Afghan Christian may get death

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KABUL, Afghanistan - An Afghan man is being prosecuted in a Kabul court and could be sentenced to death on a charge of converting from Islam to Christianity, a crime under this country's Islamic laws, a judge said Sunday.


The trial is believed to be the first of its kind in Afghanistan and highlights a struggle between religious conservatives and reformists over what shape Islam should take here four years after the ouster of the Islamic fundamentalist Taliban regime.

The defendant, 41-yer-old Abdul Rahman, was arrested last month after his family accused him of becoming a Christian, Judge Ansarullah Mawlavezada told The Associated Press in an interview. Rahman was charged with rejecting Islam and his trial started Thursday.

During the one-day hearing, the defendant confessed that he converted from Islam to Christianity 16 years ago while working as a medical aid worker for an international Christian group helping Afghan refugees in the Pakistani city of Peshawar, Mawlavezada said.

"We are not against any particular religion in the world. But in Afghanistan, this sort of thing is against the law," the judge said. "It is an attack on Islam."

Mawlavezada said he would rule on the case within two months.

Afghanistan's constitution is based on Shariah law, which is interpreted by many Muslims to require that any Muslim who rejects Islam be sentenced to death, said Ahmad Fahim Hakim, deputy chairman of the state-sponsored Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission.

Repeated attempts to interview Rahman in detention were barred.

The prosecutor, Abdul Wasi, said he had offered to drop the charges if Rahman converted back to Islam, but he refused.

"He would have been forgiven if he changed back. But he said he was a Christian and would always remain one," Wasi told AP. "We are Muslims and becoming a Christian is against our laws. He must get the death penalty."

After being an aid worker for four years in Pakistan, Rahman moved to Germany for nine years, his father, Abdul Manan, said outside his Kabul home.

Rahman returned to Afghanistan in 2002 and tried to gain custody of his two daughters, now aged 13 and 14, who had been living with their grandparents their whole lives, the father said. A custody battle ensued and the matter was taken to the police.

During questioning, it emerged that Rahman was a Christian and was carrying a Bible. He was immediately arrested and charged, the father said.

Afghanistan is a conservative Islamic country. Some 99 percent of its 28 million people are Muslim, and the remainder are mainly Hindu.

A Christian aid worker in Kabul, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter, said there was no reliable figure for the number of Christians, though it was believed to be only in the dozens or low hundreds. He said few admit their faith because of fear of retribution and there are no known Afghan churches.

An old house in a war-wrecked suburb of Kabul serves as a Christian place of worship for expatriates. From the muddy street, the building looks like any other. Its guard, Abdul Wahid, said no Afghans go there.

The only other churches are believed to be inside foreign embassies or on bases belonging to the U.S.-led coalition or a NATO peacekeeping force.

Hakim, the human rights advocate, said the case would attract widespread attention in Afghanistan and could be exploited by Muslim conservatives to rally opposition to reformists who are trying to moderate how the religion is practiced here.

"The reformists are trying to bring about positive changes," he said. "This case could be fertile ground for extremists to manipulate things."

Muslim clerics still hold considerable power in Afghanistan, especially in rural areas where most women wear all-encompassing burqas and are dominated by men.

Hakim said that if Rahman was acquitted, it would be a propaganda win for the Taliban rebels, who have stepped up their insurgency in the past year.

In the months before U.S.-led troops ousted the Taliban in 2001, it claimed Western aid groups were trying to convert Afghan Muslims. They arrested eight foreign aid workers for allegedly preaching Christianity, but later released them unharmed.

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FiveParadox

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An interesting situation. I sincerely hope that a way can be found in which Mr. Rahman can be acquitted, while preventing the Taliban from seizing the court victory as anti-reformist propaganda. I would hate to be that judge.
 

Jersay

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Yeah, but I do believe the man will be executed. I am surprised a foreign nation, maybe America or Britain or Canada hasn't offered to take him and his daughters so that the Afghan government can maintain their laws and he is allowed to live.
 

FiveParadox

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I think it is time for me to send an e-mail to the Prime Minister of Canada.

