill mosquitoes in my room," he said in the message.

"I just hope I will be able to leave tomorrow," he had added.

Lives in danger

A UN spokesman said the evacuees had travelled from their office in Kupang to the airport in a heavily guarded convoy with soldiers and police lining the roads.



Nearly 100,000 refugees have not yet returned to East Timor

He said it was possible that aid workers would never return and that this would be the end of the UN operation in West Timor.

As well as Carlos Caseras, the dead have been identified as Ethiopian Samson Aregahegn and Bosnian Pero Simundza.

Hacked to death

The agency's chief spokesman in Geneva, Ron Redmond, told BBC News Online that the violence began shortly after the funeral procession for a militia leader passed by the UN compound.



The mishap was triggered by the uncontrollable emotional distress of the people

President Abdurrahman Wahid
As relief workers rushed to escape the mob over a fence at the rear, the three staff who died were trapped in the radio room trying to contact colleagues in Dili.

They were hacked to death with machetes by militiamen who then poured gasoline over them and burned their bodies.

Mr Redmond said many of those who survived were hidden by local staff in their homes around Atambua. They were then driven through the town to meet the evacuation helicopters.

Responsibility

Indonesia said the killings resulted from the "uncontrollable emotional distress" of people over the death of Olivia Mendosa Moruk, an anti-independence leader.



The militias use home-made weapons to deadly effect

The security forces searched for the perpetrators of the murders but said arrests were unlikely.

"How can we arrest 2,000 armed militiamen? Does the country have to bear the responsibility?" an army sergeant in Atambua told journalists.

At no time did the military intervene to prevent the attack, according to UN officials.

More than 600 people died and more than 200,000 fled into West Timor following the 1999 referendum, when the militias rampaged through East Timor, with the alleged connivance of Indonesian officers.

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http://www.copi.com/articles/etimorus.html
 

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Jersay said:
The UN has released details of a dramatic final email sent by one of its workers in West Timor just hours before he was hacked to death by rampaging pro-Indonesian militiamen.
The message, written by American Carlos Caceres, one of three UN staff to be killed, sheds new light on the build up to the attack.



I just heard someone on the radio saying that they are praying for us

Carlos Caceres
"We sit here like bait, unarmed," he wrote in the message sent to a friend at the office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) in the Macedonian city of Skopje.

"The militias are on the way, and I am sure they will do their best to demolish this office...

"These guys act without thinking and can kill a human being as easily (and painlessly) as I kill mosquitoes in my room," the message continued.

Criminal gang



We are waiting for the enemy

Carlos Caceres
Mr Caceres told his friend the militiaman whose death on Tuesday is believed to have sparked the attack was "the head of one of the most notorious and criminal militia groups of East Timor.

"I was in the office when the news came out that a wave of violence would soon pound Atambua ... we sent most of the staff home, rushing to safety.

"I just heard someone on the radio saying that they are praying for us."

He went on: "You should see this office ... plywood on the windows, staff peering out through the openings in the curtains hastily installed a few minutes ago. We are waiting for the enemy."

Final words

Mr Caceres ended his message saying he was due to start a three-week trip out of Atambua on Thursday.

"I just hope I will be able to leave tomorrow", he said.

The message was read aloud to a meeting of the UN Security Council on Wednesday by the High Commissioner for Refugees, Sadako Ogata.

"They were all profoundly moved," said UNHCR spokeswoman Robin Groves.

Link

The UN says the future of humanitarian operations in West Timor, where three UN staff were killed by pro-Jakarta militia gangs on Wednesday, depends on Indonesian security forces.
The UN refugee agency, UNHCR, said it would resume its activities there only when it had received safety assurances from the Indonesian military command.

The UN's administrator in East Timor, Sergio Vieira de Mello, said the best hope for the tens of thousands of refugees trapped in West Timor was for the province to be saturated with fresh troops from other parts of Indonesia.

A few hundred extra troops and police did arrive in West Timor as the evacuation of all the UN's foreign aid workers reached completion.

Nearly 100 have been airlifted to safety in Bali.



This is the worst security incident that the UNHCR has faced

Sadako Ogato
The evacuees had been providing relief to about 100,000 East Timorese refugees living in camps in the province since the run-up to East Timor's independence vote last year.

Attack

On Wednesday, the UN office in Atambua was attacked by militiamen opposed to independence for East Timor, who blame the UN for what they believe was a corrupt referendum there last year.



At the Millennium Summit in New York, UN High Commissioner for Refugees Sadako Ogata, joined other representatives in condemning the attack.

"Our office was burnt, they went around man-hunting - looking for international staff to attack," she said. "It was a very, very barbaric act perpetrated by the militia elements."

She also revealed that one of the murdered staff had sent an e-mail warning that a mob was en route to destroy his compound.

