Anti-Americanism is madness, says Blair.

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Blair: anti-Americanism is madness

Matthew Tempest and agencies
Monday March 27, 2006


Tony Blair today described anti-Americanism across Europe as "madness", although admitted the US could be a "difficult friend to have".

In a speech in the Australian parliament overshadowed by his remarks about making a "mistake" in announcing his retirement early, the prime minister paid tribute to the Australians for joining in the "global struggle" against terror, likening it to their joining the war against the Nazis.

And Mr Blair reminded his audience that he spent three years of his childhood, aged two to five, living in Adelaide, and that the country was the inspiration for his "Britain is a young country" speech early in his premiership.

Last night's speech to the Canberra parliament was the second in a series of three billed by Downing Street as major setting out of foreign policy thinking. The third will be in Indonesia, where the PM travels next.

Mr Blair told the Australian House of Representatives: "I do not always agree with the US. Sometimes they can be difficult friends to have.

"But the strain of, frankly, anti-American feeling in parts of European and world politics is madness when set against the long-term interests of the world we believe in.

"The danger with America today is not that they are too much involved. The danger is they decide to pull up the drawbridge and disengage. We need them involved. We want them engaged."

Mr Blair staunchly defended his policy on Iraq - which Australia's conservative PM John Howard supported - saying: "If the going gets tough, we tough it out."

And he repeated his call for a global struggle of ideas and values against the worldwide threat of Islamic terrorism, stressing the importance of international alliances. He also used the speech to signal a fresh bid to revive the Middle East peace process after the Israeli elections on April 9 - an issue he is expected to tackle in America next month.

"The reality is that none of the problems that press in on us can be resolved or even contemplated without them.

"Our task is to ensure that with them we do not limit the agenda to security. If our security lies in our values, and our values are about justice and fairness as well as freedom from fear, then the agenda must be more than security and the alliance include more than America."

He added: "Once the Israeli election has taken place, we must redouble our efforts to find a way to the only solution that works - a secure state of Israel and a viable, independent Palestinian state."

Mr Blair again stressed his belief that democracy and human rights should not be assigned as western values, saying: "To win we have to win the battle of valued as much as arms, we have to show these are not western still less American or Anglo-Saxon values, but values in the common ownership of humanity, universal values that should be the right of the global citizen - this is the challenge.

"Ranged against us are the people who hate us, but beyond them are many more who don't hate us but question our motives, our good faith, our even-handedness, who could support our values but believe we support them selectively.

"These are the people we have to persuade.

"They have to know this is about justice and fairness as well as security and prosperity. And in truth, there is no prosperity without security and no security without justice.

"That is the consequence of an interconnected world - that is why we cannot say we are an open society and close our markets to the trade justice the poorest of the world demand."

On Iraq, Mr Blair told the parliament: "I know the Iraq war split this nation as it did mine, and I have never disrespected those who disagreed with me over it."

But he warned: "We must not hesitate in the face of a battle utterly decisive in whether the values we believe in triumph or fail.

"If the going is tough, we tough it out. This is not a time to walk away. This is a time for the courage to see it through."

Before addressing the parliament, Mr Blair was welcomed to the Australian capital with a 19-gun salute and inspected a guard of honour outside the legislature.

Later, the prime minister, accompanied by Mr Howard, was going on to lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Australian Soldier and visit an exhibition commemorating the Australian contribution to the world wars.

Tomorrow he will have official talks with Mr Howard, before the two host a joint press conference.

guardian.co.uk
 

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""The danger with America today is not that they are too much involved. The danger is they decide to pull up the drawbridge and disengage. We need them involved. We want them engaged."


Well said, Mr. Blair.
 

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Mr Blair and Mr Howard are both bum boils

Tony the Pony Blair said
"But the strain of, frankly, anti-American feeling in parts of European and world politics is madness when set against the long-term interests of the world we believe in."

The problem with this moronic statement is (the world we believe in) he has what, selected some make believe vision of a world he and his fictional God have discussed rather than face the reality of a world that is not dependent on the whims of his flimsy born again and again white magic. He laments the strain of anti-american feelings when set against the long term interests of the world he believes in, while the real world (RW) world laments the strain of pro-american feelings which perenially lead to the elimination of the long term interests of hundreds of thousands of real people, not just the fictional characters Mr Blair has faith in.
 

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Bush did what he had to do to win US elections. Part of his strategy was to show his strength by defying the world. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out Bush's PR campaign would not be popular outside of America.
 

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Blair: anti-Americanism is madness

Matthew Tempest and agencies
Monday March 27, 2006


Tony Blair today described anti-Americanism across Europe as "madness", although admitted the US could be a "difficult friend to have".


Blair just doesnt understand what is the difference beetween criticize american foreign policy with their retarded governement, and anti-american, but for UK and USA, it seems to be normal and very well accepted to be entirely anti-french, not critics, but just hatred, you know what i mean, hey blackleaf??
 