Sure, it might not get past his secretary before I get a "Thank you for contacting the Government of Canada! You are a valuable citizen, and...", but I hate feeling like I can't do anything. :(
 

Mogz

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RE: Afghan Christian may

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I am surprised a foreign nation, maybe America or Britain or Canada hasn't offered to take him and his daughters so that the Afghan government can maintain their laws and he is allowed to live.

That isn't out place to interfer with their customs. While it is barbaric, that's their law. If we helped this one, we'd have to help every other one that follows.

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I think it is time for me to send an e-mail to the Prime Minister of Canada.

He has no sway over Afghan law. While our Forces are there to aid that nation, we cannot dictate their code of laws to them. Even if Harper wanted to do anything, he can't.
 

FiveParadox

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I know that, Mogz.

However, I have articulated my views to the Right Honourable Stephen Harper, P.C., M.P., inquiring as to whether or not there is anything that can be done in relation to this situation. I dislike interfering with other nations, and I doubt that Canada is going to do any such thing, but I thought I would talk to him about my concerns nonetheless. If he even reads them anyway, lol.
 

FiveParadox

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Heh, I am going to need it — not only would he not act on my advice, lol (I would not expect him to, though), but I have reservations as to whether or not he's ever going to read my e-mail. :)
 

FiveParadox

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I mentioned that I had never been a particularly conservative Canadian, but proceded to congratulate him for having won the election and being selected as prime minister — do you think that was perhaps a bad idea? Haha. I might have had better luck with:

Dear Prime Minister:

I love you. I think you are so God-damned sexy.

I contribute $100 000 to the Conservative Party each year.

Did I mention that I think you're sexy?

By the way, about this Afghanistan business...
 

Jay

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""We are not against any particular religion in the world. But in Afghanistan, this sort of thing is against the law," the judge said. "It is an attack on Islam."


I guess 1 guy turning his back on Islam is an "attack on Islam"

It's such a peaceful, loving religion....and its followers are like the salt of the earth!
 

orpheus

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RE: Afghan Christian may

It's such a peaceful, loving religion....and its followers are like the salt of the earth!

I know! And those republicans, so peace loving! And in Israel, I've never seen such compassion! Religion is the greatest thing ever to have happened!

I would like to draw attention to the fact that religion in itself is not inherently violent. However, in the hands of certain people it can be used as a weapon. I would have thought that obvious, Jay. But if you make sarcastic comments like that it appears that you have not yet completed your basic education.
 

Jay

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First of all don't bother lecturing me on religion. I'm rather familiar with it thanks, and I doubt you are.

Secondly...

Oh really...people who make sarcastic statements didn't complete their basic education, eh?

Well Mr. Scholastic...just when did they teach you that little bit of BS? I bet you just dreamed it up now because you're trolling....or were you being sarcastic?
 

orpheus

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First of all don't bother lecturing me on religion. I'm rather familiar with it thanks, and I doubt you are.

Actually, I'm quite familiar with religion thanks.

Oh really...people who make sarcastic statements didn't complete their basic education, eh?

Well Mr. Scholastic...just when did they teach you that little bit of BS? I bet you just dreamed it up now because you're trolling....or were you being sarcastic?

You misunderstood me. I said, "but if you make sarcastic comments like that ... Sarcasm has nothing to do with basic education. It's the statement you made with sarcasm.
 

mabudon

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RE: Afghan Christian may

I just find it kinda odd that when it comes to parts of the culture such as women wearing the Burkah (sorry I'm sure that's spelled wrong to someone) it is a reason to get in there and give the country a big ol' shot of freedom...

Now that we're IN there and effectively "sponsoring" the current "government (sorry for all the quote marks but somehow I can't avoid 'em) it s a "part of the culture" that we must somehow "respect"

Which one is it, do we gotta show "them" the way it is to be done, and fix the percieved injustices, stop the crimes against humanity ( as we see them) , or do we write our differences up to "gotta respect the culture"??? I think that's the crux of this discussion, and now I'm REALLY confused- how can this be tolerable yet women wearing Burkahs be enough to go to actual WAR over???
 

orpheus

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RE: Afghan Christian may

How about we let the women decide what they want...
I've talked to women who honestly feel wearing the burka is the right thing. I've seen Afghan refugees come here and discard it. There is going to be diversity in opinion. How about we let the women decide...there might be an idea.