"We sit here like bait, unarmed," wrote Puerto Rican Carlos Caceres.

"These guys act without thinking and can kill a human being as easily (and painlessly) as I kill mosquitoes in my room," he said in the message.

"I just hope I will be able to leave tomorrow," he had added.

Lives in danger

A UN spokesman said the evacuees had travelled from their office in Kupang to the airport in a heavily guarded convoy with soldiers and police lining the roads.



Nearly 100,000 refugees have not yet returned to East Timor

He said it was possible that aid workers would never return and that this would be the end of the UN operation in West Timor.

As well as Carlos Caseras, the dead have been identified as Ethiopian Samson Aregahegn and Bosnian Pero Simundza.

Hacked to death

The agency's chief spokesman in Geneva, Ron Redmond, told BBC News Online that the violence began shortly after the funeral procession for a militia leader passed by the UN compound.



The mishap was triggered by the uncontrollable emotional distress of the people

President Abdurrahman Wahid
As relief workers rushed to escape the mob over a fence at the rear, the three staff who died were trapped in the radio room trying to contact colleagues in Dili.

They were hacked to death with machetes by militiamen who then poured gasoline over them and burned their bodies.

Mr Redmond said many of those who survived were hidden by local staff in their homes around Atambua. They were then driven through the town to meet the evacuation helicopters.

Responsibility

Indonesia said the killings resulted from the "uncontrollable emotional distress" of people over the death of Olivia Mendosa Moruk, an anti-independence leader.



The militias use home-made weapons to deadly effect

The security forces searched for the perpetrators of the murders but said arrests were unlikely.

"How can we arrest 2,000 armed militiamen? Does the country have to bear the responsibility?" an army sergeant in Atambua told journalists.

At no time did the military intervene to prevent the attack, according to UN officials.

More than 600 people died and more than 200,000 fled into West Timor following the 1999 referendum, when the militias rampaged through East Timor, with the alleged connivance of Indonesian officers.

Link

http://www.copi.com/articles/etimorus.html

Now, I understand that the obsession you guys have with the "Great Satan" leads you to believe the Americans are at fault for everything from asthma to xenophobia, but please, please explain how they are responsible for this.
 

Jersay

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Re: Was America responsible for Timor violencethat killed 3

For systematic support of the Indonesian regime as they systematically killed hundreds of thousands of Timor citizens. The Americans knew what was going on, and they provided arms to the Indonesian government in their brutal attack against Timor citizens, which directly resulted in the arms falling into the hands into the militiamen who then butchered these brave men as they were there to help.
 

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I'll go out on a limb here and suggest the ones who actually murdered those people are responsible for their murders.
 

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Tracy.
There is no need for common sense here! Please exercise some restraint! 8)
Australians in East Timor
The Australian-led multinational force in East Timor, Interfet, began landing on 20 September 1999. The troops' first task was to secure the airport and the port. Over the next few days they extended their control over the capital, Dili, before moving into the countryside.

Everywhere the soldiers could see signs of the destruction wreaked by pro-Indonesian militia. At first there were few local people: most had fled to the hills for safety. As the situation improved, the population steadily returned. The Indonesian army, with which relationships were at times strained, completed its withdrawal in late October. The militia which had terrorised the civilian population generally kept quiet, unwilling to engage a well-armed military force.

Apart from Dili, the Australians operated especially in the border area with West Timor and in the Oecussi enclave, patrolling constantly to ensure that the militia could do no further harm.

Interfet was highly successful in creating conditions in which the East Timorese people could begin to rebuild. In February 2000, responsibility for security was handed over to a United Nations operation, with which many Australian troops are still serving.
Typical the coalition of willing did the grunt work before the UN would do anything.
 

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Zoofer

Ron White revisited! Ohhhhhhh lord save me....
 

tracy

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Sorry Zoof, I forget that sometimes... OK, yes it's all America's fault, just like the fact that I stubbed my toe walking to the pills this morning. I'm sure Bush had something to do with it...
 

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Jersay said:
For systematic support of the Indonesian regime as they systematically killed hundreds of thousands of Timor citizens. The Americans knew what was going on, and they provided arms to the Indonesian government in their brutal attack against Timor citizens, which directly resulted in the arms falling into the hands into the militiamen who then butchered these brave men as they were there to help.

So you would consider Canada at fault as well.........as Canada also
provided "systematic support of the Indonesian regime as they systematically killed hundreds of thousands of Timor citizens."?
 

Jersay

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Re: Was America responsible for Timor violencethat killed 3

No it is Clintons' and Regan's fault. Clinton even tried not to accept the results of the referendum that granted East Timor a country. And Reagan and his people, including Donald Rumsfield supplied arms to the Indonesian military in their attempts at genocide of the East Timorese people and indirectly the 3 U.N aid workers.