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RE: Anti-Americanism is m

Excellent point and possibly the most annoying thing about folks screaming at "anti americanism" like it's the western form of terrorism...
I have a LOT of friends who are US citizens, and they are all good...

I have a big problem when I read "factual assesments" like the ones Tony Blair posits in that article... I used this analogy on a prominently US site and got blown out for it, but it is apt....

If I go out to a bar and a good buddy of mine gets really ,really drunk and starts calling on the whole place without ANY sane rationalization, I will try my best to keep the crap from hitting the fan, naturally, but if my friend is DETERMINED to get the piss beaten out of them, and then blame ME for not getting my face smashed in too (not like it would happen, I fear no man or beast except tiny spiders anyways and hitting my face will only hurt a persons hand) I would tell them exactly where to go... I would NOT "hate" the person, but if I was expected to look sympathetically on the beating they BEGGED for then that person is a fool and not one I have a problem telling so, past history or not

It IS odd that hating France and everything it produces/does is so in vogue whereas, as Blair made clear(and so many Bush admin apologists), even just making observations like "what the US is attempting to accomplish is ridiculous, likely impossible and contingent upon SO many falsehoods, and may in fact be the worst idea that country has ever come up with and our counmtry MUST NOT have any part in it, even tacit approval" make a person somehow become some sort of maniac, communist, whatever the "talking point insult" of the day is

kinda drives a thinking man CRAZY either way

I would rather the grand US military imperialist adventure TOTALLY fail, if only for my friends in the US.. fail SO BADLY that some serious reconsideration may even be required, than I would somehow pretend to support it- no hatred required, I don't hate stupid people, I just don't really "support" them (and the "stupid person" in this case is the whole US Admin currently)
 

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Hating France seems to be more of an internal French problem. I mean who's burning what down in France?

The problem seems to be people have no problem relating to people smashing 747's into world trade buildings or making up stories that GWB did it. Is anyone suggesting Chirac started the riots and the fires?
 

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Jay said:
Hating France seems to be more of an internal French problem. I mean who's burning what down in France?

The problem seems to be people have no problem relating to people smashing 747's into world trade buildings or making up stories that GWB did it.

Peoples in france were really sad, when 9-11 happened, just in case you forgot, nobody made up story about bush doing it, they just look at the facts.


Jay said:
Is anyone suggesting Chirac started the riots and the fires?

Good point, i wouldnt even be surprise at all.
 

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Jay said:
Hating France seems to be more of an internal French problem. I mean who's burning what down in France?

The problem seems to be people have no problem relating to people smashing 747's into world trade buildings or making up stories that GWB did it. Is anyone suggesting Chirac started the riots and the fires?

Who cares about France they're not bombing the snot out of anybody, if they want to burn and trash France, that perfectly O/K it's thier country.
 

darkbeaver

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Jay said:
Hating France seems to be more of an internal French problem. I mean who's burning what down in France?

The problem seems to be people have no problem relating to people smashing 747's into world trade buildings or making up stories that GWB did it. Is anyone suggesting Chirac started the riots and the fires?

Who cares about France they're not bombing the snot out of anybody, if they want to burn and trash France, that perfectly O/K it's thier country. And like good civilized people thier getting thier shit together in thier own backyard before they try to fix someone elses.
 

Jay

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I care about France, why wouldn't I?

They are involved in this.

"Recalling that France has been involved in the anti-terror war in Afghanistan since its beginning in late 2001 when French special forces were deployed in northern Afghan city of Mazer-i-sharif, Thorette said his country will continue to support the peace and stability in the country."

http://english.people.com.cn/200306/24/eng20030624_118783.shtml
 

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Blair is self righteous bush licking retard
the PERFIDIOUS dribble that comes out of his hypocritical mouth can be summarily dismissed... his continental counterparts can more accurately percieve the situation--- in part becuase they dont have those anglo-saxon blinders on
 

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Toro said:
Well said Mr. Blair.

"Anti-Americanism" isn't disagreeing, even vehemently, against the policy of Iraq. Its seeing America as the prime source of evil, be it foreign policy or corporations.

America runs the planet don't it, if the planets phucked up who do we blame, Uranus,or Myanus.
 

darkbeaver

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Anglo saxon blue eyed hypocritcal baby brain sucking democraps are rotten bastards for sure, I don't trust them for a minute and I know what I'm talking about cuzz I is one. Soon as we move into your nieghbourhood we're telling you all about the God thing, next we're growing bananas on your house and drilling holes in your backyard.
 

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I am neither Anglo Saxon, nor bue eyed, certainly not hypocritical and quite sure my brain is developed beyond a baby's, however I have been known to suck on the occassional Democrap nipple.